what production car is faster???

[2tall]

From the way they talk, Supra's just HAVE to be.

But seriously, I've been telling people that ask (and it's what I think to be true, tho I could have my head up my ***), that there are only 2 CURRENT production cars that are faster (0-60, quarter and top end combined -- as much as they can be I suppose).

The Prosche GT2 and the Lambo Murcielago.

I know it whups all the Ferraris, BMWs, MBs, Jags and Lotus and all american cars.

There might be another porsche or two out there that can do it, but I don't like porsches much so I don't know what the latest and greatest is.

 

[Tomer]

2Tall, I like your answer, so i am gonna use it!!!

Tomer
96 RT

 

[SapphireGTS]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I know it whups all the Ferraris, BMWs, MBs, Jags and Lotus and all american cars.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

How you been 2-tall?
Congrats on the Ride.

Let us not forget this beast

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or this

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even this little booger

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WHAT? They are all prodection cars

 

[scottgf]

A good place to look is the back of Car and Driver Mag.
They have a list of all the cars they have tested (at least over the past year or so) with the various stats on all of them, including 0-60 times.
I agree with the above post, I think there where only 2 or 3 cars quicker than a Viper.
Cheers,

 

[Guibo]

From various sources (MT, C&D, R&T):

993 Turbo and Turbo S: 3.7-ish
996 Turbo: 3.9-4.0
Shelby Series 1 Supercharged: 3.7
F50: 3.6-3.7
McLaren F1: 3.2-3.4

 

[King GTS]

I believe there are only 2. The Porsche 911 Turbo GT2 & the Lamborghini.

 

[SapphireGTS]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>From various sources (MT, C&D, R&T):
993 Turbo and Turbo S: 3.7-ish
996 Turbo: 3.9-4.0
Shelby Series 1 Supercharged: 3.7
F50: 3.6-3.7
McLaren F1: 3.2-3.4<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats more than 2.

I have those same numbers.

You see the skidpad on the Mclaren?

Whats up with that?

 

[EXECMALIBU]

SINCE WE ARE LOOKING AT OLDER CARS LIKE THE F50 AND 959
DONT FORGET THE 1965 427SC COBRA?
0-60 IN 3.8 SECONDS!!!..

 

[CAS]

I think you should clarify if you are talking current production cars or past production cars; makes a big difference in the #'s. Ah, the Diablo 6.0 is faster, and the standard Porsche Turbo is faster too. Also, what mag are you using? Car and Driver usually has slower (maybe more accurate) stats, because Motor Trend tested a 360 Modena at 3.9 0-60, and the Viper at 4.1.

Just a thought...

 

[Jerry Horton]

I think the TVR Tuscan S does it in 3.9, and the Ultima does it in 3.3 with an LS6 crate motor.

 

[Snakester]

I don't think that it's good to count in cars that are so rare that we will most likely we will never see them (less than 250 imported a year).

There are a bunch of McLarens, Ultimas, TVRs, MegaBusas and such that will do sub-4 seconds to 60.

And super rare, expensive cars like the F50, Mosler, Saleen S7, Koenigsegg are lighter and faster but so pricey and so few, that it's a stretch to call them "production cars".

Shelby lists their Series 1 at 4.4 to 60 and 12.8@109 in the 1/4, and real 427 Cobras (not kits) hit 60 in just under 5 seconds, and the 1/4 at mid 12s, mostly because of their bias-ply 60's tires.

Tuner and kit cars are another animal as well.

So I'd also go with the GT2 and Murcielago as being sub 4 second 0-60 cars that you could buy from a dealer in any big city.

Of course the Gen III SRT-10 and GT-40 are liable to be even quicker still.

-Dean.

 

[BlackACR]

You guys need to put down the magazines. I have raced a 01 993TT and a Ferrari Modena on the track. Neither of those cars have come close to my 0 to 60 or, even my quarter mile. Maybe with a Pro Driver in the seat they can get close to those times in the magazines. But,not in the reality that I'm in!!

