800HP V10 crate engine, 650HP bolt-on kit for Gen III's, announced today

[Mr. Mom]

Oh, ok! Thank you for that.

Gen III tuning is wide open. Not so for the Gen IV. A number of heads/cam packages are available for the Gen III. Greg Good, Viper Specialties, Roe Racing are the first that come to mind.

 

[Canyon707]

I have to bet that the Feds or the EPA must have something to do with not being allowed to modify the newer engines. Didn't the republican caniadate Perry say something about abolishing them LOL or try to say something like that?

 

[prpaster]

Remeber if you are an employee of Chrysler, Retired from Chrysler or have a family memeber that works there you can get numbers for 25% off Mopar Performance parts.....

 

[Viktimize]

Dan,
Funny thing is if you watch the SRT8 and Jeep forums Diablo is about 1 minute away from "cracking the code" based on "insider" information LOL.

Why is that so funny?? So far Diablo is the only company that brought something to the table for the original SRT8. Not sure how they obtained the codes, but they claim to have cracked it themselves. And just prior to them cracking it, they were in talks with a guy that was reverse engineering it in his garage. So it doesn't appear they bought the codes on the original SRT8. But who knows??

 

[kdaviper]

I have to bet that the Feds or the EPA must have something to do with not being allowed to modify the newer engines. Didn't the republican caniadate Perry say something about abolishing them LOL or try to say something like that?

Nah, you're thinking of Ron Paul. He wants to get rid of the EPA because they offer protection for the big corporations (by giving permits to pollute) in the bed with the government. Having tunable ECUs would be nice though. maybe the viperclub should invest in a mini supercomputer dedicated to cracking ECUs ;{)

 

[Canyon707]

There all in bed with someone.

 

[ViperTony]

There all in bed with someone.

Yes, but sadly it's with Nancy Pelosi.

 

[madninjaskillz]

Why is it so hard to know the difference between there, their and they're? I know I seem like the language police but it just seems like so many people don't know basic grammar anymore. Oh yeah, F Pelosi and the EPA. Did you guys know that American corporations paid over 1.4 TRILLION in regulation fees last year? gg

 

[kdaviper]

QUOTE=Canyon707;3016338]There all in bed with someone.[/QUOTE]

Paul seems to be "in bed" with the american people... Especially retirees and military service men and women.

Also, a website which enables you to track campaign contributions source-by-source.
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/candidate.php?id=N00005906[

 

[Viper Parts of America]

FYI, the Gen III upgrade kit is now available from your favorite Dodge and Mopar dealers. As expected, suggested retail price is exactly $10,000 - we suspect most dealers may offer discounts off of that. Includes custom Gen IV heads, machined intake and throttle body, injectors, bolts, spark plugs, gaskets, etc. Advertised as a 150 HP upgrade - cool stuff from the manufacturer!

 

[Camfab]

With some discounting that'll be an awesome deal. What's VPA going to sell them for?

 

[Slithr]

With some discounting that'll be an awesome deal. What's VPA going to sell them for?

 

[FLATOUT]

Is this a gen 4 intake or is it a ported gen 3? Since it's gen 4 heads I'm assuming a gen 4 intake.

 

[AbsolutHank]

From the pics from SEMA, the intake appears to be the lower Gen IV manifold, with the same upper manifold and TB used on the 800hp crate engine...

 

[Viper Specialty]

With some discounting that'll be an awesome deal. What's VPA going to sell them for?

I just hope everyone notices that this does not include headers, exhaust, camshaft/lifters, pushrods, lower end gaskets for Cam install, etc. It is a nice package of the basic parts, but it still needs considerable additions to be a "complete" package.

Personally I am curious to see what the "real deal" is with regard to included parts after someone actually receives one.

 

[Viper Parts of America]

Actually it includes pushrods and everything else needed for a turnkey high performance package. Here is a partial list of parts:

Custom cylinder heads
Custom upper intake manifold
Custom intake diverter
Custom head bolts
Pushrods
Spark plugs
Exhaust gaskets
Head gaskets
Fuel injectors
Fuel rail
Wiring
Gen IV intake module
Intake port gaskets
Intake bolts
Intake sleeves
Gen IV coil cover
Exhaust rocker arms
Intake rocker arms
Gen IV valve covers
Hoses

To buy these parts individually would be much more expensive if they were available separately (they aren't). This Mopar performance package even includes a custom reflash of your original factory controller. Contact your local Dodge/SRT dealer and/or favorite Mopar retailer!

 

[Viper Parts of America]

With some discounting that'll be an awesome deal. What's VPA going to sell them for?

Sorry, we can't post prices or links in the general forums. Feel free to PM us for more information!

 

[Twister]

posted before I read the thread...deleted

 

[AbsolutHank]

Actually it includes pushrods and everything else needed for a turnkey high performance package. Here is a partial list of parts:

Custom cylinder heads
Custom upper intake manifold
Custom intake diverter
Custom head bolts
Pushrods
Spark plugs
Exhaust gaskets
Head gaskets
Fuel injectors
Fuel rail
Wiring
Gen IV intake module
Intake port gaskets
Intake bolts
Intake sleeves
Gen IV coil cover
Exhaust rocker arms
Intake rocker arms
Gen IV valve covers
Hoses

To buy these parts individually would be much more expensive if they were available separately (they aren't). This Mopar performance package even includes a custom reflash of your original factory controller. Contact your local Dodge/SRT dealer and/or favorite Mopar retailer!

What about exhaust manifolds? To the best of my knowledge Dan has been saying all along this will require Gen IV style headers, or OE Gen IV manifolds to work with these heads...is that true? If so, that's quite a "hidden" cost to this upgrade...

