Another New PS2 ... Old Dot Post

[ROCKET62]

Since the other post was getting a little long winded with a mix of real info and personal attacks - I thought I'd start a "Fresh" post.

I just received my SRT size tires that I purchased from the VPA.
Front PS2 manufacture date - 0311. Rear date - 1408 - so YES my "new" rear tires are 3 years old.

Would I prefer fresher tires - yes - but am I concerned - no.

As VPA states they get their products shipped directly from the manufacturer - one would have to assume they were stored correctly. My install date will be March 2011 which starts the warranty period and I plan to burn this set up within 2 years anyway!

C'mon SPRING!

PS - still looking for a good parking lot near the quad cities to do a send off of my old PS2's! They're pretty worn - but one real good burn out would be a proper way to send them to tire heaven.

 

[intense5.5]

PS - still looking for a good parking lot near the quad cities to do a send off of my old PS2's! They're pretty worn - but one real good burn out would be a proper way to send them to tire heaven.

Just leave enough to get you home!

 

[Viper Parts of America]

Yep - like Tire Rack, PartsRack, and others have reported in that other thread, it seems that Michelin is still shipping 2008 rears. While the fronts are common to other cars, the rears are pretty specific. Makes you wonder if they didn't build a bunch for "The Viper Year That Never Was" (2007) and have been playing catch-up ever since. Just to be safe, we put a note on our site (full disclosure don't you know) and are even taking a return on a set so the buyer can wait for Michelin to come up with "fresher" tires. Hopefully the wait won't be too long...

 

[ROCKET62]

It would be interesting to know how many Viper rears in SRT sizes that Michelin has. Might be a good bargaining tool to get a better price on these "old" tires. Also probably explains why they are not releasing the Pilot Super Sport in a Viper size.

 

[Viper Parts of America]

It would also be interesting to know if they had produced those sizes after 2008 or stopped making them altogether until such time as their supply decreased. Guess we will be making a few calls!

 

[ViperGTS]

>>>ne would have to assume they were stored correctly<<<

That's the key - if you trust them - o.k. - I wont because 3 years is a very very long time and who knows where the tires have been stored for such a long time. Not at the high price of the tires!

 

[TI3VOM]

Yep - like Tire Rack, PartsRack, and others have reported in that other thread, it seems that Michelin is still shipping 2008 rears. While the fronts are common to other cars, the rears are pretty specific. Makes you wonder if they didn't build a bunch for "The Viper Year That Never Was" (2007) and have been playing catch-up ever since. Just to be safe, we put a note on our site (full disclosure don't you know) and are even taking a return on a set so the buyer can wait for Michelin to come up with "fresher" tires. Hopefully the wait won't be too long...

Well done VPA, That is all that is needed, I put on my "NEW" 2008 Kumho Ecsta XS tires over this past week and they are just as sticky as I would imagine they could be with a 2011 DOT.

 

[lagalaxy13]

Looking to get tires soon, is only a certain suppiler selling these or everyone.

 

[elvis1]

Just blew out a rear tire on my 2004. Ordered a new one and it came in from the manufacturer 1408dot also. New tire 3 years old!?

 

[ViperGTS]

Just blew out a rear tire on my 2004. Ordered a new one and it came in from the manufacturer 1408dot also. New tire 3 years old!?

never mix different tires (new [old] thread and old one) on one axle.

 

[elvis1]

My other tire on the rear is new, it only has 500 miles. The tire I blew was brand new, big time bummer!

