redtanrt10
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3 GTS-R's on EBAY this morning, #'s 33,70,72. Is the world coming to an end??
GTS-R Sale??
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snampro
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I think the world is coming to an end when people think a normal VIPER with a wing, different paint, a slight tweak to the engine, and some other small changes is worth so much more than a regular VIPER.
agentf1
Enthusiast
I agree. I actually hate the look of the wing, very ricey. I am sure it is functional and that is the only reason why I would have such an eye sore on my vehicle.
Same with the ACR's, all it is is shocks/suspension tweaks, smooth tubes, race belts and some stickers. I agree the numbers are low but I hear a lot of people saying how awful they ride.
No offense at all to any of the owners. I realize this is why they make salt and pepper but I am a very vanilla kind of guy when it comes to wings and colors etc...
SSSSE YA
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DC only made one hundred of the GTS-2. I would love to own one or two of them. 
Paul S Lacey
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So the Le Man and Daytona race cars are ricey???
The GTS/R was only built to remember three wins at Le Mans and the FIA championship only 100 made only time they used white on a GTS and the only time they fitted wings spoilers and splitters.
If thats not special then I give up !!
Auction houses are making great money on 1970's cars that they built hundreds or thousands of.
I appreciate its just peoples opinion, but time will tell who is right.
The GTS/R was only built to remember three wins at Le Mans and the FIA championship only 100 made only time they used white on a GTS and the only time they fitted wings spoilers and splitters.
If thats not special then I give up !!
Auction houses are making great money on 1970's cars that they built hundreds or thousands of.
I appreciate its just peoples opinion, but time will tell who is right.
snampro
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I just don't buy into the whole "only made 100" BS. Its an arbitrary number.
This is the one thing worse in the VIPER community than the Vette, the whole my car is special because they made less of my color.
I don't think the GTS-R is ricey.
Now, the additional cost for a Comp Coupe is rational because it is a truely different car with different capabilities.
This is the one thing worse in the VIPER community than the Vette, the whole my car is special because they made less of my color.
I don't think the GTS-R is ricey.
Now, the additional cost for a Comp Coupe is rational because it is a truely different car with different capabilities.
harley56
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Your opinion is extremely valid! At the same time a run of 100 that are numbered and already has a strong following is worth something to collectors. The GT2 has proven to be a very sought after model in the Viper community and as long as demand exceeds supply they will bring a premium, regardless of any one individuals view.
snampro
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yeah, to each his own, just not for me.
not that any VIPER is uncool, because I like them all (2003-2006 SRT-10 'vert not included)...
not that any VIPER is uncool, because I like them all (2003-2006 SRT-10 'vert not included)...
ViperJames
Enthusiast
I think it is just coincidence. We could go a year not seeing even one on there. It is all just timing I believe.
agentf1
Enthusiast
Ricey might have been a little harsh. But the wing definitely is not my taste. As I said, that is why they make salt and pepper. IMHO the wing is meant for the track, not the street.
treed
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I think it's just getting to be spring and that's traditionally going into the season where sports cars demand the most money...
I personally feel the biggest difference between a 1 of 10 mopar from back in the 60's/70's versus 1 of 100 GTS-R today is that back in the day Detroit made those cars rare because of special "engine" options, not just fancy paint schemes like you see today. The GTS-R is worth a "premium" because it does have a unique paint scheme, but in the end it's the same motor that you got with a non-GTS-R in 1998. So, they are probably worth a "little" more, but right now it's just speculators keeping the price high. The true savy collector is looking for rare motor optioned cars when it comes to muscle cars. But, as was stated previously, it's all supply and demand and as long as there is demand for the GTS-R, the price will stay high... I think they are very cool, btw...
snampro
Enthusiast
treed: exactly, old cars were special because of significant differences
Lee00blacksilverGTS
Enthusiast
Old cars are ALSO special because of paint options. Price a 67 Black Corvette sometime, regardless of engine. Only 815 were made and they are currently reproducing like bunnies due to demand.
Having the right (original) color on an old Vette has now become such a big deal that a whole book has been produced just to id fake trim tags. Gotta use a magnifying glass and look for the correct scratch marks the original machine made. Thosusand pictures in the damn book, it bent my brain looking at it.
Point being, if they are trying to fake a rare color that bad it must make a difference. And it will down the road for our cars. Rarity and originality, that's what collectors want, and that's why those GTS'R cars sell for maore than any other GTS.
Having the right (original) color on an old Vette has now become such a big deal that a whole book has been produced just to id fake trim tags. Gotta use a magnifying glass and look for the correct scratch marks the original machine made. Thosusand pictures in the damn book, it bent my brain looking at it.