 

[Twister]

just read this whole thread. Gotta admit that after looking at the pics posted of the gen3 pakage. WEll anyone who wants to sell their 03-06 and get a gen4 has a new option. adding this kit seems to for the most part give you a gen4 engine. Looks pretty much the same only unlike the gen4 it would be pretty easy to throw a nasty cam in her and tune it all up.

I may do this kit. I really wanted striker heads next year and seems like I would be getting them plus some other gen4 lookalike goodies and manifold/throttle body port matched for what I consider a outstanding deal at 10k or less.

I bet this kit plus my 710 cam would put out 650 rwhp.

 

[Viper Parts of America]

What about exhaust manifolds? To the best of my knowledge Dan has been saying all along this will require Gen IV style headers, or OE Gen IV manifolds to work with these heads...is that true? If so, that's quite a "hidden" cost to this upgrade...

Given that this is being sold by Mopar as a turnkey package, it seems very unlikely that there are any hidden costs. The kit was installed on at least one Gen 3 and tested by Mopar and its suppliers to make sure everything worked as advertised before they went public with it. We will confirm which exhaust manifolds are compatible but don't expect any surprises.

 

[AbsolutHank]

Given that this is being sold by Mopar as a turnkey package, it seems very unlikely that there are any hidden costs. The kit was installed on at least one Gen 3 and tested by Mopar and its suppliers to make sure everything worked as advertised before they went public with it. We will confirm which exhaust manifolds are compatible but don't expect any surprises.

Fair enough...I look forward to some real world results

 

[cubican]

Im really interested on the kit , lets find out the exhaust info , and if your a venom member its 20% off .

 

[Camfab]

Trust me on this one, it's a BARGAIN. I've never seen any bargains from Mopar Performance, this one's a BARGAIN! If you bought all that stuff plus a tune from a vendor, you'd be well over 15K. Throw a set of ACR-X headers on it and your done for less than $.. I guess I'm not supposed to say. My GEN II cost more than this and I bought used headers and didn't get half the stuff you get in this kit. Crazy good pricing.

It almost made me think of trading my beast for a stock '06 just to get my hands dirty and build another engine. Not sure I could do that though............I think I'd have seperation issues with the GTS.

 

[Viper Specialty]

Actually it includes pushrods and everything else needed for a turnkey high performance package. Here is a partial list of parts:

Actually, everything I stated [except pushrods] is still not on that list. While I wont deny that their pricing on this is actually very reasonable for a change, it still is a "head package", not a "head and cam package", and it is still incomplete without the exhaust headers.

 

[Viper Specialty]

What about exhaust manifolds? To the best of my knowledge Dan has been saying all along this will require Gen IV style headers, or OE Gen IV manifolds to work with these heads...is that true? If so, that's quite a "hidden" cost to this upgrade...

You will still need headers. The mounting flanges of Gen-1/2/3 aren't even remotely close to a Gen-4. The bolts are nearly 45* offset on every single hole. That's a fairly hefty additional expense, and I have a hard time believing you will see the numbers they claim without using headers, not just the OE manifolds. Those manifolds are good, but not that good. Just ask yourself- how would a head package that uses the same parts as a production Gen-4 make considerably more horsepower than the production version, with a smaller camshaft? The Gen-3 cam is actually smaller than the Gen-4. It just doesn't make sense unless you are comparing a Stock production Gen-4 to a Header/Exhaust Gen-3/Gen-4 Conversion type package. Even after that, I can barely see those numbers being possible in that scenario on a production Gen-3 Cam. Someone who bolts this together with Gen-4 manifolds on a stock Gen-3 Cam as would be "expected" by how the package is being marketed should expect to see lower numbers than a stock Gen-4. The exact same argument could be made even if there was some way of bolting Gen-3 manifolds to Gen-4 heads.

All I am saying, is this is being marketed as "complete" and "650 Horsepower", when it really isn't from what I am seeing, and is slightly misleading in terms of what expectations people will have at this point. That is not to say that this isn't an excellent starting point, but I see mass confusion on the horizon here.


Unless someone would like to explain to me how you make a flange designed to fit this:

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To bolt up to this:

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A slight problem, no?

 

[Dan Cragin]

This is a super deal. You will need Gen 4 manifolds or headers. Also you will need to send in your computer to calibrate. Also, to get to the 650hp you will need the cam change and headers.

Hope this helps.

 

[Camfab]

Wow those Gen IV heads are beautiful, the chambers look very similar to the Srtikers. I'm tell'n you I'd love to try this build out. In fact in my usual fashion I'd like to complicate it even more and put it on a Gen II.

 

[Viper Parts of America]

We did indeed confirm you will need to provide your own headers/manifolds and here is why it was done that way: A large number of people that do performance upgrades start with headers. As mentioned above, the new Gen 4 heads won't work with the Gen 3 manifolds. So Mopar decided that packaging a set of stock manifolds with the kit (and thereby raising the price) only to have them thrown aside in favor of headers (take your pick of manufacturer) didn't make sense. This way you can choose your own exhaust solution (headers or stock manifolds) and your own cam (stick with stock, upgrade to 708, etc.). Mopar engineered and packaged "less variable" parts such as the heads and intake manifold, as well as the components to bring everything together (injectors, gaskets, plugs, bolts, wiring, etc.).

It's a great package for those looking for an OEM performance upgrade kit, while still allowing some custom tweaks of your own as you see fit.

 

[JAY]

Hope they offer something for those who allready have HEADS ie. intake package ?