 

[Dom426h]

elvis1 , how did it blow? What was the object that punctured and where was the flaw?
You possibly could have just patched it with one of the patch/plug combos. ///MZ3.Net - Z Rated Tire Patch-Plug
I've had one holding up great in my rear for a year now with a trackday & several autocrosses

 

[Luke@tirerack]

As VPA states they get their products shipped directly from the manufacturer - one would have to assume they were stored correctly. My install date will be March 2011 which starts the warranty period and I plan to burn this set up within 2 years anyway!

your tires were not shipped directly from Michelin. They were shipped from their tire wholesaler. I would be surprised if they were not stored correctly ...

on a side note Michelin has been shipping 2011 production tires in the SRT10 sizes

 

[elvis1]

I wish I would have known about this patch. Although it was a very large hole (size of my baby finger) so I was scared of a patch. It was right between the deep tread and must have been a bolt or something. It blew out with a bang then deflated very quickly. It happened right by a service station, they put in two plugs side by side and I was able to get home. I was only about a mile from home. When I got it back in the garage it was nearly out of air. That patch does look interesting though. I will remember it.

 

[markk]

I just had PS2s installed on my car. 0609 on the fronts and 0909 on the rears. They came from TireRack's Delaware warehouse. I'm thrilled with the ride and I'm sure they were properly stored. The only downside is that it's harder to do burnouts.

 

[Dom426h]

I wish I would have known about this patch. Although it was a very large hole (size of my baby finger) so I was scared of a patch. It was right between the deep tread and must have been a bolt or something. It blew out with a bang then deflated very quickly. It happened right by a service station, they put in two plugs side by side and I was able to get home. I was only about a mile from home. When I got it back in the garage it was nearly out of air. That patch does look interesting though. I will remember it.

Below is some more info on it. They can work for larger punctures as well. I had something big puncture my trucks tire and they took the biggest one (i think 7/16") and drilled my hole out even&big enough for the plug to work. Once you see the whole process done properly you'll understand just how strong these things can be if done right. Before i had one done on the Viper i had done more research on em and thoroughly knew the install process so that i could supervise the install and personally approve of it for Track use.

Tires - Patch or Plug

 

[Bill Pemberton Woodhouse]

I would sure not recommend plugs to anyone with a high speed rated tire. We will not do any repairs on Viper tires, and know most Tire Shops will not do them either . Luke at the Tire Rack can hopefully chime in , but don't think this is a good suggestion for anyone owning a Snake in my opinion.

 

[TrackAire]

I wish I would have known about this patch. Although it was a very large hole (size of my baby finger) so I was scared of a patch. It was right between the deep tread and must have been a bolt or something. It blew out with a bang then deflated very quickly. It happened right by a service station, they put in two plugs side by side and I was able to get home. I was only about a mile from home. When I got it back in the garage it was nearly out of air. That patch does look interesting though. I will remember it.

Your tire shop did a major fail....they could have put even more plugs in that wound to hold pressure. Obviously they did not do a good job checking to see if the repair leaked. At a Viper run to Infineon Raceway last year, one of our members ran over a 3/8" bolt on his rear tire. I had to put in about 7 plugs (actually seen as 14 because they are doubled over when put in) to get it to hold air. We tested it with 40 psi at the event, he drove home and 3 days later it still had 40 psi in. He then wisely replaced it with a new Michelin. When installing external plugs (an emergency only solution for high performance tires/cars...just to get you home or to a tire shop) use Windex as a leak detector. Keep installing plugs until until you see no more bubbles. Windex will show the smallest of leaks, soapy water has too many variables to be as effective.

There are also a lot of different quality plugs on the market. The big brown furry looking units made in the USA (look for names like Safety Seal, Xtra Seal, etc) were found to be superior to the black Chinese units you find in Walmart, Pep Boys, etc when we tested them. We build misssion specific tire repair kits for the military and tested numerous plugs on the market. I also highly recommend you find a tire and rim at a garage sale or at a wrecking yard and practice plugging a tire. Poke holes in it, drill bigger holes in it, slice cuts in it, etc and learn to do it and what it takes to make the wound hold air. No amount of reading or watching videos on tire repair will make you proficient, it's a hands on learning experience.

I have used external plugs on our company vehicles and trucks, never had a problem if done right. A plug patch would be an even better solution.

Personally, I would not have a problem with a plug patch (if installed correctly and sealant is put over the patch internally) on a street driven Viper that was used for cruising, etc. I would even autocross on a repaired tire. But I would NOT use any tire that was repaired for high speed driving (standing mile, drag racing, road racing).

