ATF+4 suitable for '92 - '02 Viper Power Steering?

[Ron]

ATF+4 suitable for \'92 - \'02 Viper Power Steering?

1. Was told by a Viper tech that all year Vipers can use ATF+4 in place of traditional Mopar Power Steering fluid.

2. ATF+4 bottle states that it can be used only on "post 1998" Chrysler power steering systems.

3. Mopar All Climate P/S fluid is now discontinued and ATF+4 is superceeded by ATF+4.

The question.... Can a 1996 GTS use ATF+4 and if so, is ATF+4 a superior fluid?

Thanks

 

[Viper Wizard]

Re: ATF+4 suitable for \'92 - \'02 Viper Power Steering?

WHAT?
That's not a Viper Tech your talking to!! He's full of it!!

"Power Steering Fluid" from "Mopar" #4883077 "For use in all P/S systems."

DC is just starting to use ATF-4 in some of their vehicles [03 Caravans].
92-02 Vipers USE 4883077 fluid!

 

[Ron]

Re: ATF+4 suitable for \'92 - \'02 Viper Power Steering?

As I suspected Chuck, Thanks!

 

[DChan415]

Re: ATF+4 suitable for \'92 - \'02 Viper Power Steering?

Redline!

 

[Tom F&L GoR]

Re: ATF+4 suitable for \'92 - \'02 Viper Power Steering?

Psst. Mopar All Climate PSF = GM Cold Climate PSF.

 

[Ron]

Re: ATF+4 suitable for \'92 - \'02 Viper Power Steering?

Thanks Tom, should have asked you first!

 

[ViperJoe]

Re: ATF+4 suitable for \'92 - \'02 Viper Power Steering?

The "SUPREME and <REAL>" Viper tech has spoken! (again) LOL!!
Thanks Chuck!

 

[Daniel Cragin/DC Performance Inc]

Re: ATF+4 suitable for \'92 - \'02 Viper Power Steering?

ATF + 4 will not take the heat. Use the factory all temp fluid or go to on of the synthetics on the market.

 

[Viper Wizard]

Re: ATF+4 suitable for \'92 - \'02 Viper Power Steering?

The "SUPREME and <REAL>" Viper tech has spoken! (again) LOL!!
Thanks Chuck!

Last week cudent spell mer-can-ick, now I are one?

 

[jk]

Re: ATF+4 suitable for \'92 - \'02 Viper Power Steering?

A few months ago my steering rack had to be replaced on my SRT/10, and the Viper Tech (who I trust completely) told me that DC says that factory fill is PS fluid, but refill after repair is with ATF. Granted, this is not the Gen 1/2 power steering system, but maybe this Viper tech was thinking about Gen 3s.

 

[95Viper]

Re: ATF+4 suitable for \'92 - \'02 Viper Power Steering?

I'm pulling an old post out.
Local Viper owner came over Saturday and we changed his trans, diff, brake, clutch and power steering fluids. Everything went smooth on the Cytech DoublePark lift, I love that thing. Got to the power steering and after we had the old fluid out, he handed me the ATF fluid the dealer told him to put in. We debated this and pulled out his 99 GTS Service Manual. It specifically states in bold letter to NOT use Automatic Trans Fluid.
I ended up draining my fluid and putting it in his just to get him home. I'll buy Mopar #4883077 as the Wizard says to refill.

 

[Tom F&L GoR]

Re: ATF+4 suitable for \'92 - \'02 Viper Power Steering?

The main difference (and it is not so different as years ago) is that PSF needs more anti-wear performance to protect the high pressure vane pump in a power steering application. The ATF doesn't have this level of wear protection, and it's more of a balancing act anyway due to the controlled friction required for ATF.

ATF + (a little more anti-wear) = PSF

 

[TorQ Junkie]

Re: ATF+4 suitable for \'92 - \'02 Viper Power Steering?

How much is needed for the fluid change?

 

[Ron]

Re: ATF+4 suitable for \'92 - \'02 Viper Power Steering?

I have a power steering pump problem with my Taurus and decided not to pull the fluid out of the pump via suction like I usually do, (via a Vacula) and replace repetitively to purge old, but instead to disconnect the return hose, place it into a container and pour fresh quarts of new PS fluid while my son spun the wheel left and right with engine on.

Bad idea.... the velocity of the return line turned it into a spitting snake while the screaming of my quickly dry pump demanded more fluid all the while, despite my yelling, my son dutifully continued turning the wheel left and right. In the end, 6 quarts of PSF all over the garage including the Viper.

Live and learn.

 

[3snakes]

Re: ATF+4 suitable for \'92 - \'02 Viper Power Steering?

yrs. ago you both hoses were the same on power seerting. hook them up wrong turn the wheel it would take off turning by itself. chuck i think i will use the fliud you say to use.

 

[95Viper]

Re: ATF+4 suitable for \'92 - \'02 Viper Power Steering?

How much is needed? I bought one bottle (quart), used turkey baster to **** out, filled...only tool about 1/3 of the bottle...took a drive...next day repeated.

 

[Ron]

Re: ATF+4 suitable for \'92 - \'02 Viper Power Steering?

Craig,

The way your doing it, (and I should have) via dilution, it's straight math. At what level of dilution do you feel the fluid is fresh? For me, I'd like over 80%. Of course to be 100% accurate you need the capacity which I don't know, but if you were to guess around 3 qts you'd probably be close.

 

[Steve-Indy]

Re: ATF+4 suitable for \'92 - \'02 Viper Power Steering?

For what it's worth, I usually go through 2 qts. for the whole process...and, have been quite satisfied...using the Mopar fluid mentioned above by Viper Wizard.

 

[95Viper]

Re: ATF+4 suitable for \'92 - \'02 Viper Power Steering?

2 or 3 quarts? Are you guys serious? Hmmm, maybe I should reconsider.

I only used 1 quart. I sucked out all I could and it came out to be about 1/3 of the bottle. I'm going to do it again tonight and I'll see how much I have left over.

With 2 or 3 quarts, you'd do the process 5, 6, or maybe even up to 8 times. Isn't that overkill?

 

[Steve-Indy]

Re: ATF+4 suitable for \'92 - \'02 Viper Power Steering?

UPDATED INFO FROM ANOTHER THREAD on 7/7/04:

" THANKS, Tom (Sessions)...can see how this is confusing folks since the fluid recommemded in the RECALL on Cooling Mod/Steering IS WRONG (and REMAINS UNCORRECTED in the downloadable recall database !!!).

TSB from Aug 03 makes it clear that WE NEED TO USE ATF+4 in 2003 and 2004 Viper SRT-10's "

THANKS, again, Tom, Mike, and Viper Wizard for your help !!!

 

[Steve-Indy]

Re: ATF+4 suitable for \'92 - \'02 Viper Power Steering?

BUMP...for Ron's sake !!!