2 PERFECT 01 RT-10s ON EBAY! HIGH BIDS ONLY $52K AND $49K! PRICES ARE GETTING UGLY!!!

[EXECMALIBU]

VIPAH,

NEWS FLASH!!

DEALERS AND OTHERS HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO ASK THOUSANDS OF $$$
OVER MSRP FOR HIGH DEMAND RARE CARS!!

JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION THERE ARE LOTS OF VERY RICH AND POWERFUL PEOPLE THAT WILL PAY THE PRICE!! BUT YOUR ARE OBVIOUSLY SMARTER THAN THEY ARE..

APPARENTLY THE ORIGINAL OWNER OF MY (HONDA) IS RICH AND SAW THE CAR AND PAID LESS THAN THE $5K OVER MSRP THAT HIS LOCAL DEALER WAS ASKING..HE SAID THAT HE JUST WROTE A CHECK ON THE SPOT...I AGREE THAT HE COULD HAVE CHECKED OUT OF STATE PROBABLY FOUND A 2001 RT-10 FOR LESS THAN MSRP IN MID 2001 BUT HE WANTED IT THAT DAY!..

IN 1992 RT-1Os WERE SELLING EVERY DAY FOR $50,000+ OVER MSRP..

1989 PORSCHE SPEEDSTER I SOLD AT $25,OOO OVER MSRP AFTER 6 MONTHS.
2000 BMW Z-8 SOLD FOR $125,000 OVER MSRP
2002 FERRARI 360 MODENA ARE SELLING AT $50,000 OVER MSRP
1998 FERRARI 355 SPIDERS ARE SELLING FOR WHAT THEY COST NEW!
2003 MERCEDES SL500 ARE $5,000-10,000+ OVER MSRP..

ACCORDING TO YOU ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BUYING A NEW SRT AT MSRP ARE STUPID..


YOU SHOULD TELL ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE OFFERING TO SELL JUST THE OPTION TO BUY AN SRT AT $5,000-$10,000+ THAT THEY WILL NEVER GET A DIME OVER MSRP...

ACCORDING TO YOU ANYONE THAT BUYS A POSITION IS A *****..

IT SURE TAKES ONE TO KNOW ONE...

 

[pj]

A car is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it - what you paid for it (or what the MSRP is) has NOTHING to do with resale value.

Just ask Remster.

And - if you paid MSRP, you didnt buy from Bill Pemberton at Woodhouse!

 

[vipah]

No, according to me YOU are a *****.

You don't pay over MARKET value for something. If you do that is stupid.

So when you are trying to calculate value you need to go by MARKET value of a commodity, not what some idiot paid for it.

With your logic if someone were to pay $100k for a can of coke and then sold it for $1.00 then the can of coke lost $99.999k in value. In reality they were just stupid!

Read this a few times slowly, or have your mom or dad try to explain it.

By the way, can you put me in touch with some of these rich and powerful people that like to spend more than something is worth. I have a lot of stuff they may be interested in.

 

[jpa99acr]

I bought my ACR on eBay, the seller was new (had only 1 feedback), but was a car dealer... I checked everything out first, FLEW OUT to Boston, had the car checked out by a local Chrysler dealership prior to purchasing. It all checked out great. I ended up getting my baby for $48K, which was an awesome price at the time.. now it seems it's the going price on eBay, one just ended yesterday for $49K (reserve not met though). Same year and mileage (22K), but red with no stripes.

eBay is a buyers market right now, no question about it! Can get some great deals if you do your homework first! Don't make ANY kind of deposit if you can get by without doing so... nothing beats buying the car in person. If you do make a deposit, be sure and use a credit card. At least that way you have some recourse if the deal goes south!

 

[EXECMALIBU]

VIPAH,

MAYBE IF YOU UNDERSTOOD SOME OF THE CONCEPTS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT YOU WOULD NOT LOOK SO **** STUPID...

WHY DO YOU THINK THAT ORIGINAL ART IS SO VALUABLE? IT IS JUST PAINT AND CANVAS THAT CAN BE EASILY REPRODUCED!

IF YOU UNDERSTOOD BASIC ECONOMICS AND THE SUPPLY AND DEMAND THEORY YOU COULD COMPREHEND SOME OF THESE COMPLICATED CONCEPTS..

