Vipers belong in Europe

[Toronto_ACR]

I just came back from Europe where I was constantly the fastest driver on the road running an average speed of 180 to 200km/hr on the highways. I have to say that it is a real pleasure to be around people that really know how to drive. Except fro Viper owners and some owners of other sports cars most people here in North America do not know how to drive. I dont blame the drivers as much as the stupid candyass system here in North America. I was in Germany. Austria and Italy. I was surprised to find out that the highways in Italy are actually betetr than the highways in Germany. Yes there are some speed limits in certain locations in Italy and Germany on the highways. but for the most part most people travel around 150 and the more experienced such as myself would routinely travel over 200km/hr. What is the shame is that our cars are wasted here. One day I will take my car to Europe and let it go free. Free to be where people will move over when a faster car is approaching. Free to be in a system that allows only adults who really know how to drive be behind a car instead of the candy *** stupid ***** who drives 60 miles per hour or 100km/hr on the fast lane and refuses to move ovber no mattger how many times you flash the ******* are taligate him. Road rage is the result of those drivers. Unfortunately the system here will try to tell you that they have speed limits to try and protect you when the truth is they make a lot of money giving out speeding tickets. Oh Well! One day my beast will roam free.

 

[ViperGTS]

We do have two kind of drivers too - the "nice guys" changing to the right lane if going slow and changing to the left lane only for passing - and the "bad guys" blocking the left lane whatever comes from behind (envy)! BTW, we have a regulation (law) to stay on the right lane and to change lane ONLY for passing - we can/should pass only on the left side!
But, there is a big discussion to change our regulations to US style...??? Passing on either side! I do not think that your system is better for the (fast) autobahn, however, more and more drivers do not go back to the right lane(s), but stay left...just a few thoughts from "good old Germany".
P.S.: Last week, I drove for the first time more than 180 mph ... verrrrrrrryyyyyy faaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssssssst, but a M3 (not speed-limited!) tried to catch my back!
No chance for the BMW...........

 

[YellowSnake]

The majority of cars on our local highways go between 70-80 MPH, although the speed limit is 55 MPH. I eagerly await the day the speed limit is increased. (Preferably triple digits!)

 

[Neil - UK]

I've passed through quite a few euro countries, you can't beat
France for their well maintained, fast and mainly empty roads, but the french drivers!! They love leaving their indicators on

 

[Chuck 98 RT/10]

I agree completely Toronto_ACR. Being in FL I'm forced to go through GA where the oinkers study concentration camp methods of rule and apply them to the citizens of our "free" country.

100mph is perfectly safe on many U.S. roads. Georgia included.

 

[Toronto_ACR]

I think the worst drivers in North America are here in Toronto. It is even more frustrating now after coming back from a place where people really know how to drive and more importantly the system is not stupid enough to slow everyone down. Here in Toronto they are talking about why we have road rage. If I could just have half an hour with a politician who could change the laws I would tell him to take a trip to Europe namely Italy and Germany and take a drive on the highways. Then maybe that idiot would have his eyes opened. It's really quite simple. You see apparently the slower cars over their drive on the right side of the road and the faster drivers drive on the left side. And if a faster car is coming up, the slower car moves over to the right. Also they realize that if you have a reasonably trained driver behind the wheel of a car that is on a fairly good paved highway they will allow you to go faster than 55mph to get to where you are going. Unfortunately we have not only a stupid moronic system for children here in North America but you have laws that give tickets to people trying to go as fast as 80MPH. Yes that is definitely a very fast speed considering that we have complete bumbling idiots behind the wheel. One day my beast will be able to roam free.

 

[MES]

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I think the worst drivers in North America are here in Toronto.
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I second that!!! We have lots of vacationing Canadians down here and they are among the worst drivers. Road rage is the result of congestion, that's the bottom line. If there were less cars on the road and you could drive at your own pace there would be little road rage.

 

[Toronto_ACR]

Road rage is not caused by congestion. That is very inaccurate. Road rage can be beaten by getting the laws changed so people will move. You have it all wrong. The North american mentality on driving is wrong. Their is congestion is Europe also. maybe more than here. But when it does move they really move. They dont have cops trying to rip a hole in your pockets and then giving you some crap about them trying to save your life. And yes Canadian drivers are bad. But American drivers are not much better. Go to Europe and see the big difference. I did not want to leave. One day my beast will roam free. I think I will move just for the driving experience.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MES:

I second that!!! We have lots of vacationing Canadians down here and they are among the worst drivers. Road rage is the result of congestion, that's the bottom line. If there were less cars on the road and you could drive at your own pace there would be little road rage.

