belanger headers and paxton

[Matrix]

I have a 2006 srt-10 with the paxton SC. I´d like to install belanger headers. Must I change anything with the paxton software? What is the hp upgrade? What about the installation? Are the headers hard to install?

fabian

 

[black mamba1]

I have a 2006 srt-10 with the paxton SC. I´d like to install belanger headers. Must I change anything with the paxton software? What is the hp upgrade? What about the installation? Are the headers hard to install?

fabian

Contact Sean Roe at Roe Racing for a VEC 3 to get the proper a/f ratio, or Dan Cragin for flashing. You will get much more hp increase w/ the Belangers by also reducing the flow restrictions further down the exhaust and removing the crossover pipes. Yes, it will run a little louder but your power will improve significantly and your car will run much cooler and feel cooler in the cockpit. The following order plus the VEC 3 should be good for about 70 hp gain, plus or minus depending on your area. Your s/c will add alot of heat to your engine so I think it is important to run cooler by eliminating the exhaust restrictions further down.
DEFINITELY get a professional Viper tech to install the Belangers. The Belangers get very hot and will ignite things in your engine bay if they touch, so it is imperative you get them installed properly and get them insulated properly. It is difficult to predict your exact horsepower gains b/c mods compliment each other. It depends on the boost you are running and what kind of tuning you do. If you have not changed your pistons and other internals to handle the extra horsepower, your tuner will most likely keep your Viper in the 675 to 700 rwhp range to keep your engine and tranny from flying apart! There are many people in this forum MUCH more smarter than me, check out Joseph Dell, Plumcrazy, or The Wizard, Chuck Tator...even though I gave you some info, those guys are 100x more knowledgeable than me!
GOOD LUCK!


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1 - set, Belanger headers and side pipes = $3795.00
1 - Roe Racing side sill insulation kit = $129.95

 

[Matrix]

Here are my mods: I have eliminated the crossovers, I have remove the secondary cats, installed a 2,5" corsa track, 7,5psi boost with paxton, dlm intercooler upgrade ( bigger water pump and bigger water cooler), better belt tensioner from dlm, MSD ignition wires, NGK 4554 spark plugs, 160° thermostat, side sill insulation kit, yellow brake pads, 13,5x20" HRE 540R rear wheels, 10x19" HRE 540R front wheels, KW suspension, 8000K HID Fog-lights, 4-point OMP Seat Belts

 

[Flyntgr]

Lou Bellanger says the Paxton installation will NOT require a change of the standard Bellanger headers' exhaust pipes. The 2.5" pipes will "scavage" better than larger pipes, like a jet engine booster has a pickle inside to REDUCE the exhaust interior diameter of the exhaust to increase the velocity of exiting air flow. That's the result of many hours of trial work and he swears it is true, unless you are going to build MORE than 1,500 rwhp. Chances are, you won't build that much with a simple paxton, VEC3, etc.

 

[black mamba1]

Here are my mods: I have eliminated the crossovers, I have remove the secondary cats, installed a 2,5" corsa track, 7,5psi boost with paxton, dlm intercooler upgrade ( bigger water pump and bigger water cooler), better belt tensioner from dlm, MSD ignition wires, NGK 4554 spark plugs, 160° thermostat, side sill insulation kit, yellow brake pads, 13,5x20" HRE 540R rear wheels, 10x19" HRE 540R front wheels, KW suspension, 8000K HID Fog-lights, 4-point OMP Seat Belts

Hey Matrix, nice mods, any rwhp numbers?

 

[Viper X]

I have a 2006 srt-10 with the paxton SC. I´d like to install belanger headers.

Are you going "out the side" with the complete system or retaining the crossovers?

Must I change anything with the paxton software?

No, but you should have the air fuel ratio checked by a pro and adjusted as necessary. You should run the Paxton FMU in the richest position. Check the manual.

What is the hp upgrade?

Varies. You may get another 30 ro 40 rwhp.

What about the installation? Are the headers hard to install?

No, very straight forward.

Dan

 

[Matrix]

Hey Matrix, nice mods, any rwhp numbers?

not yet. I will go to dyno in the next 2 weeks.

after this I will go up with the boost till 10 or 12 psi, new rods, pistons, bearings and so on.. I wait since some weeks for the offer from dlm.

fabian

 

[Matrix]

I have a 2006 srt-10 with the paxton SC. I´d like to install belanger headers.

