KNG SNKE
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I'm a lambo owner and I DO have that opinion of all you guys!! oh wait I'm a viper owner also so I guess Im just kidding
It's settled, you should kick your own ass.
800HP Shelby for 2012 I hope the Viper tops it
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It's settled, you should kick your own ass.
dave6666
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Andrew2KRT10
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I agree with Patent. That Mustang is hot, how can anyone complain or shoot down Ford for putting this thing on the road, give me a break. I won't be selling my RT/10 anytime soon for any reason, but I also won't be buying another. If anything, I'd look into a Mustang in a second if I had the money burning a hole in my pocket. Come on guys, get the blinders off, the Viper is not the one and only car to be in your garage. Anyone hear that variety is the spice of life ?
Wait, sorry, if I had money burning a hole in my pocket, I'd actually go for an ACRX to play with, then pick up a Stang.
Wait, sorry, if I had money burning a hole in my pocket, I'd actually go for an ACRX to play with, then pick up a Stang.
dave6666
Enthusiast
Not all variety is good.
VIPER GTSR 91
Enthusiast
The new BOSS 302 Laguna Seca is the biggest bang for the buck out there as far as Mustangs go and will only go up in value. Very few to be made and an incredible track car. 48k MSRP if you can get one for that.
VIPER BAZ UK
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Mustangs are good cars never meant that...... Just think thats a lot of HP for that body....
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Is my mates company and driven loads of them... Would like a white with Blue SHELBY GT500 myself
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The only thing i diss like is the lack of underside protection..... rust on brand new cars is not good.......
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Is my mates company and driven loads of them... Would like a white with Blue SHELBY GT500 myself
...The only thing i diss like is the lack of underside protection..... rust on brand new cars is not good.......
vancouver-gts
Viper Owner
What protection you're speaking of? Had my 1996 Mustang for 12 yrs, not a speck of rust on the panels or underside of it. And I don't live in Arizona either
That is the original paint on the car as well.The quality isn't anything like it was in the 70's 80's.
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vancouver-gts
Viper Owner
Some earlier Cobras had the IRS suspension, but the general public wanted to go back to the live axle that can handle more power without too much wheelhop at the dragstrip.My GT also had the quad shock setup from the factory that eliminated wheelhop almost completely.It's very easy to convert from live axle to IRS if handling corners are more important.
I'd own a Supersnake in a heartbeat. My only beef with the newer Stangs are weight.The Shelby has way too many amplifiers and speakers too.The Vettes have balsa floors with CF reinforcement to further reducing weight.It's a no brainer.Wake up Ford, produce a lightweight and then run against the others to have much better results.
I'd own a Supersnake in a heartbeat. My only beef with the newer Stangs are weight.The Shelby has way too many amplifiers and speakers too.The Vettes have balsa floors with CF reinforcement to further reducing weight.It's a no brainer.Wake up Ford, produce a lightweight and then run against the others to have much better results.
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Viper and gallardo are BOTH rare beautiful big powered vehicles with world class handling and brakes.
2003 Viper and 2004 Gallardo both 500 and 510 HP respectively. 2003 cobra 390 HP with no were near the handling/brakeing.
2008 Viper and 2008 GALLARDO 550 and 600 HP respectively. Both still rare and beautiful with world class brakes and handling. 2008 GT500 with 5xx HP still has lack luster handling and brakes.
I dont think anyone makes this stuff up just to me mean. But the reality is that a 1996 GTS that someone picks up for 30K will turn more heads the the brand new 45K Boss mustang as well is still a lil quicker through the 1/4 mile.
Sure my 8 year old Viper is worth only 35-45K. I get that. As Plum said it can be had for song and a few dollars (interesting expression)But it doent change the fct that every last inch of the car was desighned as a 83K road machine.
As much as I love the new 5.0 engined mustangs. To compare this generic muscle car to any viper is silly.
While on the other hand I disagree and a Viper can most defiently be compared to a Gallardo. The Viper is every bit as rare and the 03 viper whooped up on the 04 Gallardo and the 2010 Viper whoops up on the 2011 gallardo.
I have never seen a same year mustang whooping a same year Viper.
New 5.0 is a great car for the money but then again so is the corvette and I dont even want to get started on that
Viper is completely in a differant class than the mustang. The only thing really seperateing the Viper and gallardo is the top of the line store name brand LAMBORGHINI vs the Walmart special brand DODGE.
