Stock for stock, which is faster in the 1/4? C6 or GTS?

[SSR9999]

Stock for stock, which is faster in the 1/4? GTS or the (base) C6? I had a C6 and have always wondered about this. Personally, i would think with the lighter weight that it might be a driver's race (?). But then again, i've seen inconsistent 1/4 time posted at Corvetteforum, so who knows. But what do you guys/gals think?

Please keep in mind, i'm not trying to start a flame war by the way, just curious as to how each car (STOCK for STOCK) stack up against one another in the 1/4. Thanks.

By the way, what's the average 1/4 time that most have gotten from their STOCK GTS?

Thanks again.

 

[DEADEYE]

The C5 Z06 was a little behind the GTS and the C6 is a little behind the C5 Z06 but drivers aren't perfect and anything can happen.

 

[Randy]

Having driven a stock C6, my seat of the pants feeling is that it is significantly slower than a stock Gen II Viper (GTS *or* RT/10 - I'm not sure why you'd limit it to the GTS). I believe the tested 0-60 C6 time is a few tenths slower, and the 1/4 mile is at least a half second slower - but this is just from memory; I'm not 100% certain.

 

[plumcrazy]

i have run a few o5 Zo6's and C6 vettes and beat all of them.

 

[Leslie]

I have a C5 Z06 and a GTS, the Viper definitely puts me back in the seat more. I can get in one in the morning, go back and get the other one out, and EVERY time I want a really FUN ride-it's the GTS, although I have never taken either one down a drag strip.

My C5 dyno'd at 400rwhp (I added about 80hp, bolt on's), and my stock GTS just dyno'd at 412rwhp

 

[Casey]

GTS easy!

 

[Jack B]

For what it is worth, at Thompson, Ohio, this year during the Viper Vette races there was a new C6 ZO6 in the 12.5 bracket. Dave Rauske in his 94 Gen 1 beat the Vette in the finals (12.5 breakout)with a 12.51. This was a street tire class.

 

[Early93Viper]

I've raced a couple of C6s and have had no problems winning by about a car length both times.

 

[01 RT SNAKE]

My first run last night at Speedworld was against a C6 Z06. He laid the smack down on me. I spun hard going into 2nd gear and he flew right by me. He later trapped at 122mph and I thought he told me he eventually trapped 125. His mods were a B&B exhaust and an intake.

Here's how it went:

C6 Z06 RT/10

reaction .407 .147
60' 2.026 1.971
330' 5.283 5.526
660' 7.847 8.376
mph 660' 95.895 86.013
990' 9.960 10.690

ET 11.860 12.726
MPH 119.631 115.042


Mike
2001 RT/10

 

[Warfang]

My first run last night at Speedworld was against a C6 Z06. He laid the smack down on me. I spun hard going into 2nd gear and he flew right by me. He later trapped at 122mph and I thought he told me he eventually trapped 125. His mods were a B&B exhaust and an intake.

Here's how it went:

C6 Z06 RT/10

reaction .407 .147
60' 2.026 1.971
330' 5.283 5.526
660' 7.847 8.376
mph 660' 95.895 86.013
990' 9.960 10.690

ET 11.860 12.726
MPH 119.631 115.042


Mike
2001 RT/10

Well, you lost to a car whose design is 10 years younger than yous by less than a second... not bad if you ask me.

 

[AviP]

GTS hands down both in the looks and performance dept. The C6 is no match. Now the Z06, that's different.

 

[V 10 MAFIA]

i have run a few o5 Zo6's and C6 vettes and beat all of them.

Yeah Baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mopar426]

i have run a few o5 Zo6's and C6 vettes and beat all of them.

There were no Z06's built in 2005....

 

[Snakester]

The Viper's huge torque makes it easy to spin badly in 1st and 2nd, so the C6 Corvette has a launching edge that puts it nose to nose with the stock R/T10 or GTS at the 60ft, but once the Viper can put all of it's power down it will slowly walk away from a stock C6 Corvette with equal drivers. It runs about the same to 60MPH, and then the Viper gains about 5/10th of a second to 100MPH, with a 1/4 mile time around 2-4 tenths quicker and running around 3-6 MPH faster through the traps.

Of course with these close numbers, the driver and track prep makes all of the difference in the outcome.

Seat of the pants feel definitely favors the Viper with all of it's huge torque spead wide across the powerband.

The C6 Z06 is a different animal with 100HP more and lighter weight. But they to can be beaten with a few mods.

