24h race Nuerburgring

[ViperGTS]

After 1 hour: Viper second place, a few seconds behind a Porsche.

Rang Startnr. Fahrzeug Fahrer Runden Gesamtzeit Rückstand
1 2 PORSCHE 996 Turbo ALZEN Jürgen, KLASEN Arno, ALZEN Uwe, BARTELS Michael 6 56:29.617
2 1 DODGE Viper ZAKOWSKI Peter, LAMY Pedro, LECHNER Robert 6 56:32.730 03.113
3 5 OPEL Astra V8 Coupe REUTER Manuel, SCHEIDER Timo, TIEMANN Marcel, STRYCEK Volker 6 56:40.335 10.718
4 6 OPEL Astra V8 Coupe DUMBRECK Peter, BLEEKEMOLEN Jeroen, MENZEL Christian, STRYCEK Volker 6 56:49.626 20.009
5 8 AUDI Abt Audi TT-R WENDLINGER Karl, ABT Christian, NISSEN Kris, WERNER Marco 6 56:52.190 22.573
6 12 PORSCHE 996 LUHR Lucas, COLLARD Emmanuel, BERNHARD Timo 6 57:11.203 41.586
7 23 PORSCHE 996 PRICE Jonathan, GROSSMANN Markus, VOSSE Vincent, BENNETT Phil 6 57:52.089 1:22.472
8 3 PORSCHE 996 HOFBAUER Markus, FRANK Jan, BAGNALL Andrew, SIMON Patrick 6 58:23.115 1:53.498
9 44 NISSAN Skyline GT-R ASCH Roland, SCHOYSMAN Dirk, KINOSHITA Takayuki, TANAKA Tetsuya 6 58:35.295 2:05.678
10 20 PORSCHE 996 VAILLANT Michel, LEUTWILER Nicolas, KAUFMANN Wolfgang, PETERSEN Jens 6 58:56.182 2:26.565


24h-race

 

[ViperGTS]

Porsche = 1st pit stop -> Viper is leading now.

 

[Toronto_ACR]

Where can we see the race live. is it on speevison as I love the FIA GT series than the ones here in North america. Not just because the Vipers have cleaned house the last 2 years but becaue it is more fair a series.

 

[Toronto_ACR]

Right now the Viper is in the lead and has the fastest lap and the fastest speed. Could it be the Viper for a third straight year. Yes BABY

 

[ViperGTS]

4h 42min: VIPER = 4 now

Due to the pit stops and the "weigh stop" - 2 minutes to weigh each car once during the 24 hours...

The Viper has a 90 Liter fuel tank only - other cars are allowed to have a 120 Liter fuel tank...

LIVE on DSF (GERMAN SPORT TV)

 

[Vic]

I found this on DSF's web site

But I can't read German, and so don't know if there is any web coverage. I clicked on all kinds of links, so I guess there isn't any stream available.

 

[Toronto_ACR]

Its now late in the evening in Germany and out of many different types of cars expecially the many Porsches entered, the Viper still has the fastest lap and speed and is now third. Too bad last years champs could not be there who of course were in a Viper (The Larbre Team). Actually they were the past 2 years champions

 

[Toronto_ACR]

The top 3 cars includng the Viper are all the same lap. The other cars are minimum 2 laps back. The Viper is 5 minutes back, but on the same lap. Not bad for the only Viper in the field

 

[Chuck 98 RT/10]

Too bad last years champs could not be there who of course were in a Viper (The Larbre Team). Actually they were the past 2 years champions

There's a vid floating around on the net about one of those races. Pretty good.

 

[DEVILDOG]

Typical Germans have to penalize the Viper with a smaller fuel tank so the Porsches have a chance. If you can't beat the Viper heads up fair and square rig the game. The Germans and Porsche are so impressive. lol.

 

[SnakeBitten]

are there any racing series that allow the Viper to run balls out no restrictions????

