Hot Ford Gt #s' in latest CnD issue

[SRT10]

Hot Ford Gt #s\' in latest CnD issue

I just received the Jan 04 issue titled Judgement Day. Although the Porche 911 GT3 and the Ferrari Stradale don't have the power numbers to match the Ford GT,(the Viper SRT would have been a better opponent ) the Fords numbers were impressive.
0-60 in 3.3 sec
1/4 mile 11.6 @ 128

 

[Y2K5SRT]

Re: Hot Ford Gt #s\' in latest CnD issue

3.3 0-60???? Sounds like cheater slicks to me... Great numbers no matter how you slice it!

 

[Fast Freddy]

Re: Hot Ford Gt #s\' in latest CnD issue

the ford gt-44 does not have to make a 1-2 shift on its way to a 60 mph run. the shift occurs at 62 mph with its gearing and 6000 rpms, etc. the ford gt-44's 500 hp rating is at the rear wheels not at the crank. this means that the motor is making 575 crankshaft horsepower.

 

[Snakester]

Re: Hot Ford Gt #s\' in latest CnD issue

It sounds like C&D got a tweaked car to me.
Road & Track got more realistic performance numbers considering the Ford GT has similar power and weight as the SRT-10 Viper does.
They got 0-60 in 3.8, 0-100 in 8.8, 1/4 mile in 12.2 @120MPH, 0.99G on the skidpad, and 69.5 on the slalom. Generally on-par with the SRT-10 Viper.
The quicker time to 60 is because the Ford GT shifts to 2nd at 61MPH.
Here's the pdf file shoing R&T's test results:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/11132003105848.pdf

-Dean.

 

[Y2K5SRT]

Re: Hot Ford Gt #s\' in latest CnD issue

the ford gt-44's 500 hp rating is at the rear wheels not at the crank. this means that the motor is making 575 crankshaft horsepower.

I don't buy it. Ford would be making those numbers VERY widely known if that were indeed the case. I have not read anything anywhere that shows 575 horsepower. Not one manufacturer publicizes rear wheel (or any wheel) horsepower. It is always rated at the crank. Ford states 500 hp at the crank. Period.

Oh, and no matter how you slice it, it is a kick ass car!

 

[Snakester]

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I DO like the Ford GT, but it's performance specs (500HP/3400lbs) do NOT indicate a car that is capable of 11.6 @128MPH, which at the Ford GT's weight would put the actual power output closer to 600HP!(crank)

Has anyone read this coming month's Motor Trend article which tested the Ford GT and SRT-10 Viper side-by-side?
The performance of the two cars is supposed to be comparable from what I've heard so far.

-Dean.

 

[Saleen-Explorer]

Re: Hot Ford Gt #s\' in latest CnD issue

the ford gt-44's 500 hp rating is at the rear wheels not at the crank. this means that the motor is making 575 crankshaft horsepower.

I don't buy it. Ford would be making those numbers VERY widely known if that were indeed the case. I have not read anything anywhere that shows 575 horsepower. Not one manufacturer publicizes rear wheel (or any wheel) horsepower. It is always rated at the crank. Ford states 500 hp at the crank. Period.

Oh, and no matter how you slice it, it is a kick ass car!

Who knows, the GT could be very underrated. Do you not remember the 03' Cobra which Ford stated at 390 fly horsepower, my friends dynoed 380+ rwhp when stock, so much for the 390 rating at the fly so it is not always rated at the crank, even the new Mercedes are highly underrated just ask Treynor or anybody that has dynoed a new AMG, and even the SRT-4 Neon dynoes it's marketed fly wheel horsepower. And I mentioned before in another thread that Roush suposedly dynoed a GT in the 540 rwhp range (still do not know if it was true or not) and supposedly Shebly Inc has alluded to it being closer to 600 at the fly which I also still do not know if it's accurate.

I don't think we'll really know the accurate number untill "real" people actually take delivery of theirs and put them on a dyno.

It just wouldn't suprise me that it's underrated, but I was really dissapointed in Road and Tracks test. IMO, I think all the mags should use Evan Smith, he'll ring the best outta any car, got a 12.3 in an stock 03' Cobra and I also think he had a stock GTS at 11.6 or 11.7 in the 1/4, but then a lot of people might be dissapointed when they realize they can't pull numbers that Evan can lol

 

[Craig 201 MPH]

Re: Hot Ford Gt #s\' in latest CnD issue

i bet the GT hooks up a lot better than the viper too. Lot less drivetrain loss as well.

