Viperfreak2
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Jumped me off the line real bad, but I started reeling him in and the end MPH was only 7 different. It was a Lingenfelter(sp) stage 3, whatever that means. I need some drag tires. What's cheap that'll fit an SRT?
Got beat by a Vette...
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Big Medicine
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that means he spent 30k and has some serious depth on the go pedal.....no need to hang your head on that one.
FASTRNU
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A Lingenfelter Stage III would have some serious horsepower because that is some serious mods the guy had. If you did even minor mods to your SRT 10 you probably would have equaled or beat him.
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Viperfreak2
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I would have been about even with the ability to give ANY rev's off the line. As it is (at this track) I can't even go 2000 rpms without massive wheelspin. I just let off the clutch at idle and ease into the throttle. Then second gear breaks loose if I'm not careful. On the street I can run consistent 7.6 1/8 mile times at 93 mph (G-tech pro). At this track I run 8.3 @ 89 mph. Two guys in the stands were laughing and pointing at me as I drove back to the staging area. Hmmmm, two losers who still live with mommy and daddy laughing at a guy who paid 85K for a car.....and lost to a vette. No matter, but I do want revenge. Let the mods commence! GenIII RoeSC has a nice rhyme to it.
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Am I reading this right???You have a [stock?] SRT10 and you were reeling in a stage III Vette???...This is ovbiously not a TT stage 3 Vette were talking about right??....Or is it a stage III NA package??...The only modded SRT I know of that can mess with a stage 3tt, barely, is the new "H"SRT that traps in the 133mph range.And that will not reel in a Stage 3 tt which I think traps in the mid 140's. What did you do to your SRT??NAWZ?
Russ M
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Me too.
Considering this person is not a VCA member I figured its probably someone trying to get a flame war going.
Viperfreak2
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I didn't really look closely at the engine on the vette, but from 30ft it looked nice, not a stock piece to be seen. Full roll cage, wing, lowered, street slicks, big hole where the front plate goes etc. Someone told me it was a stage 3. It's kinda hard to judge what it would have done in the 1/4, cause it's only an 1/8 mile track. Like I said, he jumped me off the line about 3 car lengths! by the end of the 1/8, I was within 2. Maybe he just shut it down earlier than me, but I bumped my rev limiter just before crossing the line so I lost a couple tenths. I think you guys are probably right, maybe it's not a stage 3. I'll ask next time I see him.
Viperfreak2
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Like I said, the owner didn't say what he had, a group of guys in the staging lanes told me. By the way, this was a C4 Lingenfelter, maybe a 90-92 model. Does that make a difference? Did the earlier cars make less power than the latest stageIII's? I don't remember reading about sub 11 sec 1/4 mile times on the C4's no matter who did what to the engine.
That makes a huge difference. An LPE C4 would be a 383-396 cu in motor with ported heads, a cam , etc... John Myrick's 88 LPE car would run some 11.80's pretty easily.
A stage III C5 is normally considered a 427TT. Basically a 9 second car.
Your 1/8 mile times of 8.3 translate to a 13.031 in the quarter unless your car is making huge power on the big end.
Your 7.6 on G-tech translates to 11.932.
A stage III C5 is normally considered a 427TT. Basically a 9 second car.
Your 1/8 mile times of 8.3 translate to a 13.031 in the quarter unless your car is making huge power on the big end.
Your 7.6 on G-tech translates to 11.932.
Viperfreak2
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11.9 sounds right. The car is so slippery (on street tires) at this particular track, the first second is spent trying to keep the car from spinning. It's good to know the earlier LPE's are 11.8 cars. Since the SRT is capable (on a reasonable surface) of running 11.7, I think I could reel this guy in the 1/4. In the 1/8th mile, without slicks......
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You cant leave anything out when you are tellin any tales of conquests or almost hads...Theres a night and day difference between a stage 3 C4 and a Stage 3 C5...The difference would have been etched in your phyche and your forehead had it been a Stage 3 C5 
If it had been a C5 S3 your post would have been essentially: *** just happened Did I shift out of first gear? Am I still spinning? Do I need awd???
If it had been a C5 S3 your post would have been essentially: *** just happened
Did I shift out of first gear? Am I still spinning? Do I need awd??? Mopar
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If it had been a C5 S3 your post would have been essentially: *** just happened
I agree, there is a local couple w/ a '02 Stage II C5 convertible and he's making 700hp out of that turboed 383ci. Pop the hood and everything looks factory, the turbos are underneth the engine and are tucked away nicely. The only way to know if it's a turbo is if you race him or he spools them up.