 

[dancojax]

All my life, no matter what I was driving, some **** always walks over and tells me about his friend who knows someone who heard of someone who had seen a car that would just 'whup my *** '. Have finally learned just to tell them that I haven't found anyone faster, and that if they know of someone who thinks they are faster to just look me up, and I'll race him (legally, of course) title for title. Usually they just murmur and leave. Once in a while they tell me they have a neighbor who has a Viper that's really fast. I tell them yes, Vipers are pretty fast, but I'm not sure they can beat my GTS. End of story.

 

[Neil - UK]

the RS200 holds the official world record at 3.01 sec's and broke it about 10 years ago, there's a nice target to aim for.
There was a test last year when the megabussa did 2.8, but doesn't hold the record as at least 15 of them had to be on the road to qualify as a 'production' car

 

[2tall]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SapphireGTS:
Thats more than 2.

I have those same numbers.

You see the skidpad on the Mclaren?

Whats up with that?

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Please note my CAPITALIZED "CURRENT production cars" in the aforementioned statement.

I would also note "which are available to an american buyer without importing".

I also don't consider cars above $500K to be "production" cars.

 

[BlackACR]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 2tall:
Please note my CAPITALIZED "CURRENT production cars" in the aforementioned statement.

I would also note "which are available to an american buyer without importing".

I also don't consider cars above $500K to be "production" cars.


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Very good point!!!!

 

[MichaelP]

Interesting write up here. A little old but still entertaining.
http://popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars_trucks/1999/7/comparison_test_13_quickest_cars/print.phtml

 

[SapphireGTS]

This is always so funny.

Its always. "What production cars are faster than a viper"

That is vague but a valild question.

After weeding out all the $500K+ cars, cars no longer made, cars that are only in the US, and cars that are not extremely rare, we always come up with the Viper as the reigning king. Why do we do this. Im guilty too.

 

[Guibo]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SapphireGTS:


You see the skidpad on the Mclaren?

Whats up with that?

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Well, R&T which drove the F1 to .86g on the skidpad noted that the considerable understeer prevented them from really getting any better. On the road, the understeer was still there but less prevalent. And of course, one can always kick the back end out or drop the throttle a bit to help get the car pointed in the right direction. On a road course and with the a good driver at the wheel, I'm sure it will corner better than what its skidpad performance there indicates. I'm guessing fatter front tires (or different suspension settings) may decrease the understeer, but on a car without power steering designed to be driven on the street and not solely on the track, that may not be such a good thing.

Back to 0-60, there are currently 7-8 really good sources indicating a properly driven Viper will hit 60 in 4.1 seconds or less. Here are a few:
http://www.supras.com/sogi/generations/shootout.htm http://as.sd27.bc.ca/adamdavid/Viper.htm http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/roadt ests/1997/October/199710_roadtest_dodge_viperrt10.xml?&keywords=viper&page=5
http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt1925a.shtml

One can also look to C&D's 0-150 comparo, where the GTS does it in 3.9, a figure also matched by the GTS-R tested by MT for its Torque Monsters article. I've got those and can post 'em later, if anyone wants them.

Regarding the 360 Modena doing it in 3.92 seconds, this is true, but I've only seen it once. Most tests will have it hitting 60 in 4.2-4.5. Here's how it compares to the ACR (and the 996 TT, and the Shelby Series One) when tested on the same day: http://www.ultimateviper.com/docs/roadtests.html

Of course, the Viper beats all but the Shelby in the standing mile. So the contention that the Viper is one of the most potent production cars to 150 mph is valid. The RT/10 up there does it in 22.5 seconds, beating a 993 Turbo S also tested by C&D (23.4 seconds). I'm pretty sure a 996 TT is pretty close, if not slightly quicker. The 996 GT2 is almost in another league, with a time just below 19 seconds.

