Belanger Headers and S/C

[Larry Macedo]

Glenn Jordan's 98 GTS produced 617rwhp and 675rwtq utilizing a Roe S/C w/8 LB Pulley, Belanger Headers and Exhaust, M2 Tune, 1.7 Roller Rockers, 70mm TB's and Smooth Tubes. To date, that is the highest yielding Viper to utilize those components without upgrading the cylinder heads and camshaft that I know of. I may be wrong...

 

[BlueGTS]

Those are great numbers! Are you planning on using any water injection or is your timing / fuel tuning safe enough for 8psi without it?

 

[Shelby3]

Glenn Jordan's 98 GTS produced 617rwhp and 675rwtq utilizing a Roe S/C w/8 LB Pulley, Belanger Headers and Exhaust, M2 Tune, 1.7 Roller Rockers, 70mm TB's and Smooth Tubes. To date, that is the highest yielding Viper to utilize those components without upgrading the cylinder heads and camshaft that I know of. I may be wrong...

 

[Larry Macedo]

Hello Blue,

This car was built for roughly (8) months ago and from what I gather, is a daily driver. The owner resides in S. Florida, where it's nice and cool all year round.

 

[FE 065]

Kenny's got about 610hp with a 5lb pulley, no heads or cam..

 

[2MANYTOYS]

Glenn Jordan's 98 GTS produced 617rwhp and 675rwtq utilizing a Roe S/C w/8 LB Pulley, Belanger Headers and Exhaust, M2 Tune, 1.7 Roller Rockers, 70mm TB's and Smooth Tubes. To date, that is the highest yielding Viper to utilize those components without upgrading the cylinder heads and camshaft that I know of. I may be wrong...

 

[SUN RA KAT]

Kenny's got about 610hp with a 5lb pulley, no heads or cam..

My torque is a whole lot less, though, around 615 or so. The stock heads are holding back the real power of the 8 pound application, but the torque goes up. When he gets ported heads, his horsepower will be going up to around 700 rear wheel HP and the torque will be a little above that number as well.

I plan to upgrade my pistons, heads, cam, and fuel system and get Larry Macedo to do the VEC2 programming. Also, hope to put in an intercooler at the same time when Sean Roe has it available.

 

[Larry Macedo]

Kenny's got about 610hp with a 5lb pulley, no heads or cam..

That's pretty AWESOME power for a Creampuff! The most I was ever able to extract from a Creampuff with bolt-ons was 560-570rwhp and 600+rwtq with a Roe. Congrats to Kenny!

 

[BluBite]

Hey Larry,

Get back in the shop and get to work. People are waiting for their cars. lol

 

[fuelman]

Kenny's got about 610hp with a 5lb pulley, no heads or cam..

That's pretty AWESOME power for a Creampuff! The most I was ever able to extract from a Creampuff with bolt-ons was 560-570rwhp and 600+rwtq with a Roe. Congrats to Kenny!

Larry, are you getting old, you tuned my creampuff to 653 hp and 705 Tq on a 5 lb pulley!! Oops, that was with your Nitrous Kit with a 50-75 Hp shot. Anyways without the nitrous and in Florida's heat and humidty the car made 565 hp and 605 Tq, under the Macedo wand.

 

[VIPR GTS]

Kenny, show us your dyno slips. That is alot of power.

 

[Cudaman]

Kenny's got about 610hp with a 5lb pulley, no heads or cam..

That's pretty AWESOME power for a Creampuff! The most I was ever able to extract from a Creampuff with bolt-ons was 560-570rwhp and 600+rwtq with a Roe. Congrats to Kenny!

Larry, are you getting old, you tuned my creampuff to 653 hp and 705 Tq on a 5 lb pulley!! Oops, that was with your Nitrous Kit with a 50-75 Hp shot. Anyways without the nitrous and in Florida's heat and humidty the car made 565 hp and 605 Tq, under the Macedo wand.

Kenny has a 8 lbs pulley not 5.