 

[Toronto_ACR]

yes you are right Devil Dog. I just ran through the translation and they mentioned that the viper had won 3 out og the last 4 years and I guess it would not look to good to the other German manufacturers if they won 4 out of the last 5 years. Even with the penalty they are still hanging in there running in 3 rd right now at the 18 hour mark. 6 hours to go lets hope that they get a break as the people running the race like everything else such as magazines and whatever else just cannot give the Viper a level playing field. Mostly because the beast will kick the ass of just about everything. One Viper has been entered and they need a penalty to keep the beast from winning again. But we know who is the best and has the relaibility to last longer than any other car.

 

[Toronto_ACR]

Here is the translation from German. The Vper was in 1st until they gave the Viper a 4 lap penalty. What else is new. The Viper has never gotten a fair deal because the beast is dangerous.

Against the Zakspeed team Fuji (#1 Zakowski / Lamy / Lechner), the sport commissioners imposed a sport punishment: five round be drawn-off the abgeleisteten Renndistanz. The reason: the team has a larger tank, than that after the special classification in the group „24 hours specially“ planned 90 liter.



After detailed test through the technical commissioners was assessed that it in the vehicle with that #1 around one „Chrysler viper acts itself“ – under this name had the Zakspeed team already three times the total victory in the 24-stunden-rennen 24-stunden-rennen hour 24-stunden-rennen racing obtain can. Name named places that the organizer 2003 „Dodge viper“ solely a types label there. The manufacturer, on whom the FIA-Homologation of the vehicle returns, is Chrysler. That of the team on the name „Dodge viper“ applied for vehicle passport was specified during the organization through the DMSB and on „manufacturer: Chrysler, type: Dodge viper GTS“ circumscribed.



The Chrysler viper is restricted to be sure per Reglement on a tank volume of 90 liters and a Luftmengenbegrenzer of 30.8 mm. Therefore the team would not have may more than 90 liters of nachtanken in the first tank stop. Because the team on the part of the sport commissioners no intention became imputes, could be seen by an evaluation sow end. The team announced calling against the decision, that has to be sure no delaying effect.



Stood: Sunday, 1 June 2003, 01:45 clock

 

[ViperGTS]

after all the penalties the Viper is no. 5 now.

OPEL (GM) built a car especially for the race (40 people, 6 months long) and won...

Luckily, in the class (A8) of the Viper, the Viper is no. 2 with 2 laps after the winning Porsche.

I don´t know much about the bigger tank - I will post the info as soon as I have further news.

 

[Toronto_ACR]

It is incredible that they would give the Viper a penalty twice. It was obvious that the real winner was the Viper. It had the fastest car. The quickest lap, and the fastest MPH. It took 2 five lap penalties to keep them from winning 3 out of the last 4 years. The Germans could not take seeing another Viper win again over the rest of the German cars.

 

[ViperGTS]

Found this! Translation by Babelfish...

"ZAKSPEED" AGAINST "FACTORY TEAMS" clear is that despite the fast round times none had fully driven the Top Runner, the best maps well-known-measured only at the conclusion pulled from the sleeve. With the process of running one could win however the impression, as if opposite Zakspeed the Porsche, which would have DTM cars and also the work BMW a disadvantage. While one was in approximately equal from the round times, Zakspeed with that seems to have 90 litres tank (contrary to 30 litres the larger the fellow combatant) clearly the worse maps, one must simply repeatedly refuel. Hans Schnock of the General German Automobile Association north Rhine is quite conscious the problem: "we clarified with a discussion with the Motorshow in meals with all manufacturers and Zakspeed involved that the viper drives as in the last year. This statement we made also the others opposite and will remain we. Should agree if OPEL, BMW and AUDI with the fact that we which change, I do not have a problem thereby. We stand with the three in the word." While Charlie lamb of Schnitzer did not want to express itself to the problem, OPEL rejects a recent change of regulation clearly. In addition their sport boss Volker Strycek: "a larger tank volume for the viper is not applicable at all. We saw today, how quickly the viper is in the speed. If the viper would have likewise a 120 litre tank, we would not have a realistic chance to win a running. If that should be changed, we cannot win theoretically no more. One must see a running as a whole, we has only a Sprintauto, the viper against it has a clearly better long-distance potential. With the viper goes simply more: We cannot take the liberty contacts, the viper very probably. One must also consider that the viper is simply faster while refuelling, it at a normal gasoline pump is refuelled and 30 litres to last there already a time!"

