2003 Viper Review, you'll like this quote:)

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2003 Viper Review, you\'ll like this quote:)

This is a quote from a 2003 Viper review:

"The Viper V-10 is teamed with a 6-speed manual. No automatic. Never had one, never will if Dodge wants to keep its loyalists from storming the doors in protest. An automatic is for the Corvette crowd."

Of course Supras came in with autos too so I guess I should be "insulted" too
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Here's the link to the article and the rest of the artilcle below that.
http://www.auto.com/reviews/viper17_20021217.htm

CHICAGO -- The 2003 Dodge Viper is the best rendition of the sports car that bowed in the 1992 model year.

The 8.3-liter, 20-valve V-10 now delivers an awesome 500 horsepower, a considerable upgrade from the mere 400 h.p. in the original.

And the V-10 develops 525 foot-pounds of slap-you-back-in-the-seat torque, a much more than modest upgrade from the 450 foot-pounds of torque in the original.

The '03 Viper SRT-10 is the first product of Chrysler Group's new Performance Vehicle Operations. It will be followed by a turbocharged, 215-h.p. SRT-4 version of the Dodge Neon early next year and an SRT-10 version of the Dodge Ram pickup that comes out sometime next year and shares the 500-h.p. V-10 with Viper.

Dodge will start delivering the Viper SRT-10 in January after the Environmental Protection Agency gives the car its official mileage rating.

Hop in, turn the key, press the starter button and enjoy the rumble coming from under the hood.

It's powerful and certainly visually appealing thanks to tweaks that refine the traditional design cues, such as the swept-back fenders and deep-cut side scallops, without diminishing any of the Viperness that had folks sending the automaker blank checks from Day One.

Ride is a tad stiff and handling requires some steering effort, but that's how Dodge and its Viper following want it. This isn't an everyday commuter. Isn't supposed to be.

Viper is still a high-performance image car, a niche it hasn't strayed from since it bowed in '92. Some loyal fanatics still grouse that it could use more power, because, they contend, you can never have too much.

The Viper V-10 is teamed with a 6-speed manual. No automatic. Never had one, never will if Dodge wants to keep its loyalists from storming the doors in protest. An automatic is for the Corvette crowd.

It comes with four-wheel anti-lock brakes, but no traction control nor 'Vette-like stability control.

Only concessions to civility in a machine that originally came without top or side windows are standard air conditioning, power windows/door locks, power mirrors, power adjustable brake/gas pedals and AM/FM radio with CD player. The air bags have a cutoff switch for the passenger side.

There's a power outlet for your cell phone, but if you travel with a beverage, bring along a passenger to hold the cup, can or bottle.

For '03, rather than coupe and roadster there's but one model, a convertible that, in meeting the Viper philosophy of keeping it simple, is manually operated.

The top can be lowered/raised fairly easily by one person and, unlike the foldable softtop in prior years, doesn't require that all hands first read, then reread the directions.

The Viper SRT-10 has a base price of $79,995. Add $800 for freight and a gas-guzzler tax. The amount of the tax will depend on the final EPA rating, but it's not likely Viper will top the 11 m.p.g. city/21 m.p.g. highway figure that earned the '02 a $3,000 guzzler penalty.

There basically is only one drawback to the '03 Viper. Most of the unwashed masses can't buy one. Even most of the washed masses with $80,000 in hand plus change to cover the guzzler tax won't be able to buy one, either.

Sorry, all 1,800 to be built have been gobbled up by 1,800 chaps and chapettes among the roughly 14,000 who already own a Viper.

Dodge gave current owners first crack at the new vehicle, and 1,800 took it up on an offer they simply couldn't refuse.

Dodge says it has no plans to repeat the offer for '04.

First chance non Viper Owners Club members will have to get a copy of the 500-h.p. machine will be in the 2004 model year.

Though the sales numbers are low, Dodge says Viper will play an even more important role over the next few years as the division offers a wider array of performance cars.

Viper is the halo machine for the SRT lineup to attract folks into showrooms, where they'll pay homage to Viper, but drive away in a more affordable Dodge Neon SRT-4 or Dodge Ram SRT-10 or a high-performance Dodge Charger.

Keep in mind, notes Jim Schroer, executive vice president of global sales and marketing, that between the SRT-4 and SRT-10 there are other numbers capable of SRT status -- such as 6 and 8, with 8 also carrying a Hemi designation.

The '03 Viper SRT-10 isn't a car for everybody, which certainly should cheer those 1,800 who will get one. 2003 Dodge Viper SRT-10

Wheelbase: 98.8 inches

Length: 175.6 inches

Engine: 8.3-liter, 500-h.p. V-10

Transmission: 6-speed manual

Fuel economy: Not available

Base price: $79,995

Price as tested: $79,995. Add an undetermined gas-guzzler tax and $800 for freight.

Pluses: The V-10 with its 500 h.p. and 525 foot-pounds of torque. Exceptional styling. With such low volume, a very image-conscious niche vehicle. As crude as Corvette is civil.

Minuses: As crude as 'Vette is civil. Have to wait to get one. The not available noted above.

December 17, 2002
 

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Re: 2003 Viper Review, you\'ll like this quote:)

When the story appeared in the Chicago paper they had a Vett review directly following it. It was nice to see a writer get it! He made it clear that these are two very different cars for two very different owners!
 