 

[JZ 97 SS 1500]

I ran a lightly modded C6 about 2-3 months ago 3 times. All race outcomes were the same. I had a couple of car lengths by 120 or so. All runs were from a 40mph kick. My car has K&N filters, smooth tubes and corsa muffler. I have been 7.4's@97mph in the 1/8th on DR's so the car is a strong runner. Ran a C6 Z06 from a roll as well but I had a 200lbs passenger. Pretty even in 1st and 2nd, he started to slowly walk by in 3rd. With headers, rockers and full exhaust, I think the outcome will be quite close.

 

[VIPER GTSR 91]

Stock for stock, which is faster in the 1/4? GTS or the (base) C6? I had a C6 and have always wondered about this. Personally, i would think with the lighter weight that it might be a driver's race (?). But then again, i've seen inconsistent 1/4 time posted at Corvetteforum, so who knows. But what do you guys/gals think?

Please keep in mind, i'm not trying to start a flame war by the way, just curious as to how each car (STOCK for STOCK) stack up against one another in the 1/4. Thanks.

By the way, what's the average 1/4 time that most have gotten from their STOCK GTS?

Thanks again.

To answer your question directly without going off in different directions: During the 1998-2002 GTS years, both Road&Track and Car&Driver posted 0-60 times for the GTS at 4.0 - 4.2 seconds (mostly 4.2). They have posted 4.4 - 4.6 seconds (mostly 4.5) for the base C6. (not the ZO6). The 1/4 times were 12.2 for the GTS and 12.5 for the base C6 I believe.

 

[GTSNRT10]

I owned a 2006 c6 6speed for a couple weeks by trading my 95 RT/10 for it and took it to our local 1/8 mile track for some runs. results were continuous 8.7@86 I made 5 passes and all were 8.7or8.8@ or around 83to86 with a horrible 1.9 60 foot. Under the same conditions my 02 GTS ran 8.0 to 8.1 every time@91to93mph with a 1.9to2.0 sixty foot times as well. and the SOP between the two was even more of a spread.

 

[ASKYOURWIFE]

The gen 2 Viper will walk a C6 ******* a roll from a 70 mph punch stock for stock...

But in the 1/4 mile a typical time for the gen 2 would be 12.2 at 118 vrs 12.6 at 114 for the C6..So not much of a race with equal drivers...

The C5Z06's typical 12.5 at 115 is a little closer though....From what ive read a C5Z06 can hang with a gen 2 pretty decently up to 100 mph in the 1/4 mile. After that the gen 2 pulls away like the average trapp speed of 118 (viper) vrs 115 (C5Z06) suggest...

The best 0-60 ive read of for the gen2 viper is 4.0...While the best for the C5Z06 is 4.2...The best for the C6 that Ive read of is 4.3....

So 0-60 their all pretty close and honestly the better driver would win from a dead stop race to say 90 mph...

But after 90 mph the grunt of the v10 and long gears of the viper would shine and it's bye bye C5 and C5Z06....

The C5Z06 ( 2002) is a heck of an car...It really can trapp 114-116 all day with a good driver ( vrs 117-119 all day for the gen 2 with a good driver)..

but the c6 has been a disapointment....A manual C6 trapps 112-114 all day with a good driver and not much more.


This is all coming from a guy who created the fastest bone stock c5's list over on the corvette forum back when I had a 04 Vette...

The C6 weighs 3250 pounds and dynos 345 rwhp and 345 rwt

the gen 2 weighs 3390 pounds ( rt10) and 3450 pounds (GTS) and dynos 410 rwhp and 455 rwt...

150-200 pounds lighter for the C6 gives it a little help. ( It needs it having 65 less rwhp and 110 rwt compared to the gen 2)...

But the reason it even has a chance is due to the Vipers SLOWWWW 3.07 gears vrs the C6's 3.42's...

But lets be honest. Any car that can run 11.9 at 120 mph ( popular science as well as Gm hot shoe Evan smith ran this in bone stock non ACR gen 2's) to 12.3 at 117 mph in the slower magazines with only 3.07 rear gears is pretty amazing.

 

[bluestreak]

The gen 2 Viper will walk a C6 ******* a roll from a 70 mph punch stock for stock...

But in the 1/4 mile a typical time for the gen 2 would be 12.2 at 118 vrs 12.6 at 114 for the C6..So not much of a race with equal drivers...

