Policy Limits and Torquemonster that is a perfect explanation of the situation....Dodge would sell all the Vipers they could make with a DCT or super fast shifting Auto....In no way should they discontinue the manual,as many still enjoy that. With this addition,the new Viper would dominate/be very competitive at the all race tracks(road race,drag strip and those 2:00am drag races in the glades)....
RESPECT BACK.....
I would be the first to buy one,but now a days,I have no interest in row gears or trying to launch any car at the drag strip with a manual......
Since when was the Viper ever a drag car? If all you want to do is to go fast in a straight line for a few seconds at a time then it hardly matters whether your in a viper or a minivan. It's about as much of a stretch to call drag racing "racing" as it is to call participating in video game tournaments a "sport". If you think about it, both are things fat guys do.
Quite a few of us have been saying this from the begining. On other forums across the internet the same thing has been said. If it had DCT etc. I read that Ralph said paddles are in the future and I also read he said no auto will ever be in the Viper etc. Viper-heads and conquest buyers want it. DCT = a smart move by Dodge that would be a no brainer. Imho for the G5 to sell at the levels Fiat/Dodge want it to it has to appeal to more than just track guys.
Someday you'll wake up and realize that consensus among people spouting off on the internet is somewhere between worthless and pointless. The lack of an auto trans is not what's keeping the Viper's sales low. It's a general lack of advertising. Even as we speak there are plenty of people who still don't know the Gen 5 exists and is for sale. There are plenty of potential buyers that would snap up a Gen 5 at its original MSRP if they were aware.
I guess some think I am a troll as I've not bought one yet
Like many words, "troll" is tossed around without much thought. Somebody says something another doesn't like, one must be a troll. It's just a manifestation of stupid. Trolls are people who say stuff like "Vipers **** because my honda has 200 HP per liter and the viper needs 10 cylinders to make power", or Jack B who fabricates viper problems then pretends to solve them by wrapping his engine in foil and duck tape.
On closed roads a simple mistake like letting off the clutch too quickly and deep on downshifts might throw you offline - not good if that takes you into the loose crap and there's a bank or cliff or tree. Maybe as I get older I just want the fun without having to be perfect all the time, especially with the responsibility in my case of invariably having a passenger - often my wife. In my case having an off does not mean a slide into sand - it could be serious - therefore I feel safer with one less thing to think about.
That's what the stability control feature helps with. Manual trans puts the tach in the middle for a reason...you drive by revs and should already be in the appropriate gear before you are off the brakes. Paddle shifters are a crutch...let's not confuse convenience with necessity. If safety is a concern then buy a racing game for playstation or xbox and replace the car entirely with tech.
It takes a lot of seat time to get good and rowing shifts with big power on demanding courses and be good at it. I get that being a big attraction - but I want to live and have fun, and can't spend enough days at the track to get competitive against guys that have been doing this for years.... so a high tech trans would be great for people like me.
Next thing we'll have people whining about the lack of rear seats, the noisy engine, the cabin heat...so we'll need to make the viper longer for the seats, quieter so it doesn't disturb your delicate sensibilities, more padding to keep the heat outside and what else? More cup holders? Why stop with DCT...because there are so few cars with paddle shifters out there, right?
I'm not a *****, I've driven my buddys twin turbo SRT10 and sure it is fun - intense to be more accurate.... but around a track my C63 would be right there because I can drive it to the max, and the TT SRT10 is all over the place if you try that - so you have to be very smooth, very conservative, and hold back... not as much fun except out on highway rolls etc where you can give it to it.
Except that you're not entirely driving the C63, you're relying on tech crutches to make up for your lack of skill. Nothing wrong with not being good at something, but there's a lot of wrong in believing you're good at something when you need tech assists and nannies to 'enable' your abilities. One of the defining traits of the Viper the sense of danger and unease you get when behind the wheel due to it having more power on tap than the average rich middle-aged guy can control.
The single biggest complaint of the Gen V "trolls" was price. It was overpriced for what you got. The argument was at the asking prices it should have had more HP, bodywork, etc. Guess what happened? They kept specs the same, lowered the price to where it should be (according to trolls), and it sold.
OP you just started a thread that positively confirms the trolls were right. If the trolls were to resurface it would just be rubbing salt in the wound that the blind followers were wrong all along. Check mate.
You're missing a basic psychological element that's at play. After pricing it high, then offering it at a discount the perceived value increases as most people process that as getting a $120K car for under $120K. If the original MSRP was sub-$100K it would likely have experienced the same sales performance due to a pitiful marketing and advertising campaign.
Lol at the continued name calling. I laugh at the irony of past posts saying that the G5 bashers are costing the Viper sales and turning away potential buyers because of the negativity yet those that are interested in the future of the car possibly being equipped with the options they want/need, are then relegated to being called ***, trolls, kids with no money (I'm sure far worse names via PM) and other colorful names by owners because they didnt make the purchase and dared to voice their opinion on what would make the car more suited to them. Hopefully Dodge doesnt share the view exhibited here of its past and potential future customers who didn't buy the car for the reasons they have laid out here etc.
Yes, yes...let all these 'potential viper buyers' tell us how if the viper was like the 911 they would have bought it. What they're saying is that the Viper is not the car for them. Plain and simple. It was never meant to be a car with mass appeal in terms of buyers. All name-calling in that sense is well deserved by the recipients.