By the way, the Stage III C5 is running high 8's (8.95@153mph) in the 1/4 these days. Even a stage II would have killed you. All that means is that it's Mod time.
CHAD
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Let's be fair. The Stage III you guys are talking about that runs 8's is a DRAG CAR. It has a specially prepped AUTOMATIC, a big power upgrade kit that adds as much cost as a regular Stage III costs and drag wheels and tires (it is a $175-200k car). Personally, I have seen a 735hp tubbed Stage III Vette run high 12's on MPS's.
That much power is up to the driver to put the power to the ground. And in a Vette, it is very difficult. I sold my Z06 because it is IMPOSSIBLE to run 10's in a Vette with street tires. That is also why I am lurking on the Viper board, as many Vipers have broken the barrier on Pilots.
Chad
That much power is up to the driver to put the power to the ground. And in a Vette, it is very difficult. I sold my Z06 because it is IMPOSSIBLE to run 10's in a Vette with street tires. That is also why I am lurking on the Viper board, as many Vipers have broken the barrier on Pilots.
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Badasp, even a stage 2 with stock 6speed would have killed him...There is nothing "fair" about a TT Vette vs a stock SRT10...Mod the SRT and it a whole different game.....
Mopar
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While I don't deny the the LPE Stage III is set up for drag racing it's not an all out race car either. It has full interior, a/c, and gets 20mpg. As far as being $175K-$200K, your figures are a bit off. The Stage III kits costs LESS than $50K. So you figure a a C5 Vette + $48K and some change and there is your 8 second car with slicks for less than $100K.
Here is the link to the Stage III package. -> http://www.lingenfelter.com/pac725ttls1y.asp
I have seen a '97 GTS run a 15.7 @ sea level, doesn't mean they all run those times.
As far as a "Tubbed" Stage III, there are less than 10 cars on the road and I'm not aware of any that are "tubbed".
Not trying to doubt your driving skills but LPE states their Stage III car runs 9.50 @ 145 MPH with street tires. With slicks the car ran 8.95@153mph. With a reputation as valid as their's, there is no reason to doubt the times.
"The proof is in the pudding."
CHAD
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What I was saying is that the Stage III that ran the 8 is a one-of-a-kind car that was built for drag racing and was heavily upgraded from a standard Stage III kit. And yes, they spent more than 100k on power alone. Then they switched the car to an automatic, modified the suspension, etc.
There are many more than 10 of these cars built. You'd have to ask LPE or 21st Century Muscle Cars how many. I'm willing to bet that every Stage III that has been built was also tubbed. This means that they enlarge the wheel wells to run 12" wide rear wheels and normally the 345/30-19 MPS's.
No C5 Vette has ever been in the 10's on street tires. They may mean ET Street type street tires but not Pilots.
Chad
There are many more than 10 of these cars built. You'd have to ask LPE or 21st Century Muscle Cars how many. I'm willing to bet that every Stage III that has been built was also tubbed. This means that they enlarge the wheel wells to run 12" wide rear wheels and normally the 345/30-19 MPS's.
No C5 Vette has ever been in the 10's on street tires. They may mean ET Street type street tires but not Pilots.
Chad
Less than $50k isn't a bad price. A C5 that can run 9.5 secs for less than $100k sounds amazing. So I followed the link above and I don't think the price includes labor charges... "Prices shown do not include labor for installation. Please consult your LPE sales representative for installation costs." Than I saw the labor charges...
Lingenfelter Performance Engineering, Inc.
2003 Lingenfelter Performance Engineering, Inc. - Labor Rates
Support Labor 58.00/hour
Assembler 74.00/hour
Machinist - manually operated mill or lathe 72.00/hour
3-axis CNC vertical machining center 100.00/hour
5-axis CNC vertical machining center 120.00/hour
Fabrication/welding 82.00/hour
Senior Technician 74.00/hour
Project Engineer 90.00/hour
"Normal installation time required: 4-5 weeks with prior notification."
If this is the case,the less than $100k can jump to about $120k or higher! OUCH!