IT IS A WELL KNOW FACT THAT OFTEN WHEN A HIGHER THAN MARKET BID IS MADE FOR A UNIQUE OBJECT THIS WILL OFTEN IMMEDIATELY BRING THE WHOLE MARKET VALUE UP..

USING YOUR EXAMPLE..

IF THEY ANNOUCED THAT COKE WAS NEVER AGAIN TO BE SOLD IN CANS AND SOME PERSON PAID 1 MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE VERY LAST CAN OFF THE ASSEMBLY LINE WOULD HE HAVE OVER PAID??? NOT IF SOMEONE ELSE BID $999K OR IF HE SOLD THE CAN FOR MORE THAN A MILLION!!! HOW MUCH IS THE SECOND TO LAST CAN WORTH?? A FOOL LIKE YOU WOULD PROBABLY ONLY OFFER $1 BECAUSE IT IS JUST A CAN OF COKE??

AGAIN USING THE THEORY OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND IS A 71 HEMI CUDA CONV. WORTH 1 MILLION DOLLARS??

IT WAS TO SOMEONE AND NOW ALL OF THE OTHER HEMI CUDAS ARE WORTH MORE!!

YOU PROBABLY CANT AFFORD REAL ESTATE OR YOU WOULD KNOW THAT ALL REAL ESTATE VALUES HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ESTABLISHED BY WHAT PEOPLE WILL PAY FOR A SIMILIAR PROPERTY IN THE AREA..

 

[Patrick99gts]

Y2KGTS,
I never ment to insult you by saying the new SRT is ugly. But it is. It looks like a freakin HONDA S2000. I personally think it is a disgrace to the name viper. I don't really care if it has better brakes, seats, etc. Even when the poll was conducted on this board it was something like 215 vs 30 voters against the SRT. .

 

[vipah]

***** Exec,

You prove my point. You are clearly as dumb as a rock and prove it every time you post.

These cars are commodity items, and you can buy them from dealers at a few thousand above invoice. Is this really that hard for you to comprehend? That sets the MARKET value.

Go back and get an education so we can have a real discussion you stupid ****.

Comparing a 2001 Viper to a one of a kind piece of art is the most moronic thing you could have said. Well, maybe not for you.

Try and post something intelligent for once will you. You don't even have basic logic down.

Now get back to work, someone needs fries with that burger!

You are right about one thing, supply and demand sets the MARKET value. And the MARKET value for new vipers in 2002/2001 was in the $68k range and if you paid more you are STUPID. Go to your favorite site, Ebay and learn about supply and demand.

There is another saying you need to be aware of: "There is a sucker born every minute". That would be the person paying more than MARKET value for something. If you pay more for something when you can go down the street and buy the exact same thing for a cheaper price on a regular basis, YOU PAID TOO MUCH.

You are a real twit. I have some real estate I would love to sell you. It is worth $20M, but I'll give you a deal and sell it to you for $25M!!

 

[Makara]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EXECMALIBU:


IF THEY ANNOUCED THAT COKE WAS NEVER AGAIN TO BE SOLD IN CANS AND SOME PERSON PAID 1 MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE VERY LAST CAN OFF THE ASSEMBLY LINE WOULD HE HAVE OVER PAID??? NOT IF SOMEONE ELSE BID $999K OR IF HE SOLD THE CAN FOR MORE THAN A MILLION!!! HOW MUCH IS THE SECOND TO LAST CAN WORTH??...

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So what if cap locks were no longer made for keyboards? How much would this thread be worth?

 

[NDW]

In the words of someone, "Can't we all just get along?"

 

[Craig 201 MPH]

Hey Exec,

Have you applied to DeVry yet? BEtter hurry, classes are filling up!

 

[speedshftr]

last december i bought a 2000 rt 10 with 9500 miles for 57800.
two weeks ago i bought a 99 rt 10 with 6500 miles for 50k.
i buy all my cars to run and run hard.
there not garage furniture.if your going to worry about the loss ect you better get out now.cars = fun to me .
what else besides sex can make you feel the way the viper does when you win a race or get the tourqe hooked up to the ground?that alone is worth any loss i will incurr when i upgrade ect.
enjoy your money now cause when you die they will spend it faster than you will be able to imagine.