The C5Z06's typical 12.5 at 115 is a little closer though....From what ive read a C5Z06 can hang with a gen 2 pretty decently up to 100 mph in the 1/4 mile. After that the gen 2 pulls away like the average trapp speed of 118 (viper) vrs 115 (C5Z06) suggest...

The best 0-60 ive read of for the gen2 viper is 4.0...While the best for the C5Z06 is 4.2...The best for the C6 that Ive read of is 4.3....

So 0-60 their all pretty close and honestly the better driver would win from a dead stop race to say 90 mph...

But after 90 mph the grunt of the v10 and long gears of the viper would shine and it's bye bye C5 and C5Z06....

The C5Z06 ( 2002) is a heck of an car...It really can trapp 114-116 all day with a good driver ( vrs 117-119 all day for the gen 2 with a good driver)..

but the c6 has been a disapointment....A manual C6 trapps 112-114 all day with a good driver and not much more.


This is all coming from a guy who created the fastest bone stock c5's list over on the corvette forum back when I had a 04 Vette...

The C6 weighs 3250 pounds and dynos 345 rwhp and 345 rwt

the gen 2 weighs 3390 pounds ( rt10) and 3450 pounds (GTS) and dynos 410 rwhp and 455 rwt...

150-200 pounds lighter for the C6 gives it a little help. ( It needs it having 65 less rwhp and 110 rwt compared to the gen 2)...

But the reason it even has a chance is due to the Vipers SLOWWWW 3.07 gears vrs the C6's 3.42's...

But lets be honest. Any car that can run 11.9 at 120 mph ( popular science as well as Gm hot shoe Evan smith ran this in bone stock non ACR gen 2's) to 12.3 at 117 mph in the slower magazines with only 3.07 rear gears is pretty amazing.

I agree with this post except the fact that SEVERAL C5 Z06's have run 11.8 on stock tires bone stock. This also seems to be the fastest times for the Gen II BONE stock.

The C6 vs Gen II is in an entirely different league becuase on corvetteforum the fastest stock C6 time is 12.2 and second place is 12.4 or something, so on the average the C6 cant keep up but the C5Z is a much better drag car.

I would think the C6 could keep up better from a roll since it keeps up better with the C5Z from a roll as well

 

[Red94Roadster]

I bought my 94 RT/10 in April of this year and my friend bought an 06 C6 3 days later. We've both spent the summer familiarizing ourselves with the joys of 400hp. We've taken our cars to the dragstrip 3 times this summer and probably raced a total of 9-12 times. I've beat him everytime except for 1. Granted, I think I've devevloped into a slightly better driver, but during his best runs, we were neck n neck. I don't know how a GTS compares to the RT/10, but I always figured they were faster (slightly more hp, less drag, etc.)

For someone who's only truely compared my Viper's performance to that of a C6, I'll state that the GTS is faster than the C6...better lookin too!

 

[ASKYOURWIFE]

The best bone stock time for the gen 2 viper down to the paper filter is 11.5...

3 tenths faster than the 11.8 record for the C5z06...

There are less than 5 people in the world that got 100% bone stock z06's to brake the 11.999 barrier...

On the other hand popular science and Evan smith ( to real life and RELIABLE sources ran 11.9's in bone stock vipers...

And their have been many many people to run 11.999 or bertter in bone stock GEN2 vipers compared to a list of only a handful for all the C5Z06's out their.

So as the best bone stock recortds stand..

the gen2's 11.5 is better than the C5Z06's 11.8

And the C6's 12.2 isnt even in the same ball park....Just about any average driver could take a stock gen 2 to a decently prepped track and run a 12.2 at 118 mph...

Try saying that about a C6 or C5Z06...Aint gonna happen...ESPESIALLY the mph wich tells you how fast the car really is...

A gen 2 viper can trap 116-120 mph depending on driver in conditions...

on the other hand the C5Z06 can trapp 113-117 depending on driver and conditions...117 for the c5 Z06 was done only one time by Motortrend...120 for the viper was done only twice by popular science and Evan smith of GM hot rods..

The point is...That if the C5Z06 cuts a 1.7 60 ft bone stock and then trapps 115 mph he can very well run a 12.1...

Then say the gen 2 viper guy cant drive as well as the C5Z06 driver and cuts a 2.0 60 ft and trapps 118 mph...He'll still run a 12.1 as well...

This dosent mean that a C5Z06 is as fast as a gen 2 Viper. it means the C5Z06 made better use of the power it had off the line..