2003 Viper and 2004 Gallardo both 500 and 510 HP respectively. 2003 cobra 390 HP with no were near the handling/brakeing.
2008 Viper and 2008 GALLARDO 550 and 600 HP respectively. Both still rare and beautiful with world class brakes and handling. 2008 GT500 with 5xx HP still has lack luster handling and brakes.
I dont think anyone makes this stuff up just to me mean. But the reality is that a 1996 GTS that someone picks up for 30K will turn more heads the the brand new 45K Boss mustang as well is still a lil quicker through the 1/4 mile.
Sure my 8 year old Viper is worth only 35-45K. I get that. As Plum said it can be had for song and a few dollars (interesting expression)But it doent change the fct that every last inch of the car was desighned as a 83K road machine.
As much as I love the new 5.0 engined mustangs. To compare this generic muscle car to any viper is silly.
While on the other hand I disagree and a Viper can most defiently be compared to a Gallardo. The Viper is every bit as rare and the 03 viper whooped up on the 04 Gallardo and the 2010 Viper whoops up on the 2011 gallardo.
I have never seen a same year mustang whooping a same year Viper.
New 5.0 is a great car for the money but then again so is the corvette and I dont even want to get started on that
Viper is completely in a differant class than the mustang. The only thing really seperateing the Viper and gallardo is the top of the line store name brand LAMBORGHINI vs the Walmart special brand DODGE.
costanZo
Enthusiast
You make a valid point, however there is no remote chance in my life where I would ever even let a potential thought come into my head where I would consider buying a Mustang. I hate them with a passion.
I do agree, the Viper shouldn't be the only car in your garage. If you're a car guy, of course you want more than just one Viper in your garage. You either want more Vipers or multiple cars.. but for me, the Mustang will never be one of those cars. Of course, I am just stating my honest opinion which all of you are as well. So if any of you are mustang fans, to each his own and I mean no disrespect... I just very much hate the car you like, if it happens to be a Mustang
costanZo
Enthusiast
Agreed. The Viper and Mustang were never in the same class to begin with...
When it comes to domestic performance:
One class:
Viper
Corvette
I think some might even consider the Ford GT in this class, if it were up against the ZR1 and ACRX.
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The other class:
Mustang
Camaro
Challenger
mattdillon
Enthusiast
I'm a lambo owner and I DO have that opinion of all you guys!! oh wait I'm a viper owner also so I guess Im just kidding
Hey there's a few of my buddies in the Porsche club that kid me about my Viper (creampuff, clownshoe & when I wake up in the morning, its still a DODGE). All in fun, BUT there's also some in the same club that doesn't even recognize my Porsche as a Real Porsche because it has water running thru its veins. I guess I really don't have a REAL sportscar on either side, but like on this forum you guys have always made me feel right at home, no matter the year or make. And its not even Red or Yellow. I've always said I just like nice cars, I don't really care what kind it is (I've even owned a Replica before, 87' Countach).And I know thats a big No No
, especially for car purists(got it real cheap but it was what it was nothing more). I figure if I'm gonna spend some real bucks, I need to wait & see if there really will be a new Viper coming out.mattdillon
Enthusiast
Dave, I got rid of the Countach Replica to make room for the Viper. If I was in the sports world & made that kind of trade, I would be getting a raise about now. (But, I probably would have already been fired for making that first acquisition).
shooter_t1
Has Left the Room!
The Mustang was kicking ass at Laguna 19 yrs before Dodge cobbled together the Viper prototype. Who lifted what from whom?.
I will probably buy a Laguna Mustang next year for my wife. Pretty cool car that can hand the overrated M3 it's ass on the track.
vancouver-gts
Viper Owner
My buddy has an anniversary Countach >
a Diablo,a 95 RT10 Hennessey Venom,99 GTS ACR, DeTomaso Pantera
and he never looked down on me when I had my lowly Mustang.
Some of you are just a bunch of snobs Also have friends with Ferraris and never had a negative comment from them either.
You either are a car guy or a poser
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a Diablo,a 95 RT10 Hennessey Venom,99 GTS ACR, DeTomaso Pantera
and he never looked down on me when I had my lowly Mustang.
