Dyno results for the '94 RT/10 & '96 GTS with the exact same mods, Borla headers, ...

Sean Roe

Supporting Vendor
Supporting Vendor
Joined
Sep 19, 2000
Posts
1,714
Reaction score
0
Location
Jacksonville, FL
Dyno results for the \'94 RT/10 & \'96 GTS with the exact same mods, Borla headers, ...

Hi Everyone,

As many of you know, I'm big into facts and results. Not much of one to attempt to muddy the waters or create a lot of unwarranted hype. I would like to share with you the results of my dyno testing of easy to install "horsepower" parts. The numbers shown will be the SAE corrected peak numbers at the rear wheels with a smoothing factor of 3 on the dyno-jet software (reduces highs, raises lows and makes for a smoother graph). Many times the peak numbers do not truly reflect the differences elsewhere in the actual dyno pulls, but everyone likes to see those peak numbers, so...
You must be registered for see images


Car #1, 1994 RT/10 (gen 1 engine):

Power Modifications: stock engine with S&B filters, smooth tubes, VEC1, our side exhaust upgrade (Borla XR-1 mufflers with round high flow cats). 402 HP, 477 Torque.

Power Modifications: same as above with Borla #17112, 1.5" primary tube headers which have 2.5" collectors, 2.5" oval high flow cats. 408 HP, 487 Torque .

Power Modifications: same as original except with Borla #17113 1.620" primary tube headers which have 3" collectors, replace cats with 3" high flow oval cats. 414 HP, 492 Torque .

Car # 2, 1996 GTS (gen 2 engine).

Power modifications: none 394 HP, 447 Torque .

Power Modifications: S&B filter, smooth tubes, VEC1, high flow 2.5" oval cats, Borla cat back with optional second set of mufflers at back, Borla #17112 (1.5"/2.5") headers. 444 HP, 478 Torque .

Power Modifications: Same as above except Borla # 17113 headers and 3" high flow oval cats. 452 HP, 490 Torque .

Additionally, each car has an aluminum flywheel, which didn't seem to make any difference in dyno power readings, but does make the car funner to drive in the low gears (especially effective on the RT/10).

These were all easy to install items (except the flywheel, which can be a bit time consuming). It only took about 2.5 hours to remove the original exhaust manifolds and install the headers on each car. The headers and cat back exhausts all fitted up just fine.

With the exception of the flywheel, the total cost of these items is less than some sets of Viper headers by themselves and yielded great results. We plan to make a nice package based on our results as the cars are both far more powerful (at part throttle driving and full throttle), sound better and are just plain more enjoyable to drive.

Thems the facts, take care all,
 

Sniper

Enthusiast
Joined
May 2, 2001
Posts
956
Reaction score
23
Location
Viper City, Iowa
Re: Dyno results for the \'94 RT/10 & \'96 GTS with the exact same mods, Borla headers, ...

Sean, I remember you saying that the 17112's should be better for the 94, but you didn't put the high flow cats on it, why? Would this bump the horsepower and torque up more? And with the flywheel on wouldn't that help to make a faster time 0-60 and the 1/4 mile since you're ripping through gears faster?
 
OP
OP
S

Sean Roe

Supporting Vendor
Supporting Vendor
Joined
Sep 19, 2000
Posts
1,714
Reaction score
0
Location
Jacksonville, FL
Re: Dyno results for the \'94 RT/10 & \'96 GTS with the exact same mods, Borla headers, ...

Well, I "thought" the 17112's would have been better, but in fact, the peaks were lower. Up until about 4500RPM, the horsepower graphs were neck and neck between the 17112's and 17113's on the RT/10. After that, the 17113's came on a little stronger / longer. The RT/10 did have the 2.5" oval cats on it with the 17112's (still on the car). I'll correct that in the post now.
 

LTHL VPR

Enthusiast
Joined
Oct 29, 2000
Posts
621
Reaction score
0
Re: Dyno results for the \'94 RT/10 & \'96 GTS with the exact same mods, Borla headers, ...

Sean-
GOOD WORK! These are the types of facts everyone likes to see. Will you be posting the dyno runs?
What about your post yesterday regarding changing the intake on the GTS to dyno today? Are there intake modifications on the GTS?
Tnx.
 
OP
OP
S

Sean Roe

Supporting Vendor
Supporting Vendor
Joined
Sep 19, 2000
Posts
1,714
Reaction score
0
Location
Jacksonville, FL
Re: Dyno results for the \'94 RT/10 & \'96 GTS with the exact same mods, Borla headers, ...

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LTHL VPR:
Sean-
GOOD WORK! These are the types of facts everyone likes to see. Will you be posting the dyno runs?
What about your post yesterday regarding changing the intake on the GTS to dyno today? Are there intake modifications on the GTS?
Tnx.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can scan the graphs and put them in the dyno section, but it will be a day or two. I was dyno testing and swapping parts on Tuesday, Wednesday and today. My workload has piled up and I have to dig back out some first
You must be registered for see images


Regarding the intake mod, I did that on Tuesday's dyno test and I won't be posting those results. The motor didn't like the changes we tried AT ALL. But, sometimes finding out what doesn't work is just as important as finding out what does. In our case, we may try the opposite. Maybe we'll pick up horsepower instead of loosing it. I'm not saying how much we lost or what we tried
You must be registered for see images

The intake is back to stock now and was for today's exhaust test.
 

Sniper

Enthusiast
Joined
May 2, 2001
Posts
956
Reaction score
23
Location
Viper City, Iowa
Re: Dyno results for the \'94 RT/10 & \'96 GTS with the exact same mods, Borla headers, ...

Sean, do you know if the flywheel will help reduce times? And keep us posted on "the package deal!"

Thanks!
 