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Yeah I like the "stability control" dig too
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Steve Ferguson:
When the story appeared in the Chicago paper they had a Vett review directly following it. It was nice to see a writer get it! He made it clear that these are two very different cars for two very different owners!

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Re: 2003 Viper Review, you\'ll like this quote:)

Steve, here's the back-to-back reviews you mentioned:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/classified/automotive/columnists/chi-0212150057dec15,0,3169917.column

"You'd think that since Chevy had 49 years to prepare for this model, there would have been a knock-your-socks-off limited-edition version in which badges and embroidery were secondary to let-it-all-hang-out performance.... Oh, well, Chevy has 49 more years to prepare for the 100th anniversary model."
 

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Re: 2003 Viper Review, you\'ll like this quote:)

Very interesting! And since it is about the SRT, I am going to respectfully move it over to that forum for additional comment.

Chris
 

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Re: 2003 Viper Review, you\'ll like this quote:)

As far as an automatic goes, the 1998 Viper sales brouchure pretty much told it like it is:

"Continuing the serious sports car theme is the one and only serious sports car transmission, a fully-synchronized 6-speed manual. If you prefer an automatic, your choice will have to be something less than this world championship sports car."
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Supra:

power adjustable brake/gas pedals

There's a power outlet for your cell phone
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*** is with these two candyassed features? It may not be a cup holder but sheesh a cell phone outlet??? Who was the whimp that wanted that?
 

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Re: 2003 Viper Review, you\'ll like this quote:)

Good article. Steve, did you have on a Viper tie????

I liked the quote from you saying we are a very vocal group. How true!!!
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck 98 RT/10:
*** is with these two candyassed features? It may not be a cup holder but sheesh a cell phone outlet??? Who was the whimp that wanted that?

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My guess would be Red5.
 

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Re: 2003 Viper Review, you\'ll like this quote:)

The latest device that many of the exotic cars like Ferrari, Maserati, etc are being equiped with, usually on an optional basis is the Formula One shifter (paddle wheel on the steering wheel. No clutch pedal. Some of the test reports that the cars aare faster on acceleration with this type shifter that with a standard type. Seems to be all the rage. A side benifit is if you are traffic you can put the tranny in an "Automatic Mode" until you get free. So what dl you think. Should we ask Dodge to engineer one of these into the Viper as an optional transmission or just stay with the old mixmaster? Just a thought!
 

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Re: 2003 Viper Review, you\'ll like this quote:)

Keep it rude and crude Fred. But obviously the end is near. It's bad enough that the new style is un-inspiring but whoever decided to put a cell phone outlet in it should be fired. I suspect in ten years the next generation Viper will have heated seats, cruise, active suspension, etc. but they'll use the "no cupholder" rule as their claim to "a no BS, strictly race" car.

It was a great ten years.
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Hello;

I have a wussy confession to make concerning something I wanted on the new SRT.

I wanted a 3 button programmable remote control for garages/gates etc to eliminate carrying 3 remote controls. Clipped on your visor, those suckers fly off under quick acceleration and whack you/passengers in the face. I even had one fly out my drivers side window turning right onto an entrance ramp. It was a pain to retrieve it before it got crushed in rush hour traffic.

Heck, that is a lot more practical to me than electric pedals, and weighs alot less. You know how generous the storage space was in gen I and Gen II (obviously joking). It was just a pain to find the right remote at the time you needed it and keep the hands on the wheel of the "ever so easy to wander" Viper.

Well, that's my wussy confession. Please forgive my request for this un-needed luxury. Oh, by the way, I have the steering wheel "paddle shift" things in my Audi Allroad, and I really don't get much if any benefit when I use them. The "Sport Mode" auto tranny kicks in quickly and nannies the revs anyway. It is obviously not a Ferarri or a Viper in the performance arena, but still is a spunky turbo that moves.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jwwiii:
I have a wussy confession to make concerning something I wanted on the new SRT.
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Knowing it is half the battle to rehab. I have a wussy confession concerning the Viper also but after all the wussy-bashing I do I would never reveal what it is.
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The only one I would have (if I had a Viper that is
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) would be ABS, and that's already available in newer models. I for one love the fact that the Viper is "raw" and all about "brute" force, big cubes, big tires, big fun
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck 98 RT/10:
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Knowing it is half the battle to rehab. I have a wussy confession concerning the Viper also but after all the wussy-bashing I do I would never reveal what it is.
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If they ever take away the MAN vs MACHINE aspect it would cease to be a Viper....It would be a Porsche or Vette....Great cars but for the masses...Thats what makes the Viper so unique and desirable in my opinion......You have to have skills to pilot it.You have to conquer it before you are comfortable around it.Those pansys that cant buy Vettes
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j/k..Guess Im a pansy since Im about to buy a C5[cant afford GTS].The fear it puts into mere mortals after a brief spin is priceless....A machine that makes you think before you grab the keys unlike most modern cars today...Its a thoughtless process of wheather to take the Porsche or Vette espcially on rainy days[thats not a bad thing]...Grab keys and go.....

That being said how bout getting DC to make room for golf bags or picnic basket
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