 

[Fast Freddy]

Re: Hot Ford Gt #s\' in latest CnD issue

when i buy a gt-44 i am gonna crank the boost up to 16 lbs and bust 200 mph

 

[Y2K5SRT]

Re: Hot Ford Gt #s\' in latest CnD issue

I would definitely agree with the "underrating" of the horsepower. Vipers are famous for it and I would think it would be a very pleasant surprise for GT buyers. The ones that will actually take them out of their garages...

 

[Saleen-Explorer]

Re: Hot Ford Gt #s\' in latest CnD issue

I would definitely agree with the "underrating" of the horsepower. Vipers are famous for it and I would think it would be a very pleasant surprise for GT buyers. The ones that will actually take them out of their garages...

W/O a doubt, if those rumors about how underrated the real GT will be then it will be a beast. And unfortunetley I feel most are going to be garage queens scince I think most people that are going to by one are the guys that they stole away from Ferrari etc that drive their cars 2K miles per year , but the guys like Fast Freddy above will drive the piss out of it lol, I think the Viper owners that will be owning one are going to be the ones who will drive the GT just as they did their Viper, HARD

 

[BadVenm]

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Saleen,

I just got C and D and loved every word of the article!

I have a contract and deposit for a Ford GT order thru Bill P at Woodhouse. I'm not sure they will get enough to deliver mine, but never-the-less, I sure hoping they get it in for me!

Forget the numbers, it looks soooo cool who cares about the numbers!



Drive what you want, live like you want, otherwise your living someone else's life.

 

[Vic]

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i bet the GT hooks up a lot better than the viper too. Lot less drivetrain loss as well.

I was thinking the same thing, as I was scrolling down through the posts. The rear engine design gives a better weight transfer advantage, as compared to a front engine, rear wheel drive car. Lets not forget part of the art of getting 500HP to hook up is in controlling wheel spin, and that accounts for much of the 60ft times, which in turn alters the outcome of both 0-60 and 1/4 mile times. So even if the GT is only making 500HP at the crank, it may give a better 0-60 time, if only for its rear engine design.

 

[Snakester]

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Admittedly, R&T's times are usually slow (and actually closer to the times that an average driver can muster), but there is a BIG difference between 12.2 @120MPH (Gen II Viper times), and 11.6 @128MPH.

I can understand the underrating, and certainly a great driver can cut the 1/4 mile times down, but generally the trap speed is a better indication of actual power.

Remember that the SRT-10 Viper is already underrated, making 525HP/550TQ or more, stock. And the fastest trap speed is MT's 123.6MPH, with another 50HP (575HP+)or so needed to pull the extra 4MPH. And that extra power would have shown up on the R&T times as well.

-Dean.

 

[Saleen-Explorer]

Re: Hot Ford Gt #s\' in latest CnD issue

And that extra power would have shown up on the R&T times as well.

-Dean.

Good point also, weird that the recent test showed such a large difference in 1/4 and mph, Ford might still be working some things out so maybe the previous test were done with models that weren't tuned fully etc, maybe the real version that will be released will be the underrated one C and D got

Then you have the vid of Jeremey Clarkson testing it and being shocked at the brute power from his expressions and remarks on it and thought they might have over done it on the power equation lol, never really seen him do that for any other car. Maybe he got a hold of the one Car and Driver did . I mean hell, he said "I think I wet my pants", never did he say that for any other car, thats good enough for me LOL.

A little off topic, but I'm sick of the reviews most mags and shows get on cars like the Viper, Vette, Cobra. Did anybody happen to watch Hot Rod TV on the speed channel recently? They need to put the crack pipe down, they compared an STi to an 03' Cobra and managed to pull a 13.8 in the 1/4 for both cars and proclaimed the Sti for no apparent reason, I didn't even see them release road course numbers for either. ***, you have to be a complete *****, launch in 2nd, go right to 5th to even try to run a 13.8 in a Cobra, we ran 12.7 at 112 mph in my friends when it was stock and that was with only 2 runs at the track on his first outting with the car.

 

[treynor]

Re: Hot Ford Gt #s\' in latest CnD issue

I posit that we won't know how fast the GT40 really goes until production units show up in customers' hands and people take them to the track & dyno. Personally, I hope Ford -does- make them 500 RWHP; it'll incent PVO to crank up the power on the Gen-III

 

[SnakeEye]

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0-60 in 3.3 and 11.6 @ 128 makes things interesting to say the least...
Now it would be great to see a Viper vs. GT show off with all the numbers.

 

[Snakester]

Re: Hot Ford Gt #s\' in latest CnD issue

Apparently, there is a comparison test between the SRT-10 Viper and Ford GT in the upcoming January issue of Motor Trend magazine.
But I haven't yet seen the performance number's posted anywhere yet.

P.S. From the other thread it looks like MT didn't show the numbers in the article. Most likely it's because the Viper beat the Ford GT in the 1/4 mile and 60-0 braking.

-Dean.