Still, the standing mile so far seems to belong to the Viper (best I've seen is a 30.1 sec @ 173 mph in MT).

Regarding the TVR's, I've yet to see a production Cerbera or Tuscan match its manufacturer's claims.

 

[SapphireGTS]

Come on Guibo. There is not room for logical or factual data on this page

 

[2tall]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SapphireGTS:
After weeding out all the $500K+ cars, cars no longer made, cars that are only in the US, and cars that are not extremely rare, we always come up with the Viper as the reigning king. Why do we do this. Im guilty too.
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Honestly? I think it's because people think new when they think "production" and think about their spot (ie, no REAL imports (ie the kind that you have to convert on your own), no $1,000,000 cars, etc...) instead of the whole she-bang.

In other words, cars that aren't race cars and are featured in american car magazines...

 

[Guibo]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SapphireGTS:
Come on Guibo. There is not room for logical or factual data on this page

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Oh, hey. Don't worry about it, I was still writing that essay up there while you posted.

Another one to look out for:
The SL55 AMG. According to some recent tests in Europe, this car beat the 550 Maranello, GT2, and Murcielago up to the 300 kmh mark. I think the Viper is safe up to 60 mph, though, as that Merc is something on the order of 2 tons. Once it gets moving though...
http://forums.mbnz.org/forums/r230/vthread.asp?messid=193
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[jcaspar1]

The SL55 may be faster but at the end of the day I still have a Viper and he still only has a benz!

 

[genXgts]

Here's a solid test of a 1997 GTS, how ironic that's the year I ended up getting!!

3.89 0-60

I guess it comes down to published numbers and real world numbers that know how to drive. The above test is pretty rare in print, sub 12's bone stock, no smooth tubes or K&N's.
Road and Track, Car and Driver all seem to run much slower, I've seen as bad as high 12's for a GENII......
The Viper is a tricky car to launch and therefore the times swing wildly, unlike say an AWD car, wring her to 4000 and side step the clutch. While this makes for good times, how many you can run before something gives is another discussion!
I'll keep the V10 thanks, off to the track soon for my own numbers, good or bad, they will be posted!

 

[Snakester]

There IS always someone faster. Frankly I'm not really worried about some guy in a GT2 or Lamborghini wanting to race, as the great 1/4 mile times of the Lambo are made by dropping the clutch at high RPM. Outside of journalists, most owners are not going to risk having to replace their clutch for $4000 just to prove that they are faster.

Most Exotic cars are bought for show, or as collector cars, so it's really rare to see them driven fast on the street, or on 1/4 mile tracks, although a few rich folk do run them on circuit tracks with success.

The cars that are most likely faster on the street are heavily modded Mustangs and such. These cars were not that fast stock, but are now thinly disguised race cars, often only capable of speed in a straight line. There are always exceptions though.

It's fun to see the sleepers at the track.

The Viper is faster than 99.9% of the traffic that we see on the street, and speed is only one component in what makes the Viper special.

-Dean.

 

[Snakester]

The SL55 has about the same performance up to about 130mph as the C5 Corvette, then afte that the ample power and low drag give it an edge.

But outside of the Autobahn, top speed is just for bragging rights (and the Merc has a speed limiter anyway), but it's a good deal slower to 60 and through the 1/4 mile than the Viper.

It makes the SL55 one heck of a quick luxury-sports car, but not nearly as quick as the Viper in normal (sub-150) speeds.

-Dean.

 

[Vreracing]

Since I feel I can get my Viper off the line with only minimal wheelspin, I may try selling a Screen play in Hollywood next.

 

[2tall]

I'll take one of each, thanks (though not this year).

But which to drive to work? They're both good. Do I want a little more head-turning or a little more comfort? hm...

 

[Tiepilot]

All my life, no matter what I was driving, some **** always walks over and tells me about his friend who knows someone who heard of someone who had seen a car that would just 'whup my *** '.

I just tell them "I get outrun all the time, wish I hadn't bought the High Output Diesel model".