 

[EXECMALIBU]

VIPAH,

YOU KEEP CALLING ME A *****??

OBVIOUSLY CANT READ OR DONT UNDERSTAND ENGLISH!!!

I..DID..NOT..BUY..THE..CAR..FOR.. MSRP!!!

THE PREVIOUS OWNER DID!!!!!!!

WHICH DEALERS WILL SELL A NEW SRT OR A 2002 ACR FOR $3,000 OVER INVOICE??

LET ME KNOW..

 

[Janni]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EXECMALIBU:
snipped to get to stuff I actually careto respond to...


WHICH DEALERS WILL SELL A NEW SRT OR A 2002 ACR FOR $3,000 OVER INVOICE??

LET ME KNOW..


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MANY dealers are selling the SRT/10s at a $1K or less over invoice. The certificate holders could go to any dealer they wanted to - and therefore - held the negotiating power.

At this time, we just recently had a Carolinas Region member pick up a brand new 2002 ACR (from a dealer) for UNDER invoice. Other dealers here on the board are selling new rts and GTSs and ACRs for just a little over invoice.

There may still be folks paying a "premium" for these cars, but that's only becasue they lack basic shopping skills, not because that's where the market is....

 

[RedGTS]

EXEC: ALL YOUR CAPS R BELONG TO US!

 

[vipah]

Exec,

You said you could have bought your car for $10k less if you waited which would have brought your savings to $28k, or something to that effect. You proceeded to argue that the car had lost that much in value. All I was doing was showing that your math wasn't correct and the starting point needed to be MARKET value at the time it was first sold, not what someone paid for it.

If you really want the best deal, talk to Bill Pemberton at Woodhouse. He will give you the right price.

 

[Craig 201 MPH]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EXECMALIBU:
VIPAH,

YOU KEEP CALLING ME A *****??

OBVIOUSLY CANT READ OR DONT UNDERSTAND ENGLISH!!!

I..DID..NOT..BUY..THE..CAR..FOR.. MSRP!!!

THE PREVIOUS OWNER DID!!!!!!!

WHICH DEALERS WILL SELL A NEW SRT OR A 2002 ACR FOR $3,000 OVER INVOICE??

LET ME KNOW..


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Our dealer sold us our 94 RT/10 for $500 over invoice..
sold us our 96 GTS for $500 over invoice....
is selling us 2 SRT's for $500 over invoice each....


Any consumer with the intelligence of a fly knows to shop around or you pay for your impatience.

 

[kARLUG]

As stated before, its mainly due to a weak economy.
Luxury items always seem to take a "hard hit" during
a downturn. I didn't buy my RT-10 for an investment but
I think that as time goes by all Vipers will hold their
value. They are limited production, exotic cars and
the law of supply/demand will prevail. Everything
has its cycle; stocks, art, Rolex watches, etc.
How about California real estate, there have been
wild swings in the market and it always seems to bounce
back. I totally enjoy my RT-10 and don't worry about
resale. If you take good care of your car and plan to
keep it for a while, I think that you will see the prices go
back up. Vipers have intrinsic value. Enjoy your toy!!

 

[Snake Bitten]

MY CAPS LOCK BUTTON IS STUCK, AND I CAN'T GET UP!

 

[EXECMALIBU]

VIPAH,
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH MOST OF WHAT YOU SAY..

I RESEARCHED VIPERS FOR MONTHS BEFORE I DECIEDED THAT THE 2001 RT-10 IN SHAPIRE BLUE WAS THE BEST CAR ...I CHECKED THE INTERNET,EBAY AND RATTLED EVERY CAGE FROM WOODHOUSE (IT WAS PEMBERTON WHO CONVINCED ME TO GET THE 01 WITH ABS!!) TO BUHLER AND EVERY ONE IN BETWEEN TRYING TO GET THE BEST DEAL ON A 2001..

