I cant read anymore...... The viper just keeps getting its a*s waxed by the Z06 & Ford GT. I hate hearing from all my associates " Did you see all the tests with the new Viper, its No longer the King" Every magazine I read gets worst.
12/05 Car & Driver & Motor Trend........DC Please......Read
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BLUESNAKE367
Enthusiast
Just get out and drive your snake, the smiles and enjoyment make the bullshyt go away....
when the bowtie guys figure out there is nothing else they can do with there Z06 for hp gain, then they will realize they should of bought a Viper, we lack a little from the factory, but that is it, the Viper platform will allways be king, and what car guy does not like moding there car in some way...
I say, bring em on, and lets have some fun....
when the bowtie guys figure out there is nothing else they can do with there Z06 for hp gain, then they will realize they should of bought a Viper, we lack a little from the factory, but that is it, the Viper platform will allways be king, and what car guy does not like moding there car in some way...
I say, bring em on, and lets have some fun....
its ok I honestly believe the tests are fixed.
too much of a diff beteween tests and as far as most of the tests go the new coupe is slower then the SRT 10 and the z06 goes from a 4.3 0 - 60 ALL THE WAY down to a 3.4 (beating the ford GT) now thats a jump.
its all B.S. I ben the snake whips it on the streets
TRAMP 13
Enthusiast
I know I had a guy tell me today at lunch that he had read the same article in MT,and that the ZO6 beat the viper in about every test,I told him when he get one to bring it over and then let see what happens.He walk away.
Mopar426
Enthusiast
While I agree Who Gives a SH*! go out and enjoy your car
, you could not be more WRONG about the Z06 being at the HP limit. Dyno tests reveal 45RWHP with a set of headers alone, one look at them and you'll understand. Long tubes and a beefier cam and you're looking at 525RWHP on a stock headed engine.Having said that giver me a Gen II GTS ANYDAY
Mopar426
Enthusiast
It's a BIG HOAX GM paid off ALL the magazines, the New Z06 really runs 15's in the 1/4.
I know the times are all screwed up but the Viper is always posting the worst time. MT states " As speeds increase the Corvette's advantage widens. To hit 150 mph, th Viper needs 20.0 sec, the Z06 17.9. What a shame. Things like thi normally do not bother me if it was comming from a Lambo or Ferrari, but a vet
Mopar426
Enthusiast
Just remember competion is a good thing and that there is ALWAYS someone faster. Who cares if the Vette is faster, does that make your Viper any less of a car? As far as getting beat by a lesser car, do you think a Ferrari or a Lambo owner gives a sh*! if a Viper is faster? Of course not he's driving a Ferrai while the other is only guy is in a Viper. So why care if/when a Vette beats you?
vincent_esq
Viper Owner
Ditto what he said!
TRAMP 13
Enthusiast
heck there are motorcycles out there that will eat the viper gt40 and the zo6 for lunch,how many are going to buy one .
SnakeEye
Viper Owner
Here's hoping that someday soon DC will provide the option to get an added power fix factory direct...until then there's Paxton so no real need to sweat it.
you really shouldnt take it that way. what if dodge comes back with more hp and beats the z06 by a tenth or two... then people will be saying the same thing about the viper and so on. as far as the variations in magazines, r&t explained the reasoning behind their numbers and makes sense. as long as they perform them the same way for each car, it's all good.
because more and more magazines are showing the z06 on top... imo, i think that there is a new king in town. but i also have no doubt that the viper can come back out on top if dc does something and then hopefully chevy does the same and we keep it up until there is no advantage for the two-wheelers
also from what i've read, the z06 takes to modifying well.
it's all good.
like others said, take the car out for a drive and enjoy.
don
because more and more magazines are showing the z06 on top... imo, i think that there is a new king in town. but i also have no doubt that the viper can come back out on top if dc does something and then hopefully chevy does the same and we keep it up until there is no advantage for the two-wheelers
also from what i've read, the z06 takes to modifying well.
it's all good.
like others said, take the car out for a drive and enjoy.
don
Viperfreak2
Enthusiast
The new Z06 takes to modding well? I just read about one blowing the engine after a couple runs with NOS. Maybe the result of poor tuning...but if the guy spent +$70K on the car, you'd think he could afford to have a professional install and tune it.
how else do you explain such a huge diff in 0 - 60 and 1/4 mile times for the z06??? 4.3 to 3.4?? like i said before thats an evo to a saleen S7.
Also the crappy times for the coupe?? its getting slower times then the SRT/10 how is that possible?? did D.C. detune it? or ADD weight?? how could it be slower? how do you explain that one as well??
just those 3 things alone makes me think theres some B.S. going on theres no other way to explain it.
Quicksilver
Viper Owner
(yawn) I've said this before..... The problem is they're still Fords and Chevies.....
viperama
Enthusiast
Who cares?
A Viper is a Viper!
Toay,nobody turns head for a Corvette... but everybody does for a 7 year old GTS like mine.
And the Ford GT? Nice Car... but for this much Money i would like to see much better Performance or something else than a Ford sign on my Car. They are rare, so dont worry about that they are maybe a little bit faster.
Remember, more than 99,9% of all the People out there can just dream of a "slow" Viper... but YOU own one!
Be happy for that!
A Viper is a Viper!
Toay,nobody turns head for a Corvette... but everybody does for a 7 year old GTS like mine.
And the Ford GT? Nice Car... but for this much Money i would like to see much better Performance or something else than a Ford sign on my Car. They are rare, so dont worry about that they are maybe a little bit faster.
Remember, more than 99,9% of all the People out there can just dream of a "slow" Viper... but YOU own one!
Be happy for that!