Are you going "out the side" with the complete system or retaining the crossovers?

Must I change anything with the paxton software?

No, but you should have the air fuel ratio checked by a pro and adjusted as necessary. You should run the Paxton FMU in the richest position. Check the manual.

What is the hp upgrade?

Varies. You may get another 30 ro 40 rwhp.

What about the installation? Are the headers hard to install?

No, very straight forward.

Dan

Yes I am going out the side. How can I change or check the air to fuel ratio?

fabian

 

[mjorgensen Woodhouse]

Paxton can supply you with varying sizes of "disks" that will adjust the amount of fuel called for in the FMU. You will need to do this on the dyno though to get it right.

 

[DMan]

Side note - after blowing a head gasket due to a FMU failure I took an oath to always install a good A/F guage on anything I S/C. If you're getting the header install, it'd be easy to just have the tech weld a **** in and hook up a nice A/F guage to the steering column, or whatever, so you can relax in knowing your A/F is OK - or is off for some reason ... before you see white smoke in your rearview mirror. Just a thought since the engine will live or die on the performance of that little FMU.

 

[ViperTony]

If you're going to install Belanger headers with this setup make certain you either order the Belangers with the O2 sensor **** located in the collector, not in the #3 & #4 primaries, or weld in a **** in the collectors. You want to make certain the O2 is sniffing all 5 cylinders not just one. The earlier Belanger's had the O2 **** located in the collector but then moved it to the primary tube when the O2's didn't heat up enough and threw codes on some cars. The downside to the single tube location is that if that particular cylinder is running rich or lean the PCM will adjust the entire bank accordingly. I've been told that this is especially true for blown cars and the safest location for the O2 sensors is in the collector. I'm in the process of relocating my **** (insert comment here) now.

 

[Dave T(BADVENM)]

I took my truck to PBJ this past April to have a VEC3 installed and my truck tuned.

Baseline dyno off the trailer was 629 rwhp/640 rwtq

Best no **** dyno after addition of VEC3 and tune from Joe Donovan was 672 rwhp/640 rwtq

Final dyno after water/**** and tune from Joe Donovan was 702 rwhp/667 rwtq

Some have their cars shipped to someone who installs a conservative baseline tune through the split second software. The tune "off the trailer" was a tune Woodhouse did through someone they have tune the Vipers and SRT Rams.

By adding the VEC3 and a true custom/safe dyno tune from Joe Donovan of Performance by Joe I gained 43 rwhp and maintained my torque. The horsepower curve also DOES NOT fall off until after redline. The water/**** injection added another 30 rwhp. The a/f ratio is very safe and my AEM verifies it.

I'm currently running the VEC3 in addition to the Split Second software and DC Performance blower flash. A thanks goes out to Sean Roe who helped considerably in explaining how to run the VEC3 with the Split Second software.

 

[Viper X]

Hey Tony,

I just put a set of Belanger headers on my 06 coupe. It came with the 02 sensors sniffing all 5 cylinders. Maybe Belanger upgraded?

Dan

 

[ViperTony]

Hey Tony,

I just put a set of Belanger headers on my 06 coupe. It came with the 02 sensors sniffing all 5 cylinders. Maybe Belanger upgraded?

Dan

I think this is the standard location for Gen III Belanger's. For Gen II's, they're located in the primary. Regardless, they look and sound awesome.

- Tony

 

[verc]

Side note - after blowing a head gasket due to a FMU failure I took an oath to always install a good A/F guage on anything I S/C. If you're getting the header install, it'd be easy to just have the tech weld a **** in and hook up a nice A/F guage to the steering column, or whatever, so you can relax in knowing your A/F is OK - or is off for some reason ... before you see white smoke in your rearview mirror. Just a thought since the engine will live or die on the performance of that little FMU.

You know, in the last 10 years I've always been on the fence about gauges.

Fuel, oil pressure, and A/F or EGT - yes those are the health of the engine but if they go bad you are Fk'd already

I do not know one person who has been saved by their gauges. It's usually fuel or Oil pump out in the middle of a high G turn at the track and blows the motor. I have a friend who got a so-so tune from a new tuner and after a year noticed his A/Fs going lean and was able to take it in to correct it, but that's about it.

I've always just gotten the tune from the most reputable guy and then gone in for tweaks every half year. I've got gauges b/c I'm an engineer by profession and engineers like to know what the heck's going on - but I don't think they will save my motor.