Some of you are just a bunch of snobs
Also have friends with Ferraris and never had a negative comment from them either.You either are a car guy or a poser
v10enomous
Enthusiast
A mustang is a grocery getter that they enhance to a performance car. A vette is a sports car enhanced to a supercar. A viper is a purpose built exotic race car.
If you don't like the Mustang, well then you are not a car guy....period! All the cars out there are interesting and I do respect them all for what they are. I am a car guy and proud of it. My two Mustangs (69 Mach 1 and 95 S351R Saleen Speedster) all hold a special place to me and I enjoy them just as much as my Viper. They are all different experiences.
Despite the shortcomings I expressed on the new Super Snake, I like them. There are plenty of things wrong on every vehicle. Vipers are far from perfect as well.
Not everyone started life in a Viper. Mustangs, Cameros, Challengers and some of the imports are where most start their life in cars.
Despite the shortcomings I expressed on the new Super Snake, I like them. There are plenty of things wrong on every vehicle. Vipers are far from perfect as well.
Not everyone started life in a Viper. Mustangs, Cameros, Challengers and some of the imports are where most start their life in cars.
mattdillon
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My buddy has an anniversary Countach >You must be registered for see images
a Diablo,a 95 RT10 Hennessey Venom,99 GTS ACR, DeTomaso Pantera
and he never looked down on me when I had my lowly Mustang.
Some of you are just a bunch of snobs
You either are a car guy or a poser
Thats very nice, and a good collection too. I know that thing gets a TON of looks going down the road. I know mine got more looks than any ride I've ever owned (probably 95% of people didn't know what they were looking at) WAY too many blind spots on those cars. People will ride right beside you for awhile just to take pictures of it & I'm sure they're thinkin its the real thing, but you have to be very careful changing lanes in them for sure.
costanZo
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My buddy has an anniversary Countach >You must be registered for see images
a Diablo,a 95 RT10 Hennessey Venom,99 GTS ACR, DeTomaso Pantera
and he never looked down on me when I had my lowly Mustang.
Some of you are just a bunch of snobs
You either are a car guy or a poser
I LOVE the Countach! Gorgeous car..
vancouver-gts
Viper Owner
I think the Countach has one of the best exhaust notes on the planet. Extremely uncomfortable to get in but it drives awesome.
The Viper is ten times more comfortable once inside.
but it drives awesome. The Viper is ten times more comfortable once inside.
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My buddy has an anniversary Countach >
a Diablo,a 95 RT10 Hennessey Venom,99 GTS ACR, DeTomaso Pantera
and he never looked down on me when I had my lowly Mustang.
Some of you are just a bunch of snobs
You either are a car guy or a poser
absolutely. thats the problem around here, too many wanna be's. thats most of the reason i dont do anything with the ny/ct vca, too many posers in the club now. there's still a bunch of ******** car guys but not like it used to be.
a wanna be/poser will always look down on the mustang guy cause they appear to not be able to afford a viper. the ferrari guys have that same attitude. true i can walk them silly on the highway but at the end of the day, i drive home in a lowly viper and they drive home in a FERRARI....
i see it at the local car cruises all the time. it makes me sick
PS, did you ever notice how the lambo guys dont typically look down their nose as much as ferrari guys do. for some reason it seems lambo guys are typically more car guys regardless of how much money they make.
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ACR_VP
Enthusiast
For me as long as someone has mutual respect, it doesn't matter what they drive they're cool in my book. And frankly I'm more impressed by someone who's spent their blood, sweat, and tears restoring a car from scratch, or modding their little vw golf to 500hp, than someone who buys a Ferrari.
In my opinion guys' car tastes, are like guys' woman tastes... Everyone has their own.
In my opinion guys' car tastes, are like guys' woman tastes... Everyone has their own.
SCSViper
Viper Owner
I have never understood that kind of statement. Some one can appreciate the history of the brand, but not want to own one. I think Lambos are very angular and would never buy one. That doesn't mean I look down on it, it doesn't suit MY TASTES. The Mustang has never really appealed to me. The fact that I would not care to own one doesn't make me less of a "car guy" than some one who loves the Mustang. Simply means we have different tastes in cars. It comes down to respect of the brands and the history behind them.
