Best brake pads with the least dust?

[JUCD VPR]

I'm doing a brake upgrade to Tom's 40mm kit and getting drilled and slotted rotors. My question is..
What are the best brake pads with the least dust? Any suggestions. Street use not the track.
I've heard ECB are good any suggestions?
Thanks

 

[Qualitywires.com]

I think EBC Greens are going to be your best bet.

 

[PhoenixGTS]

Porterfield R4S. I have only been a few miles with them on the Viper (will be bedding them in tomorrow) but they are WAY better than I thought. I figured they were going to be much worse than the messy stocker but they have the same kind of hard initial bite feel and are impressive so far. They are utterly clean on my SRT-8 Jeep.

 

[pattymelt3605]

I have had the EBC green pads on for about two months, they bearly almost never squeel, but the have almost as much dust as stock. Overall I do like them.

 

[JUCD VPR]

Do the EBC greens bite as hard as the stock ones? I've hard a few guys didn't like them?

 

[V10SpeedLuvr]

The new EBC Green compound is much more dusty than the old compound, so try to find someone with a old unused set if u wanna go with EBC. But, from what ive heard, their stopping power is worse than stock

 

[Mopar Steve]

Order the porsche air deflectors ( someone here on the board sells them) and go with the breakman3 pads. I had archer set this up for me and you get great brakes and the air deflectors keep every thing blown off and you are not just a poser.

 

[JUCD VPR]

The new EBC Green compound is much more dusty than the old compound, so try to find someone with a old unused set if u wanna go with EBC. But, from what ive heard, their stopping power is worse than stock

Worse than stock? Screw that then! I need something at least AS strong as stock with less dust. hmmm i'll look into brakeman.

 

[JUCD VPR]

Order the porsche air deflectors ( someone here on the board sells them) and go with the breakman3 pads. I had archer set this up for me and you get great brakes and the air deflectors keep every thing blown off and you are not just a poser.

How much did the air deflectors cost you? that sounds like a good idea.
Does anyone else have the air deflectors here?

 

[Batboy]

I had this setup too but had a couple problems. First the air deflectors are low and rub on everything. Mine were only a couple inches from the ground. This made it very tough for normal driving. Now I only use them for track events. The brakeman 3's are much worse for dust than the EBC Greens. In fact, now I flip flop back and fourth between the Greens and the Brakeman's depending on what I'm doing. Yes, you really shouldn't do this, but it's the best solution for me.

 

[JUCD VPR]

I had this setup too but had a couple problems. First the air deflectors are low and rub on everything. Mine were only a couple inches from the ground. This made it very tough for normal driving. Now I only use them for track events. The brakeman 3's are much worse for dust than the EBC Greens. In fact, now I flip flop back and fourth between the Greens and the Brakeman's depending on what I'm doing. Yes, you really shouldn't do this, but it's the best solution for me.

Hmm rubbing on everything is not good. Especially since i will be lowering the car anyway with Eibachs.

 

[PhoenixGTS]

I feel like I am invisible here - PORTERFIELD R4S !!!

 

[Knight Viper]

JUDC, on the new Avatar looks like a totally different car. I put EBC greens all the way around, I did drop the slow speed squeak and it did cut down on the dust but not enough to were I don't have to clean my wheels every time I drive it. I also lost some stopping power so I don't think if I had the option I would do it again. I'm going to do a big brake upgrade get the car to stop well and clean it when I get home.

 

[JUCD VPR]

I feel like I am invisible here - PORTERFIELD R4S !!!

Sorry, your not invisible. What can you tell me about the Porterfiels R4S?
Is that what you run on your car?

 

[JUCD VPR]

JUDC, on the new Avatar looks like a totally different car. I put EBC greens all the way around, I did drop the slow speed squeak and it did cut down on the dust but not enough to were I don't have to clean my wheels every time I drive it. I also lost some stopping power so I don't think if I had the option I would do it again. I'm going to do a big brake upgrade get the car to stop well and clean it when I get home.

hey thanks! She looks alot better ever since i did all the exterior upgrades. I love it! Hmm the EBC's don't sound to great? I don't want to do a brake upgrade and LOSE stopping power lol. Lookslike i'm going to go with a pad that bites harder then the EBC's and well.... if theres more dust, then i guess i'll do some more cleaning lol

 

[Knight Viper]

I feel like I am invisible here - PORTERFIELD R4S !!!

Let us know how you like them once they are seated and thanks for the recommendation

 

[mad0953]

PhoenixGTS....hold on there guy. I agree with you. I use the Porterfield R4S on my Miata that I autoX. I have found nothing better for bite and/or dust. They also seem to be very gentle on my rotors.

I am going to put them on my Viper asap.

 

[Tom F&L GoR]

The deflectors would still work on a lowered car - they attach to the lower control arm and not the body. They can't get lower to the ground unless you have a flat tire.

I agree with Invisible Porterfield R4S (not the R4) are pretty decent bite. I thought they were good enough for track use, but learned after 30 minutes they weren't (because they were down to the backing plates.) Can't help with dust, since I never clean the wheels anyway... fighting a losing battle.

 

[JUCD VPR]

PhoenixGTS....hold on there guy. I agree with you. I use the Porterfield R4S on my Miata that I autoX. I have found nothing better for bite and/or dust. They also seem to be very gentle on my rotors.

I am going to put them on my Viper asap.