Cudaman

 

[PBJ]

Hey Larry,
I don't want to bum you out, but I made that kind of power on my first Roe set up with similar mods...(2 resonators and 4 mufflers)(618 / 663). That was well over a year ago, since then I have gone past the 650 / 700 range on similar set ups. On the same modded cars I am over 750 / 1000 on a 55 shot or less. The way I see it, you still have some catching up to do... Don't take that the wrong way, it is only some friendly competition. I think I am going to have a few suprises for your Florida boys come December...we will see.
See ya soon,
Joe

 

[SUN RA KAT]

Kenny's got about 610hp with a 5lb pulley, no heads or cam..

That's pretty AWESOME power for a Creampuff! The most I was ever able to extract from a Creampuff with bolt-ons was 560-570rwhp and 600+rwtq with a Roe. Congrats to Kenny!

Larry, are you getting old, you tuned my creampuff to 653 hp and 705 Tq on a 5 lb pulley!! Oops, that was with your Nitrous Kit with a 50-75 Hp shot. Anyways without the nitrous and in Florida's heat and humidty the car made 565 hp and 605 Tq, under the Macedo wand.

Kenny has a 8 lbs pulley not 5.


Cudaman

Ward, I have the original 5 pound pulley, so maybe you are talking about a different Kenny.

Tony, Earlier this year I dynoed at Colletti Motorsports to check the air fuel ratio and fuel pressure and boost levels. They had trouble with the software giving a correct printout, but the numbers they got were accurate from their Dynojet. I ran 3 times - the first was to clear out the engine. Run #2 gave me 586.38 rwHP and 588.61 rwTorque. Run #3 gave me 580.95 rwHP and 592.73 rwTorque. (Plus the A/F Ratio of 12.0 and visual check of fuel pressure 58psi to 53 psi on Run #1 and 58psi to 60 psi and down to 52 psi on run #3. My boost creep went from 5 pounds to 6 pounds on all runs.) I called Sean Roe with the data and he told me that wrong SAE correction figure had been applied to the raw data and I was really in the mid 590's rwHP. I sent him my VEC2 cards and he reprogrammed them. Sean also said to check the adjustment of my T&D roller rockers because if they aren't right, I'd be losing 8-12 rwHP. Our Viper Tech, Bobby Loder, found 5 of my T&Ds were out of adjustment and adjusted them so they were all in proper adjustment. So I should be around 605-610 rwHP per the Colletti Dyno, which may or may not be total agreement with Larry Macedo's Dyno. Sean said the boost creep is caused by the heads not flowing enough, which is why your rwHP seems down but your rwTorque is closer to what is expected. Once you get your ported heads you should be seeing 700 rwHP and over 700 rwTorque with the mods you have. Also, the 3.55 gear seems to make less dyno HP and Torque than the 3.07 gear that I have. I conceed the Dayton area HP crown to you, though maybe in a few years I will be playing catch up. I suspect you will always be a better driver than me, partly because of your experience and partly because of your talent.

 

[Cudaman]

Sorry Kenny, I meant Glenn(Jordan).

Cudaman

 

[SUN RA KAT]

Ward, I hope someday to have enough money to do the needed mods so you can mean me!

 

[Larry Macedo]

Hello Joe,

The reason for my post was purely to dispell any rumors that Belanger headers don't make power on supercharged Vipers, not to pat myself on the back. As much as I enjoy friendly competition, I don't appreciate someone hijacking one of my threads, especially when I'm trying to prove a point. Just so you know, that particular Viper was built and tuned long ago.

On another note, if you go to www.v10nationals.com, you'll notice the TOP 3 cars hail from our stable. Not only that,(4) of our cars are in the TOP 10. So Joe, I think that pretty much says it all!

BTW, we have a few things in store for everyone when December rolls around.

 

[FE 065]

Hello Joe,The reason for my post was purely to dispell any rumors that Belanger headers don't make power on supercharged Vipers, not to pat myself on the back. As much as I enjoy friendly competition, I don't appreciate someone hijacking one of my threads, especially when I'm trying to prove a point. Just so you know, that particular Viper was built and tuned long ago.

You made the claim sound current by saying, " To date, that is the highest yielding Viper to utilize those components without upgrading the cylinder heads and camshaft that I know of. I may be wrong...



I don't see any hijacking.. You said it's the highest yielding Viper etc, opening the door wide for debate and counterclaim.



..besides, it's an open forum. I may be wrong

 

[HOdbleFman]

FIGHT!!!!