Isn't it equally as stupid to say "don't look down on Mustangs if you're a car guy" but all Ferrari owners are poser d-bags? They cost more so therefore owner must be a poser. Are they all the same guy with the same motivation to own one? I've met guys with Ferrari's who are the nicest guys in the world and conversely Viper owners who are the biggest tools.
costanZo
Enthusiast
+1 to both
As I mentioned earlier, although I don't like Mustangs, that doesn't mean I look down at anyone who owns one. I personally can't stand the young kids who own them and think they are the "$hit" and try to show off with them...but then again, most young kids with any performance related car will do that. I'm just simply not a fan of mustangs, but do appreciate them for what they are. My cousin bought one, obviously I'm not going to rant on how much I dislike them haha, but she actually bought a nice later model GT version of it. She loves mustangs, it was her dream car and I was very happy for her to get one, since I remember the feeling when i got my Viper which was something I always dreamed about owning someday.
Here's her car:
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I would never buy one, but I can at least say it's a nice car, just not my style. I personally have more respect for the older Mustangs, and newer(Saleen and cobra) versions, but in general... I just don't like them and would never buy one, but does not mean I think less of someone for owning one or wanting one, unless they are an absolute toolbag and deserve to be hated.
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Flying Viper
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Law, I have to agree with you. I have noticed an awful arrogance from what seems to be the newer generation of Viper owners. We used to pride ourselves on complimenting other car owners, now for some reason it seems that has changed.
Honestly,
Some of you guys have to get over yourselves. Pretty dang arrogant.
Like you guys are never seen in any other car besides your Vipers because it is beneath you. You drive to work in them. You take your vacation in them, etc. A company puts out an 800 HP car and you are complaining about it?
How about this......the Viper has only two seats......you can fit 4 in the Mustang. Seems like a more flexible design to me.
Oh, that is right....they are "cheap" because you all take chemical samples of the plastic and have determined that the molecular structure of the plastic in the Viper is "superior" to the Mustang. What a joke.
And don't forget that the Shelby comes in convert style.
The Viper? At least not now. Maybe never again.
Yep, the Mustang....garbage. Would not be caught dead in one.
They don't even MAKE the Viper any more.
Go buy European cars if you want to feel more important about yourself. After all this country has been through and the crappy economy, an American company puts out a great product. They did not need to be bailed out.
Your new Eurocar awaits, I am sure that the plastic is far more advanced and heck, it is a bargain in that it is $2,000 less than the base Mustang (never mind that it has 101 hp compared to over 300 for the Mustang)......You might kill yourself with the horsepower. Safety first!
Besides, it has a great warranty so the people that have no mechanical skill can just pull into the dealer and not get their hands dirty because they are too important.
You can also kiss up to the "powers that be" on this board and tell them what a fine job they are doing....Give the Americans 1/3 the horsepower and stupid styling. Just be sure to call it "Euro". They will buy it anyway because they are such rubes.
Your chariot awaits....
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vancouver-gts
Viper Owner
We have a local venue once a year at Van Dusen Gardens [british cars only], where we take my friend's Noble M400 with a Hyundai tail light,lol. I usually stay away from the car, listening to people's comments on it.The usual limey snobs always make some neg comments on it,even go as far calling it a kit car.which it is not.I like some cars better for looks but boy this little gem performs..We got the ECU back reflashed and tested the car going into 1+ bar territory.Hoping to get a consistent 3.0 sec 0-60 , 1/4 to low 11's.
.The usual limey snobs always make some neg comments on it,even go as far calling it a kit car.which it is not.I like some cars better for looks but boy this little gem performs..We got the ECU back reflashed and tested the car going into 1+ bar territory.Hoping to get a consistent 3.0 sec 0-60 , 1/4 to low 11's.
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v10enomous
Enthusiast
I like mustangs and vettes. There are several models of each that id love to have... original C3 L88 or original Boss 302 or 429..new boss looks slick too... A Viper is just in a class by itself even more so than the Countach... which i'd really love to have keeping my GTS company.
Les Quam
Enthusiast
I also own a couple of Shelby Supernakes. A 2008 with the 725 HP version and an 09 Shelby/Prudomme drag version at 800 HP. A can offer a couple of observations as owners of both Viper sand Shelbys.
