Balinger,Borla or Corsa

[MES]

OMG another exhaust question

Well I have had all 3 (sort of) and I would spend <FONT size="4">your</FONT s> money on the Corsa, then I would spend any extra of <FONT size="4">your</FONT s> money down at a local Gentleman's club

Belanger sounds like a race car and really really LOUD

Borla sounds like the Belanger but slightly quieter and a deeper rumble

Corsa don't sound like either of the two but it is MUCH quieter during cruise but still loud at WOT. Go to Corsa's web site the example sound file sounds very close to the real thing.

 

[Makara]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ScottP:
BTR- Belanger's Exhaust!!!!

I've had another company offer to give me a set of their headers/exhust(free) and I said NO! I like the note/preformance...great service from Tom/BTR.

Good luck

ScottP
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I just had Belangers put onto my 94 RT/10 with high flow cats. It is LOUD. The sound is really wicked. The viper finially sounds the way it looks. I work right next to the studio where the Man Show is taped so on my way back to work from the gym I gave the car a little gas as I approached the area where the models line up to audition. I kid you not 2/3 of the models stood up and started cheering. I am not sure if I am breaking any noise laws so when I am in traffic or near cops I change to a high gear and idle. Has anyone gotten a ticket for having loud pipes yet?

 

[JonB]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Makara:
I just had Belangers put onto my 94 RT/10 with high flow cats....... The sound is really wicked. The viper finally sounds the way it looks.........I kid you not 2/3 of the models stood up and started cheering. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Glad you like the system, but there is a retroactive $100 SURCHARGE for any system that attracts models !!!

Note to Tom: This SIDEPIPER above is a unique system that will NOT sound like your GTS....And this thread is 100% proof that "Beauty Is In The EAR Of The Beholder!" Borla guys love Borla, Corsa guys love Corsa, Belanger Guys love Belanger....But the ONLY customer anecdotes we have of SPECTATOR VOTES (400+) were for a Belanger. (Corsa 3" was not present!!!!!)

 

[GTS Bruce]

If you are looking for that melodious v-10 sound instead of a ratty sound get the Corsa.Heard a lot of systems recently at the glen.Did not like the side pipe cars at all.Sounded like ratty v-8's.BUT music is in the ear of the beholder.A Corsa makes the car sing like a 10 should.Only a 12 could sound better. Bruce

 

[C O D Y]

Tom, I fail to see the problem?

3 vipers.....

3 different exhaust......


Anyway, I too am thinking of adding a catback system, so guys who have heard them all please respond. You have to be our ears, so please be honest.

 

[jimandela]

myothercarsaviper,
i know snakeoly was not in your choices but i have the sub-exhaust ($500) and i love it .. all it does it remove the garbage can size rear muffler with straight pipe and nice chrome tips... the sound i think is great and the resonance is there but
not too unbearable i sort of like it... every one who drives with me says they love the sound!!
so for a very inexpensive fix try a sub exhaust system...
I am very happy with it!!
best wishes
JIM

 

[Russ M]

Any one of the systems is a great improvement over stock, and depending on your year can give great hp increase. Here is my personal oppinion:

1)Corsa sounded a bit to stock for me at normal driving conditions, and the exhaust tips even though made to be eye catching stick out way 2 far. They actualy look like someone just went to a muffler shop and welded them to the back of the factory exhaust.
2)Bellanger sounded great and looks right, and I believe is the only system out there where BTR will guarantee the power output if used in conjunction with the header.
3)Borla sounds like the bellanger a bit cheaper fits perfect, the hangers do need to be cut a bit but very simple to do for any muffler shop. Produces good hp gains, but does have the great guarante from BTR.

 

[ACR Joe]

Ok, I'll weigh in. I did the entire Belanger thing. It fits perfectly, is of very high quality, sounds great and enhances performance noticably; maybe not the 50 rwhp as advertised but substancial SOTP improvement to be sure. My 1/4 time dropped by 0.5 sec. - you do the math. Folks talk about the Belanger system being overpriced - heck, check out some of the prices offered by some of the big name tuners if you want to see overpriced.

Sound is as it should be - fairly loud and like a race car. No cats, 2 additional mufflers but still loud. No cats also means pretty nasty smell at times. Oh yea, there's the c/e light with no cats and also because of the location of the forward O2 sensor in the Belanger headers which I believe has been corrected.

BTR Tom is a pretty cool guy. He does what he says he's going to do and I really like that. At the time I bought, I felt order definition between BTR and Belanger could have been better but they have probably worked that out. The headers are mild steel, the rest of the system is SS. I can't remember the rationale for mild steel headers - Tom?

I would criticize all a/m exhaust/header mfgs. for not having dyno #'s. Drag strip #'s are BS; too many variables. Put it on the dyno for objective data. I know many will disagree with this statement but I evolved from an automotive engineering background and feel strongly about this point.

If I had to do it all over again, I would buy Belanger's from BTR. I've gotten nothing but compliments over the sound; on the track - ohmagod.

Hey, I gotta go to bed - bye, bye ......

 

[Doug Supercharged Vipers]

Jim -
Your right .... Replacing the sub exhaust is a simple mod that won't tradeoff performance and is very inexpensive to do. Of course, most effective on a mildly modified Viper.