 

[Larry Macedo]

That is fantastic that Joe was able to make more power with the same mods a year later. The hijacking I was referring to is that he commented on a post I started stating I needed to "catch up," like I was just discovered toilets are actually in homes now instead of outhouses.

 

[99 R/T 10]

That is fantastic that Joe was able to make more power with the same mods a year later. The hijacking I was referring to is that he commented on a post I started stating I needed to "catch up," like I was just discovered toilets are actually in homes now instead of outhouses.

You just discovered the "crapper"? I didn't see your "outhouse" when I was there. Man, I need to look around next time

 

[PBJ]

Larry,
I was not trying to create a war, I was only giving you a little trouble...holy cow...I was only trying to say there are other guys out here trying just as hard as you to make these cars go fast. As far as the points go, maybe if the points were updated beyond Columbus there may be a new points leader. Who knows. You have a few years on me in this biz and a larger customer base to boot. I use guys like yourself, Levin, Heffner, SVS...etc to base my work off of. I try to keep up with the standards you guys have already set and excel in my business to be competitive. That was my point, nothing more and nothing less. I hope this doesn't mean that we cannot still be civil around each other, because I would miss the friendly rivalry between our customers. Anyway, Florida should be fun, I hope to see you there.
Joe

 

[VIPR GTS]

What a thread!

Go get'em Larry, although Joe has one sweet running car when it isn't sucker punched in the intersections. Hope to see Joe in Florida in December.

Kenny, Dave will be the new HP king, his car is at Macedo's now for some really serious injections of Macedo magic.

Still, good numbers Kenny and you ran right with me at Columbus so don't give any undue credit. Will you be going to Bradenton with us, Bobby is going.

 

[SUN RA KAT]

Tony, I didn't mention Dave on purpose - he is totally consumed to be HP King of the World and is no longer a mere mortal like you and me. He will be in a class by himself. I'm pretty sure with lots more practice (Columbus' V-10 Nationals was the only time this year I went to the drags) I can get into the mid 11's on my street tires at 29 psi set up. Bobby's coaching really helped me bring down my times to a consistant low 12's and I am pretty sure I can find a half second by just improving my shifting technique. This year's divorce, my stress fracture broken left foot causing me to miss much work, and 1/2 my daughter's coillege expenses have pretty much done away with the money I had saved for forged pistons, heads, cam, pushrods, big fuel system improvements, and intercooler, etc. And also money for traveling to Bradenton. Next year I will get lots more practice in before the V-10 Nationals comes so I can compete in a more befitting class. I did manage to afford a MSD Boost-A-Pump for top end fuel pressure safety as the only improvement (other than Sean Roe's adjustments to my VEC2 programming).

 

[Larry Macedo]

I'm sitting here reading this stuff and laughing my *** off because people are calling me regarding this thread. Joe and I are friendly, we just met in Kansas. I like Joe and the rest of our group does as well. I harbor no ill feelings towards Joe or anyone in his group. I like friendly competition, especially when we're kicking their azzes, which happens quite often. So for the record, if anyone has anything for me, bring it in December.
I still love you, Joe!

 

[FE 065]

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[superdavz]

Tony, I didn't mention Dave on purpose - he is totally consumed to be HP King of the World and is no longer a mere mortal like you and me. He will be in a class by himself.

Now that is interesting, I was not aware that wanting to make my car faster made me “totally consumed to be HP King of the World”. Especially since I’m not in a competition with any one.

I guess since I’m so consumed by my car I will go out and get a license plate with my horsepower on it. Wait you already did that!

 

[Simms]

Fess up Dave! Whats Larry doing to your car?

 

[fuelman]

In reviewing this lovely thread, I noticed I made a mistake. My creampuffer made 653 hp and 745 TQ on the N2O. I had put 705 Tq, not that it really matters anyways since any of us 5 lbs pulley guys have the low horsepower cars at these events. Although we do a pretty good job of competing with cars that have 100+ more horsepower and 200 lbs more torque. Maybe I should bring my turbocharged F-body out to the next event, hmmmm. Is it done yet Larry?

 

[2MANYTOYS]

When I had the Roe blower 5# pulley my car made 581 rwhp and 594 rwtq. That was with M2 tuning, headers, rockers, 70mm throttle bodies, and elite airbox. Dynoed on a very hot and humid day.