Cheers,
George

 

[elvis1]

Your tire shop did a major fail....they could have put even more plugs in that wound to hold pressure. Obviously they did not do a good job checking to see if the repair leaked. At a Viper run to Infineon Raceway last year, one of our members ran over a 3/8" bolt on his rear tire. I had to put in about 7 plugs (actually seen as 14 because they are doubled over when put in) to get it to hold air. We tested it with 40 psi at the event, he drove home and 3 days later it still had 40 psi in. He then wisely replaced it with a new Michelin. When installing external plugs (an emergency only solution for high performance tires/cars...just to get you home or to a tire shop) use Windex as a leak detector. Keep installing plugs until until you. Bsee no more bubbles. Windex will show the smallest of leaks, soapy water has too many variables to be as effective.

There are also a lot of different quality plugs on the market. The big brown furry looking units made in the USA (look for names like Safety Seal, Xtra Seal, etc) were found to be superior to the black Chinese units you find in Walmart, Pep Boys, etc when we tested them. We build misssion specific tire repair kits for the military and tested numerous plugs on the market. I also highly recommend you find a tire and rim at a garage sale or at a wrecking yard and practice plugging a tire. Poke holes in it, drill bigger holes in it, slice cuts in it, etc and learn to do it and what it takes to make the wound hold air. No amount of reading or watching videos on tire repair will make you proficient, it's a hands on learning experience.

I have used external plugs on our company vehicles and trucks, never had a problem if done right. A plug patch would be an even better solution.

Personally, I would not have a problem with a plug patch (if installed correctly and sealant is put over the patch internally) on a street driven Viper that was used for cruising, etc. I would even autocross on a repaired tire. But I would NOT use any tire that was repaired for high speed driving (standing mile, drag racing, road racing).

Cheers,
George

Thanks for the info. It does sound like I made the right move in getting a news one. I do plan on some higher speed driving and I would not be comfortable with this tire.

 

[JonB]

I would be delighted to drive NEW 2008 dates on my Vipers, on track, and allow loved ones to do so.

SRT sizes HAVE been produced in 2010, and our most recent stocks of SRT-PS2s out the door are Mfr dates of 14/10 and 19/10. So 2010 REAR are arriving now...some fronts are 2010 and 2011.

 

[JonB]

I just had PS2s installed on my car. 0609 on the fronts and 0909 on the rears. They came from TireRack's Delaware warehouse. I'm thrilled with the ride and I'm sure they were properly stored. The only downside is that it's harder to do burnouts.

Just a note, Your 17" tires are not on the same production schedule as SRT tires.
Glad U Like em.. Thanks

 

[Luke@tirerack]

Personally, I would not have a problem with a plug patch (if installed correctly and sealant is put over the patch internally) on a street driven Viper that was used for cruising, etc. I would even autocross on a repaired tire. But I would NOT use any tire that was repaired for high speed driving (standing mile, drag racing, road racing).

Cheers,
George

I think George has it spot on with his post and I would only add 1 thing. Most of the time biggest concern with a tire puncture is the contaminants (i.e. water, oil, and / or debris) that went in to the opening which can in many cases cause an internal separation between the belting, tread cap and inner liner.

 

[TrackAire]

I think George has it spot on with his post and I would only add 1 thing. Most of the time biggest concern with a tire puncture is the contaminants (i.e. water, oil, and / or debris) that went in to the opening which can in many cases cause an internal separation between the belting, tread cap and inner liner.

Luke is correct, one thing we found out is if you just use a standard patch on the inside of the tire (most common repair done by tire shops) the wound channel is still open to allow water or contaminants into the tire carcass between the belts. This can cause total blow outs and delamination at speed, obviously potentially deadly. The plug patch helps eliminate most of that concern since it patches and plugs the wound channel. But, nothing is going to be as good as a tire with no damage to it.

For high speed aggressive driving, just buy a new tire and don't chance it. Your life and the lives of others is not worth the cost savings.

Cheers,
George