ALL OF THE CARS I FOUND IN IN SO CAL WERE BEING OFFERED IN THE FULL MSRP+ RANGE..EVEN WHEN I TOLD THEM ABOUT CARS LISTED AT BELOW INVOICE BECAUSE OF THE DC HOLD BACK THE LOCAL DEALERS WOULD NOT BUDGE AT ALL...(THIS WAS THE LOCAL MARKET PRICE!!)

I FINALLY FOUND MY CAR AND PAID AROUND $18K BELOW MSRP FOR A SLIGHTLY USED PERFECT 2001 VIPER LOCATED IN THE MID-WEST.( TOTALLY DIFFERANT MARKET)

MY POINT IS AT THE TIME IN EARLY 2002 THERE WERE A NUMBER OF LOCAL DEALERS WHO ABSOLUTELY REFUSED TO DISCOUNT THE CARS AND SOME EVEN WANTED OVER MSRP!

ASSUMING THAT A BUYER WAS NOT WELL INFORMED OR REFUSED TO TRAVEL TO ANOTHER CITY OR STATE TO BUY A CAR..(MOST CAR BUYERS WILL ONLY TRAVEL A MAXIUMUM OF 1-2 HOURS EVEN FOR A GOOD DEAL)

THERE WOULD BE NO CHOICE BUT FOR THAT BUYER TO PAY FULL MSRP LOCALLY..SINCE ALL OF THE LOCAL CARS ARE SOLD THEY MUST HAVE FOUND RETAIL BUYERS..


WHAT DID SURPRISE ME THOUGH WAS THE FACT THAT I WRONGLY ASSUMED THAT ALL OF THE INITIAL DEPRECIATION EXPECTED WITH A NEW CAR HAD ALREADY OCCURED WHEN I BOUGHT IT AT THE $18,000 DISCOUNT..

TO WATCH THE EXACT SAME CARS CONTINUE TO PLUMIT ANOTHER $10K IN VALUE IN LESS THAN 4 MONTHS WAS SCARY..

.THE ECONOMY HAS NOT CHANGED MUCH IN THE LAST 4-6 MONTHS ..MAYBE IT EVEN GOT A BIT BETTER?? STOCKS ARE UP!

TRUST ME I HAVE 15 OTHER EXOTIC CARS AND CAN EASILY AFFORD THE $10K HIT BUT I DONT HAVE TO LIKE IT!!...

I ALSO HAVE NO INTEREST IN SELLING ANY OF MY CARS ..

 

[Y2K5SRT]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Patrick99gts:
Y2KGTS,
I never ment to insult you by saying the new SRT is ugly. But it is. It looks like a freakin HONDA S2000. I personally think it is a disgrace to the name viper. I don't really care if it has better brakes, seats, etc. Even when the poll was conducted on this board it was something like 215 vs 30 voters against the SRT.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Patrick -

No insult taken, just pointing out that some could be offended. I don't want to hijack this thread (at least we aren't accusing each other of being "morons"

), but will add a couple more comments. [SOAPBOX] Again, I won't disagree with the looks at all. I don't think it is ugly by any means, but it definitely doesn't scream "Viper" like the current cars. Of course, I would also point out two interesting things:

1. Most owners tend to love the Competition Coupe/ GTS-R concept. Newsflash: It is an SRT with a fixed roof and a few aerodynamic additions around the bottom and back of the car. See for yourself:

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2. Is the new car really that drastically different from the old one? "Disgrace to the name Viper"? I would say that they are pretty darn close to one another, with the 2003 showing better fit and finish even in these photos:

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The poll asked about the looks and looks alone. It also tended to compare the looks of the GTS to the SRT, in which case the majority, including myself and the car mags, favor the GTS. Now, what are the majority of the discussions about on these boards? Performance. Not a lot of discussion on looks, but rather how to make the current cars faster, better braking, and better road holding. The SRT delivered all of that in spades. I also shudder to think that as the SRT is KILLING the Z06 in road tests (which even the ACR couldn't come close on brakes), that Viper owners could turn away and say, "No, that isn't a real Viper." I would think this should represent one of the prouder moments in Viper history as performance goes, as the Viper is finally being compared with true Supercars - which never really happened with the GTS or any other. The current Vipers seem to get grouped with the Corvettes and Mustangs, while the SRT seems to be mentioned more often with Ferrari and Porsche.