Mopar
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I'm not certain I could be wrong (happens from time to time
) but I think that package includes installation. The reason I think this is because under the package listing it says:Package includes:
Two true ball bearing turbochargers
Two high efficiency air to air chargecoolers
Custom molded Samco silicone air ducts
4 into 1 custom cast exhaust manifolds
Two cast turbo outlet adapters
Turbocharger scavenge pump
Turbo oil drain reservoir
Two K&N 360 degree conical air filters
Heat shields and stainless clamps
Professional installation, testing and tuning
Turbocharger water feed and return hoses
Turbocharger oil feed and return hoses
Gaskets, spark plugs and fluids
Custom 7.0 L aluminum C5R block
CNC Porting and polishing of LS1 cylinder heads
Port matched LS6 intake manifold
Billet steel connecting rods
Forged 4340 crankshaft
Forged aluminum pistons
LPE custom hydraulic roller camshaft
High performance valve springs & lightweight retainers
Stainless steel one piece heavy duty intake valves
Inconel one piece heavy duty exhaust valves
Three angle valve job, checking of spring tensions & heights
Computer balanced rotating assembly
Reassembly and blueprinting of engine
Properly sized fuel injectors and high capacity fuel system
GHL stainless steel exhaust system
Professional installation, testing and PCM recalibration
LPE's 2 year / 24,000 mile warranty
1997-2003 Corvette LS1 & LS6 package prices
Manual transmission $49,995.00 $48,995.00 sale price
Automatic transmission upgrade $2,595.00
In bold it say the package inclusdes installation.
I'll have to ask some of the guys I know who have had work done at LPE.Mopar
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I just talked to a friend of mine who had the 383ci package installed and he said the price DOES include labor and installation.
I just talked to a friend of mine who had the 383ci package installed and he said the price DOES include labor and installation.
Thanks Mopar, that's a great price for the power. I was curious because the Labor rates are listed and broken down...ASSEMBLER $74.00/per hour,ect.
Another question, LPE gives you a 2 year warranty on the ENGINE but does this work kill any factory warrany and extended warranty you have with a new Vette? I'd hate to give LPE a brand new C5, pay about $100k and find that GM will void the new car warranty and never fix anything. Just curious, thanks for your info Mopar.
Another question, LPE gives you a 2 year warranty on the ENGINE but does this work kill any factory warrany and extended warranty you have with a new Vette? I'd hate to give LPE a brand new C5, pay about $100k and find that GM will void the new car warranty and never fix anything. Just curious, thanks for your info Mopar.
Just to set a few things straight. The 8 sec car has over 110k in motor upgrades alone. The standard 427 TT is just under 50k but to upgrade that to the stage II 427 TT you will need another 60k. It did have a automatic drag racing tranny installed and was running on slicks and skinnies.
Most of the 427 TTs have a mini tub and are running 345s and there are C5s that have run 10s with street tires.
Most of the 427 TTs have a mini tub and are running 345s and there are C5s that have run 10s with street tires.
John Myrick
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Well there you go bursting my bubble. I thought the latest test of my modded SRT-10 may have been the first normally aspirated, 10 second street tire run. I know there are faster cars, but it seemed like all the faster cars never even bother to try and run on street tires. I guess I can always narrow down the details until I get to a first.
Here goes... First true street tire, normally aspirated, pump gas, full tank of gas, 6 speed, 3.07 rear gear, convertible with a scratch on the left front fender, matching floor mats, trunk carpet, and high flow catalytic coverters, 10 second quarter mile. How's that for bragging rights.
Bill, can you post some details of the 10 second street tire C5's? And by street tires, no drag radials or cheater slicks, just real street tires. Did you guys run your MTI car on street tires? What times and MPH have cars similar to yours run on real street tires with and without nitrous?
Here goes... First true street tire, normally aspirated, pump gas, full tank of gas, 6 speed, 3.07 rear gear, convertible with a scratch on the left front fender, matching floor mats, trunk carpet, and high flow catalytic coverters, 10 second quarter mile. How's that for bragging rights.
Bill, can you post some details of the 10 second street tire C5's? And by street tires, no drag radials or cheater slicks, just real street tires. Did you guys run your MTI car on street tires? What times and MPH have cars similar to yours run on real street tires with and without nitrous?
CHAD
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I'm interested too, Bill. What C5 has run a 10 on Michelins?
The only cars I have heard of that have run a 10 second quarter on Michelins are a supercharged Viper and a couple nitrous Vipers.
Either way, John, congrats on quite an accomplishment.
Chad
The only cars I have heard of that have run a 10 second quarter on Michelins are a supercharged Viper and a couple nitrous Vipers.
Either way, John, congrats on quite an accomplishment.
Chad
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Im speechless...To put things into perspective, anyone know how much the 8 sec Viper "engine" cost??? Its gotta be in that neighborhood...Similar threads
