Alexarz
Enthusiast
Perhaps Dodge can improve the ACR with different gearing for '09. How about a 3.55 rear, which would make 5th gear more usable?
Snake I never said with tires the ZR1 was faster I just said I think the cars are pretty evenly matched and with same rubber and driver I thought the results would be different. Thats what I think, that doesn't make it true but it doesn't make it false either. Its ok to have an opinion isn't it? If you read further you will find I had an opinion on the ACR I posted in my first response on this thread as well, not a fact just what I think.
I get the feeling if your opinion isn't the same as everyone else it makes some people mad and I guess thats too bad. I do think I am a fair guy and if I thought it was a bad ass kicken I would agree with some of the guys going beserk over a 4 second win on a 7.5 minute course. I don't think it was a ass kicken I thought it was close especially for a course that long and thats all I said. I am not asking anyone to agree! On an average american tracks like watkins glen or fontana or summit point that take less than 2 minutes to go around it would be around a second difference at most which is not much so thats why I feel the cars are very close.
Who is making excuses? Don't mistake an opinion for an excuse. Did you miss this part of my very first post: (As far as the ZR1 thats 2 bad for them you run what you brung and it looks like the ACR was the better package today. I also think if the viper had different gearing it would of been much more dominant as the gearing currently doesn't seem to agree with the rings configuration and to me looks like it hurt the ACR's time, in the ZR1 video the vettes gearing seem to be perfect for the course.)
Did you miss that post? Why would I make an excuse for a car I don't own or didn't race? I just made an observation and to me the cars seem close with actually a lot of room for improvement for both IMO. I am not asking anyone to agree with me as I just have an opinion as does everyone else, but some others still get all bent out of shape and act like you said something about their mom if you don't agree with every single point they are trying to make. I thought these were discussion boards and most of the time discussion requires input from 2 different perspectives, I didn't realize it had to be a viper love fest or I wouldn't of gave an opinion. I don't see why there has to be all the vette bashing or even personal name calling by some jerkoffs? From what I read all the people bashing don't even have an ACR! How many of the bashers actually road race and know what they are talking about when they make inferences to how much advantage tires or drivers or brakes give said car? None? Maybe some of the guys bashing do, I don't know but I doubt it? Then of course everyone knows exactly what the factory did or didn't do to each car, like everyone posting here was sent a personal bulletin from the viper and vette engineers and track guys how each car was prepared prior to running (GET REAL!) Its always been my experience people that actually race their cars usually respect the competition and don't talk smack and if anything savor the chance to experience the other car as well, I know I definately do! Like I said maybe you don't agree with me and think the ACR is unbeatable and thats your opinion, that would be nice but I don't believe it! I have been racing for a long time and I know every dog has his day and there is always someone faster, so I don't talk smack I show up at the track and find out first hand, some of you guys ought to get it out and try it yourself its more fun than talking smack on the discussion boards.
Chuck
Your used to the older generations. We asked the engineers about damage to the car and they said the '08s were different and handled differently when the limited was hit, they said it doesnt cut out like the old models.
Brad
Who cares? This is a thread about how awesome the ACR is. Anyone coming in here rattling off every excuse the vette boys can think of will get treated in the same manner. Who cares what other cars he has?
Being objective is not the same as being contrarian for the sake of appearing smarter than everyone else. There will NEVER be two runs that are identical with different cars. The only true way to accomplish this is through computer simulation, but what's the point in that? There's nobody here that thinks this is the final word on the Ring. We're enjoying the victory for today while we have it. In a week, month, year.... someone else will break this record. But you can bet this run has put everyone on notice. It's an accomplishment worth celebrating over... so go *** on someone else's parade.
I seriously doubt that.
Don't be an idiot... records are meant to be broken
Ok, the 2010 ACR is going to beat that time.
Where is your sense of humor? I was only pulling your leg.
Its not popular to say this here but the ZR1 is no joke despite losing the Ring King title. It still did a phenominal 7:26.
I agree completely. We should keep congratulating the ZR1 folks for being only 4 seconds slower than the ACR.
at the end of the run the Corvette still had a warranty. The ACR didn't.
explain please
Maybe I missed it, but wasn't the Vette's visit to the ring a "private" affair? As far as I'm aware, there was no actual third party verification of their time. It was all done and certified by GM. Not that this would suggest that they cheated, but if anything, it's far more likely that GM's run(s) were far better "prepped & tuned" for the ring than were SRT's.
ACR warranty is null and void if you take it to the track.
I wonder if thats the case with zr1/z06?
Is that true? How do you know?
The Ring is not a racetrack. It is an open to the public toll road. Warranty should still be in effect.
As I understand it, there is a seal on the shocks, so if you adjust the shocks and break the seal, you will void the warranty. That is referened in the Road & Track article, as I recall. So yea, use the ACR as it was intended, and your warranty is void. Bummer, eh? Maybe you can change the shocks when you get your car, and keep the 'sealed' ones in case you have a warranty issue. (Don't tell anyone that I said to do that).The Ring is not a racetrack. It is an open to the public toll road. Warranty should still be in effect.
As I understand it, there is a seal on the shocks, so if you adjust the shocks and break the seal, you will void the warranty. That is referened in the Road & Track article, as I recall. So yea, use the ACR as it was intended, and your warranty is void. Bummer, eh? Maybe you can change the shocks when you get your car, and keep the 'sealed' ones in case you have a warranty issue. (Don't tell anyone that I said to do that).
Maybe I missed it, but wasn't the Vette's visit to the ring a "private" affair? As far as I'm aware, there was no actual third party verification of their time. It was all done and certified by GM. Not that this would suggest that they cheated, but if anything, it's far more likely that GM's run(s) were far better "prepped & tuned" for the ring than were SRT's.
we need some toll roads like that here.