Whew! I really DID digress and for that I apologize. My point is simply that as Viper owners, we should respect one another. I don't see the Stingray owners dissing the C5 owners - they stick together as Corvette owners. With a considerably smaller group of owners, I would hope that we will stick together regardless of what "version" of Viper we own. [/SOAPBOX]

I will move this post to the SRT section pretty quick (not the whole thread) so as to stay on topic. Thanks!

Chris

 

[Patrick99gts]

Y2KGTS,
I apologize and will try not to diss the SRT. I will keep my opinions to myself.
Patrick

 

[Vic]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Y2KGTS:

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Chris, the way the RTs picture is taken makes it look smaller and darker than the SRT.

The SRT photo was taken so that the nose appears tipped downwards, so the hood catches more light, which makes the SRT look brighter that the RT in the photo.

Also, the angle the SRT photo was taken at makes the SRT look bigger, bolder. The pictures' angle shows more of the top of the car, as well as the side, which makes it fill up the frame more fully, in the vertical axis. This makes the SRT look fuller and stronger in the photo, when compared to the RT.

(New can of beans,.....old can of beans....Which can of beans looks better to you? That old can of beans looks small and dark. Probably rotten. Mmmmmmmmm, I'll take that new healthy looking can of beans.)

Oddly enough, I saw another media image from Dodge, (probably just a coincidence), where the current GTS was shown behind the SRT, and the GTS was at the same angle, relative to the SRT, as shown in the pictures above. Also-the GTS was made to look smaller and darker! I know, I know, just a co-inky-dink.

I like the SRT in black. Hope it kicks butt around the world on the track, and in the street.

-Vic

 

[Craig 201 MPH]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EXECMALIBU:
VIPAH

I GUESS YOU FLUNKED FIRST GRADE MATH AND READING..

I WILL LIST FOR YOU SO YOU CAN HAVE SOMEONE ELSE EXPLAIN SLOOOWLY WHAT ALL THESE NUMBERS MEAN..

1)THE MSRP ON THE 2001 WINDOW STICKER $75,750
2)MOST STATES HAVE A 5-9% TAX/LICENSE FEE $ 5,000(EST)
3)DEALER ADD ONS (FLOOR MATS,OTHER MISC) $ 200(EST)


TOTAL LIST PRICE OF A NEW 2001 VIPER (OUT THE DOOR) $80,950(EST)

I SAID THAT THE ORIGINAL OWNER TOOK A MINIMUN $18,000 HIT IN THE FIRST 8 MONTHS WHEN HE SOLD THE CAR IN MAY 2002.

IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE SMARTER THAN YOU SUBTRACT $18,000 FROM $80,950 THEY WILL GET $62,950

NOT THE $50,000 THAT YOU MENTIONED..

PLEASE HAVE SOMEONE READ TO YOU AND EXPLAIN WHAT THIS MEANS!

I SAID THAT I COULD HAVE SAVED ANOTHER $10,000 IF I HAD WAITED 4-6 MONTHS. SINCE THE 2001 RT-10s ARE NOW SELLING IN THE $52,000 PRICE RANGE.
$62,950
-$10,000
_______________ $ $52,950.

I HOPE THIS IS NOT TO COMPLICATED FOR YOU!


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You must be registered for see images

So you bought at the wong time, deal with it.

WAR COMBOVERS WHO VALUATE THEIR ASSETS ON EBAY!

 

[vipah]

EXEC,

You continue to show your ignorance.

NO ONE with half a brain pays MSRP, so it is the wrong starting point. You need to have someone explain how to calculate a valuation. You don't start at a hypothetical point and subtract from there. So what did you supposedly pay for your RT?

You are a complete *****.

If you would like me to come by and explain things in person let me know. You could certainly use the education. Do you want to drive your Honda here or should I meet you in Malibu? But I'll try a bit here:

Typical cost new: $68k (probably a bit less in fact)
What you "paid" a year leter: $63k
Tax is irrelevant.

This equates to a change in value for the orginal owner of $5k or about 8%. Good thing he found a sucker like you to buy it!

LMAO

Dope! You need to finish 8th grade befor posting on this board again. Go tell your mommy and daddy to proof your work before you post.