The Shelby's have no traction the HP simply overwhelms the car and the folks at Shelby realize this and are working on solutions. The lack of traction is a problem for a straight line race it takes and enourmous amount of patience to feather the throttle until you can use all the power. Which is the fun of owning the car it takes some skill to drive it well. Sound familiar? Yup same applies for a Viper they are both pure drivers cars not many of those being built anymore huh? Vipers are generally more for weekend track day guys and Shelbys more for straight line guys although many Shelby guys take their cars on road courses. But the Viper is in a class by itself for weekend road course fun.
The Shelbys are modern day muscle cars they get traction like a big block 60s era muscle car using 8 inch wide polyglass tires. A modern Shelby feels exactly the same as a big block Camaro or HEMI no traction gobs of torque and more fun that you can imagine. Looking out over the hood of the Shelby as you drive it and listening to the exhaust is just a great deal of fun. The guys at Shelby are pure hot rod guys and their cars are simply outrageous it's amazing they are even building these things.
From an owner experience I live in Vegas and know the guys at the Shelby factory and it is a terrific owner experience when you walk into order one of these beasts and make no mistake they are street legal beasts its like walking into the LA Shelby factory in the 60s and just having them build you a custom car any darn way you want, kind of like the way Bill Cosby and Steve McQueen used to do. It's like a bunch of kids got a hold of a factory and started building muscle cars. It's hilarious and the cars are just silly over the top hot rods. great, great folks at the Shelby plant.
I drive my Shelbys year round even when it's 115 degree's. I can put my kids in the back seat and the cars perform flawlessly. I beat on mine pretty good never had a problem. My local Ford dealer bends over backwards to warranty what they can and love the Shelbys.
Which is faster? Road course the Viper. Straight line if I don't miss a gear or get on the power too soon the Shelby pulls my 08 Viper easily. Whcih is more fun? Depends on the day? Both are cars built for people who appreciate the art of driving. There is an art to driving a road course and also an art to driving an overpowered muscle car in a straight line. The VCA and SAAC and the new Team Shelby clubs are all great car clubs with great owners.
Vipers are not just another Dodge. Shelbys are not just another Ford Mustang. How lucky we are they are being built. What a great time to be a car nut.
The Shelby's have no traction the HP simply overwhelms the car and the folks at Shelby realize this and are working on solutions. The lack of traction is a problem for a straight line race it takes and enourmous amount of patience to feather the throttle until you can use all the power. Which is the fun of owning the car it takes some skill to drive it well. Sound familiar? Yup same applies for a Viper they are both pure drivers cars not many of those being built anymore huh? Vipers are generally more for weekend track day guys and Shelbys more for straight line guys although many Shelby guys take their cars on road courses. But the Viper is in a class by itself for weekend road course fun.
The Shelbys are modern day muscle cars they get traction like a big block 60s era muscle car using 8 inch wide polyglass tires. A modern Shelby feels exactly the same as a big block Camaro or HEMI no traction gobs of torque and more fun that you can imagine. Looking out over the hood of the Shelby as you drive it and listening to the exhaust is just a great deal of fun. The guys at Shelby are pure hot rod guys and their cars are simply outrageous it's amazing they are even building these things.
From an owner experience I live in Vegas and know the guys at the Shelby factory and it is a terrific owner experience when you walk into order one of these beasts and make no mistake they are street legal beasts its like walking into the LA Shelby factory in the 60s and just having them build you a custom car any darn way you want, kind of like the way Bill Cosby and Steve McQueen used to do. It's like a bunch of kids got a hold of a factory and started building muscle cars. It's hilarious and the cars are just silly over the top hot rods. great, great folks at the Shelby plant.
I drive my Shelbys year round even when it's 115 degree's. I can put my kids in the back seat and the cars perform flawlessly. I beat on mine pretty good never had a problem. My local Ford dealer bends over backwards to warranty what they can and love the Shelbys.
Which is faster? Road course the Viper. Straight line if I don't miss a gear or get on the power too soon the Shelby pulls my 08 Viper easily. Whcih is more fun? Depends on the day? Both are cars built for people who appreciate the art of driving. There is an art to driving a road course and also an art to driving an overpowered muscle car in a straight line. The VCA and SAAC and the new Team Shelby clubs are all great car clubs with great owners.
Vipers are not just another Dodge. Shelbys are not just another Ford Mustang. How lucky we are they are being built. What a great time to be a car nut.
kyleblix
Enthusiast
Well put Quam.