Regards,
Doug

 

[Phil]

I personally will go for the Corsa 3inch exhaust system since I recently installed in my car. I've had loud, race sound like exhaust before. But trust me, if you ever planning on driving the snake for a long trip, you will be please how quiet the corsa sounds compares to the others especially when you roll up your windows. The belanger, borla do sounds muscular, but it kills my ear during a long trip.

By all means, the Corsa sounds great when you step on the gas!

After all, I guess this is a personal preference kind of thing. Some like this and some like that. Good Luck!

 

[C O D Y]

Are the Belanger's stainless steal?


<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ACR Joe:


The headers are mild steel, the rest of the system is SS. I can't remember the rationale for mild steel headers - Tom?

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[Will]

All I can say is that when I do my exhaust/header mods I plan on going with the Corsa 3" and the Belanger headers (have not decided on highflow cat manufacturer yet). Based on all my research the Belanger headers seem to be the best "fitting" for the Viper. Additionally, I was informed that all the wheel to wheel racers with the highest HP dyno results had either Belanger or Archer headers (yes, I know that much more accounted for the significant HP gains).

With regard to the exhaust, I do not want to be obnoxiously loud at idle or have any interior resonance. I do, however, want a deeper tone and nice sounding acceleration. As Dan pointed out, quality wise, Corsa beats out the other brands and the tips do look nice. Quieter at idle, but NICE during acceleration.

JMHO

Will

 

[Steve 00RT/10]

The Belanger system(Tom Welch--BTR) works for us. It is one mean sounding exhaust. We have the entire system. It fit perfectly. Tom was very good to deal with. I took a day off work this spring, went to my local muffler shop, and installed the entire system in just under 4 hours. Having an exhaust guy and a rack works well to minimize time. We have taken several long trips(500 miles per day)and have no problem with the noise. Cruising in 6th gear, it's not a lot different than stock.
You can eliminate the rear muffler and put the stock tips back on for less than $50. I did that last year. It definitely improves the exhaust note over stock. As for the mild steel headers, I believe it is Belangers contention that they dissipate heat better than SS. They consider this a good thing. Others on this board say you should have heat. SS definitely does not transfer heat as well as aluminized steel tubing. T304 SS, which many make their systems from, is not a good grade of SS. If scratched, it will rust(lots of carbon content). If you go with SS, make sure it is T304L or better yet, use T316 or T317

Steve

 

[ACR Joe]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by C O D Y:
Are the Belanger's stainless steal?




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Belanger headers are mild steel. I must also add installation was quite simple using hand tools with the car on jack stands in my garage at home. They also look awesome.

 

[AviP]

I'm very surprised that all the opinions are based on the sound quality and hardly anything is being said about the performance. I guess there really isn't any quantitative comparison here about the merits of any single exhaust system.

Dyno comparisons from similar cars across the rpm range would be good for starters.

-Avi

 

[BWoodbury]

Belangers sound great, but you pay for it.

I really like the deeper rumble I get from my Borlas. And you can get a complete cat back system from Sean Roe for $1200! Other vendors are probably similar in price. My system fit really easy, no cutting!

 

[ACR Joe]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AviP:
I'm very surprised that all the opinions are based on the sound quality and hardly anything is being said about the performance. I guess there really isn't any quantitative comparison here about the merits of any single exhaust system.

Dyno comparisons from similar cars across the rpm range would be good for starters.

-Avi

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I'd bet that no header frees up more than 40 rwhp on stock motor and the performance range of all headers is ~ +/- 20%. IMO, that's it! Spin it any way you like, but until someone produces dyno data to prove otherwise, that's what I believe.

 

[luc]

I had the Mopar,same than the Borla on my 00 GTS and for ME it was way too noisy inside the car.
Felt like the engine was in the back.
Sold it to Bwoodbury,that seems to like it.
I have a Corsa (2.5)and while the power increase is not very noticeable,even 25 hp is only about 5%,I LOVE the quietness in the car.
Bottom line,if you drive your car long distance,the Corsa is better,but if you just drive few miles at the time and/or you like it loud,go for the Borla.
Luc.

 

[Makara]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by myothercarsaviper:
I am glad everyone is taking the time to chime in. To be real specific, I am only interested in sound. Performance is a bonus. I also do not plan on doing any other mods. Occasionally I hear Mustangs that sound better than my Viper! Yikes. This morning I deleted my muffler for $54. It does sound a lot nicer, and is more fun. However, it is not as much obnoxiousness as I would like.

Tom

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Well, I am not sure about the rear piped cars but on my sidepipe viper as I said before the belanger is loud. To give you an idea of how loud, I have an indoor and an outdoor parking lot at work that sit right next to each other. Today I set off several car alarms that were in the indoor lot when I was in the outdoor lot. Give Jon B. at the parts rack a call. I am sure that he can give you exactly what you are looking for. I am leaving to go to San Fran tomorrow but when I get back I can try and record a sound clip if you are interested in hearing the car. Think 427 cobra with 2 extra cylinders.

 

[Backdoc7]

Only had my Viper two days.. but.. Belanger.. wow. i love the sound.. and i drove it 350 miles home.!!
Question.. does replacing the stock cats with high flow units eliminate any of the interior heat.. i have a 95 rt/10
Bill