OP
OP
S

Sean Roe

Supporting Vendor
Supporting Vendor
Joined
Sep 19, 2000
Posts
1,714
Reaction score
0
Location
Jacksonville, FL
Re: Dyno results for the \'94 RT/10 & \'96 GTS with the exact same mods, Borla headers, ...

Hi Matt,
Didn't mean to ignore your question about the aluminum flywheels. I can tell you that the cars both accelerate a ton harder in the lower gears. What the impact may be on 0-60 times, I haven't tested. Traction will be a factor.

If any Viper owner is in the Jacksonville, FL area, stop on by and we'll go for a ride.
 

Mike L

Viper Owner
Joined
Mar 18, 2001
Posts
68
Reaction score
0
Location
FL
Re: Dyno results for the \'94 RT/10 & \'96 GTS with the exact same mods, Borla headers, ...

Sean, if you remember, I am the one who has storage next to your shop. To make a long story short, over one year ago you introduced me to the VCA web site and gave me Viper fever! I have been religiously reading all of the posts and have learned an incredible amount. I now have a contract to sell one of my businesses and if all goes as planned I will be in the market for a '96 or '97 GTS. I enjoy reading about all of your progress and can't wait to tinker on my own car one day.

P.S. You passed me on the Buckman Bridge today - looked awesome! is your car at stock ride height?
 

LTHL VPR

Enthusiast
Joined
Oct 29, 2000
Posts
621
Reaction score
0
Re: Dyno results for the \'94 RT/10 & \'96 GTS with the exact same mods, Borla headers, ...

Sean-
Until you post the graphs, any chance on providing a comparison of a few data points on the runs. For example: I am really interested in seeing how the 112s compared to the 113s at 2000 rpms, 3000 rpms, 4k rpms,etc.. up to 6k rpms.

In addition, did you change the VEC-1 settings between header swaps or was everything else the same?

Any idea on how much the increase in high flow cat size (from 2 1/2" to 3") effected the numbers.
Thanks!
You'll be hearing from me tomorrow about ordering the headers....
 

TOOOFST

Enthusiast
Joined
Apr 5, 2001
Posts
1,599
Reaction score
0
Location
Barrington,il
Re: Dyno results for the \'94 RT/10 & \'96 GTS with the exact same mods, Borla headers, ...

Not Intended to bust balls but.How fast will you go with those packages?Will you guarantee that more horsepower will lower your ET with the stock tires?Whats the point of kicking it up a notch for a stock tire street car,for drivability and safety.I'm the example here,out of 40 cars last week at Rt.66 IVCA day,I had the second fastest time of 12.34 @385rwhp.,with 12.40-6 all day. I will get the car 11.99 with a couple minor mods and still have a factory warrenty.Granted i'm as good as it gets,only cost me 1mil.or so at NHRA tracks running S/SG for 15+yrs.My point again is owners(not all) are laying out big $$$ for HP.,without lower Elapsed Times,HELLLO
You must be registered for see images
 

TOOOFST

Enthusiast
Joined
Apr 5, 2001
Posts
1,599
Reaction score
0
Location
Barrington,il
Re: Dyno results for the \'94 RT/10 & \'96 GTS with the exact same mods, Borla headers, ...

Thats true Sean,A guy might want to race a haya busa from 60 to 160,you'll need it all to get close.With respect to the true muscle car itself,its only good business for these parts co.s to do a little track testing.When you pull up next to a zo6 or such,you don't ask to pull over to the nearest DYNO.I'd like to get my car to 11.99 and still have my warrenty.Haven't had a straight answer from any tuner that has done it.I believe tires are my next purchase,not gears,flyweel,headers ect.
You must be registered for see images
 
OP
OP
S

Sean Roe

Supporting Vendor
Supporting Vendor
Joined
Sep 19, 2000
Posts
1,714
Reaction score
0
Location
Jacksonville, FL
Re: Dyno results for the \'94 RT/10 & \'96 GTS with the exact same mods, Borla headers, ...

TOOFST brings up a very valid point and it's the same reason I do dyno, street and track (road course) testing of all our products. People want / need to know what to expect from their changes.

When I had the RT/10 at the dyno on Wednesday, some of the other guys at the custom turbo shop (hint, hint) were going to Gainesville for test and tune night. I seriously considered going, as it would be good to have 1/4 mile numbers for people to compare them to. Unfortunately, I have not drag raced either of these cars in stock trim and don't know what they did before. Also, I'm not a drag racer and may get someone else to drive the cars to get the best numbers. Don't look for this to happen right away though.

LTHL,
Here you go: (all numbers rounded to closest whole number)
Car/headers - 3K RPM HP/TQ - 4K RPM HP/TQ - 5K RPM HP/TQ
RT10/cast man. -- 255/447 -- 356/457 -- 400/420
RT10/17112 -- 262/459 -- 366/480 -- 402/420*
RT10/17113 -- 262/459 -- 371/487 -- 414/434

* the RT/10 started surging upon leaving the dyno. At our shop, I found that the throttle cables had slipped /gone out of synch and the engine was not getting full throttle during the dyno pull.

Car/headers -3.5K RPM HP/TQ - 4.5K RPM HP/TQ - 5.5K RPM HP/TQ
GTS/all stock -- 284/425 -- 375/438 -- 393/374
GTS/ 17112 -- 308/462 -- 409/478 -- 440/420
GTS/ 17113 -- 320/481 -- 409/475 -- 450/430

**note that these two tests were performed on two different dynos.

Each car needed minor adjustmants with the calibrator to optimize power from the exhaust combinations.

Mike,
Glad to hear you may finally become "one of us"
You must be registered for see images
.
The car is lowered.
 

Latest posts

Forum statistics

Threads
153,647
Posts
1,685,255
Members
18,228
Latest member
Toby52
Top