Point being, if they are trying to fake a rare color that bad it must make a difference. And it will down the road for our cars. Rarity and originality, that's what collectors want, and that's why those GTS'R cars sell for maore than any other GTS.
BoeingMan
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#70:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-Vip...100457925QQrdZ1
#72:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-Vip...1QQcmdZViewItem
Can't seem to find #33 as of yet.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-Vip...100457925QQrdZ1
#72:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-Vip...1QQcmdZViewItem
Can't seem to find #33 as of yet.
C O D Y
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Non of them met the reserve....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...p;rd=1&rd=1
These cars are so much more than what it closed at.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...p;rd=1&rd=1
These cars are so much more than what it closed at.
Les Quam
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Jon B,
Right on target as always!!!
It's easy looking back on the GTS-Rs now to diminish how hard it was to actually produce these cars. And the camera with the assembly pictures, car covers,lithographs, autographed pictures of the drivers etc. was a very nice gesture by Dodge.
The one off parts are irreplaceable. Wait until 20 years from now and people are trying to restore GTS-Rs and trying to find original parts??? Like Cody says many GTS-Rs are garage queens put away for the next guy. However I also have seen over the years many modified, damaged, repainted and relatively high mile GTS-Rs. I remember at Viper days a while back a guy was racing and enjoying the heck out of his new GTS-R and it was heavily modified.
Time also seems to diminish that a few years before Dodge won with the team Oreca Vipers it was bankrupt and the thought of Dodge or any American manufacturer winning the titles the GTS-R did was unheard of. But not only did Dodge against all odds successfully build the Viper they committed the funds to race and win some impressive hardware. The GTS-Rs are historically significant for Dodge and American automotive history from my admittedly biased perspective.
Right on target as always!!!
It's easy looking back on the GTS-Rs now to diminish how hard it was to actually produce these cars. And the camera with the assembly pictures, car covers,lithographs, autographed pictures of the drivers etc. was a very nice gesture by Dodge.
The one off parts are irreplaceable. Wait until 20 years from now and people are trying to restore GTS-Rs and trying to find original parts??? Like Cody says many GTS-Rs are garage queens put away for the next guy. However I also have seen over the years many modified, damaged, repainted and relatively high mile GTS-Rs. I remember at Viper days a while back a guy was racing and enjoying the heck out of his new GTS-R and it was heavily modified.
Time also seems to diminish that a few years before Dodge won with the team Oreca Vipers it was bankrupt and the thought of Dodge or any American manufacturer winning the titles the GTS-R did was unheard of. But not only did Dodge against all odds successfully build the Viper they committed the funds to race and win some impressive hardware. The GTS-Rs are historically significant for Dodge and American automotive history from my admittedly biased perspective.
Cobraken
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Sorry Jon but I am going to disagree with you on some points. We buy Vipers because we like special cars. We spend thousands to make our cars more special and to distinguish them from others.
The car market bears this out: Performance vehicles bring more than basic vehicles; Factory serialized and rarer colored performance vehicles bring more than that; "Tuned" performance vehicles (Shelby, Yenko, Motion et al) bring more than those. Lesson is the more rare, the more bucks. To some manufacturers 100 vehicles is a lot and to others a fiasco. Our cars are worth what someone else will pay. Their value to us is more subjective. We will continue to try to make our cars more special than their brethern. This is good for the hobby and good for Viper. Ain't it grand that we all don't like the same things? And ain't it grand that it takes extra effort to make something worthwhile?
The car market bears this out: Performance vehicles bring more than basic vehicles; Factory serialized and rarer colored performance vehicles bring more than that; "Tuned" performance vehicles (Shelby, Yenko, Motion et al) bring more than those. Lesson is the more rare, the more bucks. To some manufacturers 100 vehicles is a lot and to others a fiasco. Our cars are worth what someone else will pay. Their value to us is more subjective. We will continue to try to make our cars more special than their brethern. This is good for the hobby and good for Viper. Ain't it grand that we all don't like the same things? And ain't it grand that it takes extra effort to make something worthwhile?
I dont see where we disagree at all..... we are talking 2 different topics.
My response was to a specific post that challenged the special nature and heritage of the 100 GT-2s. The facts I posted render the GT-2 the most collectible Viper to this point....and sales prices consistently above MSRP bear this out.
Yenko-Schmenko
Cobraken
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Right. The GTSR is a very special car in the Viper Heritage. Also agree w/ the Yenko reference
FinalEd357
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