Fuel additive...Ethanol?

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I filled up a couple of days ago at a filling station that gets their fuel from Koch Industries. I filled up with the 93 Octane Research Plus Motor (R+M)/2, which uses Ethanol as an oxegenator, instead of the now banned MTBE...This particular blend I think is 10-15% Ethanol...any pro's or con's to running this type of fuel...

Con...check engine light

Pro...much raspier exhaust while down shifting!
 

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A corn fed viper! I wouldn't worry too much, since around the 1980's manufacturers have been making automobiles compatible with ethanol fuels. Your manual should list/state what the acceptable alternative fuels are and what percentages are ok.

I know that any car produced today in America can run on a 10% ethanol gas mix. Ethanol also has a higher octane rating; 113.

It is also good for winter, as it can absorb and carry any moisture in suspension out of the fuel system as it is used.

your fuel efficiency will drop about 2%.
 

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As AKViper says, US cars can run ethanol fine. Washington and Oregon have had ethanol blended gasoline for a while due to state tax advantages. Regards of component (ethanol, MTBE, ETBE, etc) the target is an oxygen content of 2.7% (I believe) in the finished fuel; this is to lean out the fuel-air mixture during warm-up when the engine is in open-loop (or when the choke is on.) Your volumetric miles per "gallon" should theoretically drop by the oxygen content since the oxygen doesn't provide energy.

While it does pick up water (a good thing) it is also good at picking up other things (rust, scale, dead leaves and bugs) from your gas tank and the service station tank. Critical period is when you or the service station first switches as most of the "cleaning out" is done quickly. If you have any fuel issues, you might want to replace fuel filters first.

Ethanol also has a high latent heat of vaporization. That is why it feels "cold" on your skin - it is taking heat from your body to turn into a vapor. Ethanol does the same in your engine, it takes heat from the intake charge. In a fully warmed up engine, this may allow a denser mixture to get into the combustion chamber. In an engine still warming up, it may cause a little stumble or hesitation, since the fuel doesn't vaporize as well. Not so much a problem with fuel injected engines, but very noticeable in carbureted engines.
 
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tom, F&L GoR:
In an engine still warming up, it may cause a little stumble or hesitation, since the fuel doesn't vaporize as well.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

YES! I did notice this, slight hesitation until the big V10 had warmed.
 

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Ethanol has a lower heating value per gallon than gasoline (less energy) but as has been said, better octane number. This would allow more timing advance (if the JTEC would do it) and better charge density to make up for loss of HV.

The problem with the tax advantage given to ethanol is that it is was dreamed up to make it cost-competitive with MTBE. MTBE is now in the process of being banned across the country, so ethanol is the oxygenate of choice and no longer needs a tax incentive to increase its use.

2.5 cents/gallon of the reduced tax (10.2 cents/gal) on ethanol blend goes into the General Fund, instead of being dedicated to the Highway Trust Fund like gasoline and diesel (18.4 and 20 cents/gal, respectively), so there are fewer $ ending up in the HTF to maintain and expand the Federal Aid highway system.
 

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Dean, the fuel marketers will blend to the same 92 (or whatever premium was) finished fuel octane as before, so the higher octane ethanol will be blended with even lower octane gasoline. We won't see any octane benefit at the pump.
 

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Gerald,
I would not worry.
All good info already posted.
Check your owners manual:
Under starting and operating (Selecting fuel)it says you are OK.
It also cautions DO NOT use gasolines containing METHANOL!
 

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