TacDoc
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96 RT, where are the mounting points for the crotch belts? If no points exist, how are others attaching them.
Greg
Greg
Attaching 5 point belts???
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Viper Wizard
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There're built into the floor!
You'll have to cut the carpet to gain access to them!
You'll have to cut the carpet to gain access to them!
Tom F&L GoR
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Aaaack. On my '94, the threaded hole is forward of the bottom seat cushion. This won't do anything for holding you in the seat, nor is it something you want to slide into if you slip under the lap belts during a collision.
The safe way is to find/create/construct a mounting point behind the seat (I used the rear seat mounts) to attach the 5th belt to, and pass the belt up between the first (closest to engine) and second seat bottom cushion sections. You need not cut the leather material, only the stitching holding the leather sections together.
If this doesn't make sense, send email, I'll send you an image of what it looks like.
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The safe way is to find/create/construct a mounting point behind the seat (I used the rear seat mounts) to attach the 5th belt to, and pass the belt up between the first (closest to engine) and second seat bottom cushion sections. You need not cut the leather material, only the stitching holding the leather sections together.
If this doesn't make sense, send email, I'll send you an image of what it looks like.
<FONT COLOR="red">IMAGE ADDED by Vipermad on 14 Oct.</FONT c>
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"five point forward mounting hole to far front" - in general the proper seat position, especially for the track is such that you are in close proximity to the steering wheel, almost no extension of arms. This position initially feels awkward and unnatural. I'm six foot and this position has the seat at its forward stop, thus, the five point factory forward mounting hole is in the correct position - one persons opinion.
Henry Cone
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Greg, as others have mentioned there is an anchor point built into the floor. You can probe with a sharp object like a pin to find it.
The better solution is 6 points instead of 5 points. They hold you in place much better in a stock seat. The 5 points are fine wiht a race seat but 6 points are much better if you sre using the stock seat.
The TeamTech 6 points that we use fasten the anti-submarine strap at the same eye bolts that are used for the waist belts. Thus installing the 6 points is actually easier than the 5 points as you don't have to worry about mounting an eyebolt for the 5 points' single anti submarine strap.
We started with 5 points and TeamTech suggested that we try the 6 points instead. We think that the 6 points are worlds better than the 5 points. TeamTech rewebbed our anti-submarine straps to make the change.
The better solution is 6 points instead of 5 points. They hold you in place much better in a stock seat. The 5 points are fine wiht a race seat but 6 points are much better if you sre using the stock seat.
The TeamTech 6 points that we use fasten the anti-submarine strap at the same eye bolts that are used for the waist belts. Thus installing the 6 points is actually easier than the 5 points as you don't have to worry about mounting an eyebolt for the 5 points' single anti submarine strap.
We started with 5 points and TeamTech suggested that we try the 6 points instead. We think that the 6 points are worlds better than the 5 points. TeamTech rewebbed our anti-submarine straps to make the change.
Andrew2KRT10
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This may turn out to be as big as my brake question. I know I have a 2000, but I am told that they are the same. I found it best and quickest to lift the rug, which is easy after you take off the back panel, and reach in and feel for the threaded hole. I actually just lifted the rug all the way and saw the threaded hole. Then I poked in from the other side.
This is an easy job. I also ended up cutting into the back panel. Lots of guys make a big deal about cutting into the back panel. After the seat is back, you can see anything anyway. It's really an easy job. Took me about two hours soup to nuts.
One major suggestion: When drilling through the back bulkhead to expose the threaded holes (on my car there were two dimples that indicated the holes), I would not drill!!! It would be very easy to catch the bit with the drill and slam right into your threads. If you can, get a dremel and carefully grind out a hole only 1/4"-5/16" into the bulkhead at those dimples. Then you'll see the rubber-like patch that covers the holes and once you tear that off you'll see the holes and the threads will stay nice and clean.
Good luck
Andrew
This is an easy job. I also ended up cutting into the back panel. Lots of guys make a big deal about cutting into the back panel. After the seat is back, you can see anything anyway. It's really an easy job. Took me about two hours soup to nuts.
One major suggestion: When drilling through the back bulkhead to expose the threaded holes (on my car there were two dimples that indicated the holes), I would not drill!!! It would be very easy to catch the bit with the drill and slam right into your threads. If you can, get a dremel and carefully grind out a hole only 1/4"-5/16" into the bulkhead at those dimples. Then you'll see the rubber-like patch that covers the holes and once you tear that off you'll see the holes and the threads will stay nice and clean.
Good luck
Andrew
Andrew2KRT10
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By the way. I have 5 point team tech, ran the car at Watkins Glen two weeks ago, I have a stock seat, and if I was held in any tighter I would have had a baby. So if you already have a 5 point, I'd use it.
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TacDoc
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Any pictures of this threaded hole in the floor, better yet about many cm forward of the front mount bolts for the seat. I took the passenger set out, cut a slit in the carpet and lifted it to look but see nothing. I am hesitant to make a huge hole to look in.
Greg
Greg
TacDoc
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Thanks Tom, I will look again tonight after work.
Tom F&L GoR
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Thanks for posting the image, Tony.
TacDoc, the threaded hole for the fifth belt should be in the same raised channel that the seat legs bolt to; obviously it's in the middle and facing forward. Maybe your is covered with tape or paint?
The image Tony posted shows the belt coming through my seat cushion. The bottom end attaches to a bar; each end of the bar is held to the floor by the same bolts holding the rear seat legs to the floor. Many seat belt studies show that the belts should be horizontal; that seems to be common knowledge for the shoulder belts. Also applies to crotch belt, you want the support in the opposite direction of impact. Further, you want it tight before you hit, so having the crotch belt aimed down, such as it would be if you attach it to the stock threaded hole on the floor, means you have to slide forward before it tightens up; that would.... hurt.
TacDoc, the threaded hole for the fifth belt should be in the same raised channel that the seat legs bolt to; obviously it's in the middle and facing forward. Maybe your is covered with tape or paint?
The image Tony posted shows the belt coming through my seat cushion. The bottom end attaches to a bar; each end of the bar is held to the floor by the same bolts holding the rear seat legs to the floor. Many seat belt studies show that the belts should be horizontal; that seems to be common knowledge for the shoulder belts. Also applies to crotch belt, you want the support in the opposite direction of impact. Further, you want it tight before you hit, so having the crotch belt aimed down, such as it would be if you attach it to the stock threaded hole on the floor, means you have to slide forward before it tightens up; that would.... hurt.