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[Tom and Vipers]

"I know what you are, but what does that make me?" (?)

Actually, on the deserted roads in Nevada (so deserted, there is NO QUESTION there are police about), I have found that I like to drive about 2000 rpm in 6th.

Unfortunately, Bad Viper has the deep gears which translates into 90-105 mph in general.

While I could drive faster, the "touring" speed of the engine is my limit.

Of course, I would still drive at 2000 rpm with 2.70 gears also.

Anyone look into cruises from USA to Europe where you can take your car with you?

I have a friend who knows a couple that go to Amsterdam every couple of years, rent a bad a$$ Porsche, and drive it around 8 hours a day for a week. Probably the cheapest antidote for us locals.

 

[GTS Bruce]

My Solution.A graduated license system.Class 1-Passed basic written and driver test.(Not allowed on expresways,turnpike,etc.Class 2-Attended and passed a skid school driver course.(allowed to drive on freeways etc.Max speed 80 mph.)Class-3 driver must qualify with designated vehicle at a high performance drivers school.Speed unlimited on turnpikes traffic permiting.All licenses to be the size of a license plate and displayed in the rear window.Those caught violating their license designation are banned from driving for life. Bruce

 

[Chuck 98 RT/10]

Sounds fine to me GTS Bruce.

We still need to teach people to get the **** out of the fast lane!!!

 

[Vip-RT10]

I agree completely. People in Europe drive (on average) better than here in the states. They are more aware of the surroundings and efficient. They don't have people blocking the left lanes, and if they do, Italy just passed a law that will fine people $1000 dollars for blocking traffic on the left lane. AMEN! Where else can you go 200 mph/320 kph in a Ferrari F50 and not have any problems with the law? You don't have old people that count to ten before they go into a busy H-way. For that there should be public executions IMHO. I have seen more accidents at lower speeds rather than higher speeds. I love Europe for that aspect too. Come Feb 2002, my Viper will be road tested on Italian asphalt, we'll see.

 

[ViperGTS]

&gt;&gt;The drivers are far more educated. For instance native citizen of Germany has to wait until 21 to drive and it requires a very intinsive written test. Let's go for it!&lt;&lt;

"more educated"....?????

"until 21 to drive"......NO, with 18!

"written test"...........YES, but you will become a good driver from experience (and a lot of driving) only!

 

[Toronto_ACR]

Most of you are 100% correct. The difference is that over in Europe people are more educated. The other reason is that the rules are not meant to slow people down. But nothing will change. Not for a long while. They will try to tell you that they are protecting you. the truth is they want to take your money. It is the insurance companies that run the show here in North America. They make the speed limits and the rules. I will never drive here like I did there. I have plenty of stress here because drivers are just plain stupid. They are asleep at the wheel, and that is the bottom line.

Thanks

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vip-RT10:
I agree completely. People in Europe drive (on average) better than here in the states. They are more aware of the surroundings and efficient. They don't have people blocking the left lanes, and if they do, Italy just passed a law that will fine people $1000 dollars for blocking traffic on the left lane. AMEN! Where else can you go 200 mph/320 kph in a Ferrari F50 and not have any problems with the law? You don't have old people that count to ten before they go into a busy H-way. For that there should be public executions IMHO. I have seen more accidents at lower speeds rather than higher speeds. I love Europe for that aspect too. Come Feb 2002, my Viper will be road tested on Italian asphalt, we'll see.

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[Chuck 98 RT/10]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JusSumFastGi:
just because he/she wants to drive three miles an hour fast than me, I am not going to slow down by seven miles an hour, merge into traffic, then gas it, get back into the fast lane,

Stop ridding my *** ! I will get over when I have room damit!

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That explains it.

 

[Vip-RT10]

That is why people get killed...slowing down the fast lane. US should get the new European law that ANYONE blocking the passage of a faster moving vehicle in the left lane gets a $1000 ticket. AMEN!

 

[Chuck 98 RT/10]

It's all a matter of courtesy. If you're in the fast lane and a car is coming up on you, do whatever you have to do to get out of the way. If you have to speed up or slow down to move over, it doesn't matter, just do it. Sheesh, what's the big deal? It's not like you have to start pedaling faster to get back up to speed.

I have this same arguement with my Dad, who is 71. I don't know if that means anything to anybody, just thought I'd mention it.

SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT

 

[Chuck 98 RT/10]

"Why should I? Why don't you?" It's been a lot of years since I had an arguement with that logic. You win. You've converted me. Screw all those other people, they can wait until I'm ready.

Mommie!

 

[Chuck 98 RT/10]

That California traffic must be rough.