Vintage Racer
Viper Owner
Was in a gas station this week in the Viper. Also present was newer Corvette. Three guys came over to talk about the Viper. Everybody ignored the 'Vette.
BTW, one of the three was the "Vette owner.
Hmmmm.
BTW, one of the three was the "Vette owner.
Hmmmm.
Just for kicks, do what I did a few weeks ago. Went to the Chevy dealer with my Viper and parked it right in front of the showroom and walked inside. Within ten minutes there were more than 6 people gathered around my car !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I then came back out.
I stood back and listened to the conversation. Everybody said the VIPER was a great looking car, much better than the Vette. One of those guys was a Corvette salesman and he agreed with the other customers. Guess what at that point I couldn't have cared less if my Viper was 250 HP
As far as I was concerned I was King of the Hill. I bought my Viper 4 months ago when everyone was saying that the Z06 was faster than the Viper. I still bought the Viper,
what does that tell you.I say this to some of you malcontents if your not happy with the Viper then go buy your Z06. What are you waiting for GET GOING!!!!!!!!!!!!
I stood back and listened to the conversation. Everybody said the VIPER was a great looking car, much better than the Vette. One of those guys was a Corvette salesman and he agreed with the other customers. Guess what at that point I couldn't have cared less if my Viper was 250 HP
As far as I was concerned I was King of the Hill. I bought my Viper 4 months ago when everyone was saying that the Z06 was faster than the Viper. I still bought the Viper,
what does that tell you.I say this to some of you malcontents if your not happy with the Viper then go buy your Z06. What are you waiting for GET GOING!!!!!!!!!!!!
12/05 ROAD & TRACK:
*0-60 mph
ZO6(1st gear) - 3.9 sec.
Viper(2nd gear) - 4.2 sec.
*0-100 mph
ZO6 - 8.8 sec.
Viper - 9.3 sec.
*1/4 mile
ZO6 - 12.2 @ 120.7 mph
Viper - 12.3 @ 118.3 mph
"The personalities of the Vette and the Viper couldn't be more different. The Viper has always been big and hairy--a man's car. If Ernest Hemingway were alive today, he'd drive a Viper. The Viper feels more race car than street car. The Viper, with its huge tires, roaring V-10 and forgiving chassis puts on a good show, and if anything, emerges as the more entertaining track car of the two. The ZO6 has moved closer to the European ideal of sports-car performance, the Viper emphasizes its American roots. And while the Viper is pricey compared with the Corvette, there will be far fewer Dodges on the road. That exclusivity coupled with the fact that it takes real skill to drive a Viper hard means this isn't a car for everyone...just as it's meant to be." R & T
vipermansrt04
Enthusiast
Ya , and you are still driving a dodge pal.Its guys like you that make this forum what it is .
4.3 is what a regular plain jane Corvette runs 0-60. Add 100 hp (that is a 25% increase in power), better meats and lighter weight and 3.4 seems much more realistic.
Yes the coupe weighs more than the SRT-10. But it will be a much better track car than the SRT-10 for the added stiffness it gives.
Besides, these times are NOT written in stone, they are magazine times. Noone is going to get the same performance every time. They are only general performance numbers, rough estimates based on a few runs.
I also love the magazine quote about the price difference, the Z06 being less. But what they don't tell you is that Vipers are selling for ~$20k less than invoice and Z06's are selling for $20-30k over invoice, that's reality. That argument now falls in the Vipers favor and changes the whole price point argument. I know this may be no solice to some, but in 2 cars that are essentially performance equals, I'll take the Viper (SRT-10 convertible), save myself some money and have the much more rare car and the clear head turner.
If SRT-10 owners worry about losing by a car length or 2 in the 1/4, just put on a supercharger. $7800 if you do the work yourself, $10300k installed and you don't have to worry anymore. Done. Now was that so hard.
Again I have no idea why i'm replying to Vette lover boy known as Mopar426,on a side note why not have your name be Chebby350??? Just a thought since your chebbys personal cheerleader anyway back to what I was going to say if you would have read the ENTIRE post from above he said our PLATFORM is far superior which it is and can't be denied...for God's sake we have 2 more cylinders!!!
While I agree Who Gives a SH*! go out and enjoy your car
Having said that giver me a Gen II GTS ANYDAY
2k1droptop
Enthusiast
I agree, it is just a Dodge. Why do people have to make comments like this. It makes this forum look bad. I like and enjpy all sports cars.
I understand the point but the Viper (in most mag tests anyway) is getting LOWER 1/4 times AND SLOWER 0 - 60 then the SRT 10.
Exactly 4.3 is the plain jane vette so why are some mags getting it on the new Z06? and others 3.4 on the same car thats a huge diff and makes it look like the vette was "done up" a little just for the tests.
I thought the coupe was slightly lighter not heavier but I may be wrong.
Some of these same mags that are getting 4.2 and 4.1 - 0 - 60 for the new coupe , got 3.9 and 3.8 for the SRT 10 that really makes no sense to me.
not to mention, it won't matter anyways, you gusy see the vid of the new Z06 racing and blew the motor???
1st vid of the car racing (that I know of) and it blows its brand new motor, thats gotta get some car sales lined up for sure.
1st vid of the car racing (that I know of) and it blows its brand new motor, thats gotta get some car sales lined up for sure.
xanadu
Enthusiast
<font color="blue"> I think it should have read . . . "The Viper has always been a man's car, and when Ernest Hemingway was alive, he always liked big and hairy men".</font>
Please tell me that was funny. I'm cracking myself up.
Viperfreak2
Enthusiast
Stugots, can you post a link to that video?
S
sachin
Guest
The guy was running nitrous on an untuned engine. There is no software to tune the C6 Z06 motor yet so running nitrous is bound to mess up the engine.
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