 

[Toronto_ACR]

Thanks for the post Viper GTS. I think that post says it all. everyone knows that the Viper is the king of long distance marathons because it is a beast that just does not die. It keeps going and going with the higher power numbers too. I have never heard of any racing body giving 2 penalties in a race to one car. But it happened just so the Viper could not win AGAIN. I think everyone which is the best sports car

I love these European racing series much more than the ones here because they are much more fair with the rules regardless what happened in Germany yesterdsay. The races here are all based on who has the biggest budget. The saleens would probably beat the Corvettes in ALMS if not for all the money that CHEVY doles out. It is not a fair series. Too bad that Chrysler does not support the Viper in the racing series any longer. They dont realize that it is the Viper that has changed Chryslers image

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[ViperGTS]

Makes me mad - NO FAIR PLAY ... what OPEL sport boss Strycek has to say!

 

[ViperGTS]

FUNNY translation by babelfish:

Peter Zakowski in the DSF interview: the organizer promptly, before the start of running, and already 2 runs to the BF Goodrich long-distance cup as well as time training to the 24h running informed as Dodge viper drove. When running already ran, us a Deal was offered. One would let us get off stop & Go a punishment, if we would drive further running with the regulation of the Chrysler viper, speaks 90 litres tank and insured us in response that no further protests would follow. Whereupon we did not die, since we already drive to valid regulation. Before our car passport was corrected by the DMSB, which became name Dodge simply with the name Chrysler again overwritten. Such a thing I did not experience in my life yet. To occupy, regard us with a punishment to 5 rounds I as arbitrariness?

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[Toronto_ACR]

ViperGTS can you tell me if you know what the rules are for this race. How stock are the cars and what modifications can be allowed. For instance the cars at Le Mans such as the Viper have 700BHP, and are a shell of the real street car. I have looked for this and cant find it anywhere. I also want to know which cars have the factory's help behind them.

Thanks

 

[ViperGTS]

http://adac.24h-rennen.de/pdf/2003-24h-ausschreibung.pdf
German/English version of the "rules" etc.

Factory teams: OPEL, AUDI, BMW, ...

 

[ViperGTS]

ZAKSPEED filed an appeal against the time punishment
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translation by babelfish
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Message 24h running 2003 05.06.2003 The Zakspeed team Fuji announced appointment against the expressed sport-met with the 31st international 24h-Rennen at the Nuerburgring and will justify these within the prescribed period also opposite the DMSB. Zakspeed decided to this step after repeated detailed examination of the available documents and in particular the regulation. The examination resulted in that Zakspeed offended at no time against the valid regulation and thus the 10 rounds are unjustified punishment. Since it concerns a floating procedure, Zakspeed asks for understanding that one will not publish further information at this time. Zakspeed is endeavored around a complete clearing-up of circumstances and at given time to the incidents position will take. Zakspeed thanks the partners of the team as well as all fan for the outstanding support during the 24h-Rennens. The zuspruch of the yellow viper during the Korso on Wednesday as well as with Adenauer Racing Day was overwhelming. The many positive feedbacks showed that the viper became with the 24h running an institution which can not be excluded. The viper coins/shapes the myth of the 24h of running for 5 years along and also in this year began, in order to place themselves and for the victory fight for your fans of the sporty challenge. We are very betruebt over the events and hope that in the sense of the sportyness a fair solution is created for the well-being of the 24-Rennens...