Let that same Viper be driven by a great driver as well and cut a 1.7 60 ft and trapp 117 mph ( lost a little mph due to great traction) but now the viper is gonna be in the 11.8 range...

No matter how the numbers are analized..the Viper ALWAYS trapps 2-3 mph higher than the C5Z06...

If i drove a stock C5Z06 to a 117 mph trapp I would be exstatic and so happy that I got a strong one and probaly dyno it a week later to see if i got one of the strong ones that can dyno 360 rwhp bone stock....

If I trapp 117 mph in my stock gen 2 I will be VERY disapointed that I cant even match what the slower magazines got of 118 mph....

I could go all day...Bottom line is the gen 2 viper is faster than a 2002 C5Z06...That helps me sleep a little better at night. Especially with the C6Z06 trapping 123-126 on average....I need somebody to pick on...

THANKS C5Z06

 

[Randy]

I don't know how a GTS compares to the RT/10, but I always figured they were faster (slightly more hp, less drag, etc.)

Eh? A GTS and Gen II RT/10 are the exact same horsepower. Perhaps you are confusing Gen I and Gen II RT/10s? The GTS is no faster than a Gen II RT/10, except in the very top end, due to aerodynamics; both have the aero of a brick, but the GTS is a slightly less turbulent brick. (I'm a bit baffled by the number of people that seem to think that Gen I RT/10s and Gen II RT/10s are in any way similar, and/or that the Gen II RT/10 is somehow lesser performance than a GTS - trust me - having owned both Gen I and Gen II RT/10's, there is little similarity).

 

[Red94Roadster]

I don't know how a GTS compares to the RT/10, but I always figured they were faster (slightly more hp, less drag, etc.)

Eh? A GTS and Gen II RT/10 are the exact same horsepower. Perhaps you are confusing Gen I and Gen II RT/10s? The GTS is no faster than a Gen II RT/10, except in the very top end, due to aerodynamics; both have the aero of a brick, but the GTS is a slightly less turbulent brick. (I'm a bit baffled by the number of people that seem to think that Gen I RT/10s and Gen II RT/10s are in any way similar, and/or that the Gen II RT/10 is somehow lesser performance than a GTS - trust me - having owned both Gen I and Gen II RT/10's, there is little similarity).

I own a 1994 RT/10 which is a Gen I, NOT a Gen II

No confusion here.

 

[ASKYOURWIFE]

Actually at the drag strip the gen 2 rt10 seems to be a little faster than the GTS on average....When their both bone stock..

They both have exactly the same engine and dyno numbers but the rt/10 weighs in at 3390 pounds....And thats with the hard top...With the soft top it weighs in at 3380 pounds....With no top on what so ever it weighs in at the 3370 pound range ( and yes some lucky people can run it this way at their tracks)...

Vrs the 3440-3460 pound range Ive found for the GTS....

On average from everything Ive read The rt10 is normally a 1/2 tenth and 1/2 mph faster than the GTS stock for stock in the 1/4 mile...

HEY....This can be the differance between an 12.18 at 119.1 vrs a GTS's 12.23 at 118.7.

So while not much it is a differance.

In the SRT 10 world the same rules also seem to apply...The 3390 pound SRT 10 convertable seems to always be around the 12.05 at 120.5 range while the STR 10 CPE seems to always be around the 12.10 at 119.8...

Once again weight seems to be the culprit.


But I do personaly beleave that a GTS would walk away from a rt 10 after 135-140 mph.

I beleave the rt10 is around .50 drag while the GTS is around .35...

Dosent seem to make any differance in the 1/4 mile were they both can hit 117-120 mph..

But a top speed of 177 ( rt10) vrs 192 for the gts, shows that the rt 10 would defiently get walked...At what speed this would happen i have no idea...

Id love to see 0-150 mph times for both the rt10 and GTS...

But to get back on subject...177 mph for the rt10 vrs 192 for the GTS may make the rt10 seem a little limp wristed...

But 177 for the rt 10 vrs 168 mph top speed for the C5Z06 still gives the Viper the all around edge...

My auto 2.73 geared 2004 Corvette actually had a higher top speed rating than a 2004 C5Z06 due to gearing...

My car was tested to 172 mph and the C5z06 was tested to 168 mph by the same magazine...

Forget all this 1/4 mile stuff...

SOMEONE PULL OUT THE 0-150MPH NUMBERS FOR A C5Z06 VRS GEN 2 VIPER