Thats two positive responses for the Porterfield's. Are these for good for street or more so for the track? Just asking because you said you used then on your Miata for autox?

 

[jk]

I have the "old" EBC greens on my car and yes, they are pretty good on the low dust issue. I recently put on Brakeman 3s for a track day, and since then have left them on for the street. I thought they performed great on the track (waayy better than the EBC reds I ran before), and actually the dust is pretty minimal so far. I was careful about following the pad bed-procedure and so far am thinking about not putting the Greens back on.

I saw on the Brakeman web site that they have a 61 and 62 compound which is more oriented for the street - less temp handling, but sounds like less dust without sacrificing the "bite". Maybe somebody can chime in about those pads.

 

[Tom F&L GoR]

I have used both the Porterfield R4S and R4. The R4S is their street pad and on a heavy car like a Viper, is not a track pad. Autocross (I did also) with R4S is fine. The R4 is probably like the B#3, although I'm old, so I'm trying to remember, but think the B#3 bite more.

 

[mad0953]

I use the Porterfields on and off the track. After about a month of everyday driving, back and forth to work etc. there is about the same amount of dust on my Miata wheels as when I drive the Viper for a day of two. Although I sometimes dust off my Viper's wheels after every drive if I am bored.

 

[Brian GTS]

I've tried both EBC and Porterfield R4S pads. If your looking for the LEAST dust, GO WITH THE PORTERFIELDS. EBC altered their compound a couple years ago and they are not what they used to be as far as brake dust is concerned. EBCs seem a little less dusty than stock, but not by much. Porterfields are VERY clean. You will be happy with them.

 

[SNAKE BITE]

EBC Greens for 600 miles now. No squeel ever but dust seems to be just as bad as OEM pads. Too bad because the only reason I changed was to get less dust. If I had to do it over again I'd stick with OEMs

 

[JUCD VPR]

Looks like i might be going with the porterfields, where would i buy these?

 

[PhoenixGTS]

Looks like i might be going with the porterfields, where would i buy these?

Here is their web-site:

www.porterfield-brakes.com

P.S. I was going to go out for a drive and bed them in tonight, but it was 105 degrees when I got home at 6:30 so I started drinking beer instead.

 

[Randy]

The new EBC Green compound is much more dusty than the old compound, so try to find someone with a old unused set if u wanna go with EBC. But, from what ive heard, their stopping power is worse than stock

Well, to correct this mis-statement: the old EBC Greens stopped significantly better than the stock pads. I bought three sets of them at the time, so I've not tried the newer reportedly more-dusty and worse grip pads.

 

[JUCD VPR]

Hmmm... I like the sound of the Porterfield's. I think i'm going to go with them! How much did you guys pay for yours?

 

[PhoenixGTS]

Went out to hammer the Porterfield RS4s today for the first time to bed them in and finish off the dark dust which I believe is the silver cad plating from the new rotors I put on at the same time as the pads. I learned some things:

1) As expected, the Porterfield R4S is not as effective as the stock pad. The stock pads are DANG GOOD! Just SO messy.

2) Even though not as effective over all, the Porterfield R4S does have a kind of benefit for non-ABS cars arising from that lack of bite - they are easier to modulate on the edge of locking up, so you should be able to threshhold brake more accurately. At the pedal pressure I was applying today I would have expected the stock pads to lock up, but the Porterfield R4S was not even close.

3) Even with Tom's 40mm rear caliper upgrade, the inboard area of where the rear pad contacts the rotor has still not completely scrubbed off the cad plating - even after 15 or so miles of regular slow driving and three hard brakes from 80-100 mph down to about 30 mph.

4) I did not do any slower speed-to-lock up testing today, but from the feel I got I think I might have stumbled on to the last piece of the non-ABS braking puzzle - the passenger front locking up first. At the same time as the brakes I installed Aldan adjustable coilovers on the car. One of the many reasons I did this was because the car sat lower on the driver's rear. I have the spring perch on the rear driver's 7/8" higher than the passenger side and now have the driver's side wheel arch about 1/4" higher than the passenger side while the driver's side frame rail is still just slightly lower than the passenger side. OK long story but what I think I have done is rock the car on the driver's front-to-passenger rear axis effectively putting more weight on the passenger front which gives it a bit more bite and I am guessing that when I do some lock up testing I will get both front at the same time (could STILL use more to the rear I think even with Tom's 40mm caliper mod).

 

[JUCD VPR]

Went out to hammer the Porterfield RS4s today for the first time to bed them in and finish off the dark dust which I believe is the silver cad plating from the new rotors I put on at the same time as the pads. I learned some things:

1) As expected, the Porterfield R4S is not as effective as the stock pad. The stock pads are DANG GOOD! Just SO messy.

2) Even though not as effective over all, the Porterfield R4S does have a kind of benefit for non-ABS cars arising from that lack of bite - they are easier to modulate on the edge of locking up, so you should be able to threshhold brake more accurately. At the pedal pressure I was applying today I would have expected the stock pads to lock up, but the Porterfield R4S was not even close.

3) Even with Tom's 40mm rear caliper upgrade, the inboard area of where the rear pad contacts the rotor has still not completely scrubbed off the cad plating - even after 15 or so miles of regular slow driving and three hard brakes from 80-100 mph down to about 30 mph.

4) I did not do any slower speed-to-lock up testing today, but from the feel I got I think I might have stumbled on to the last piece of the non-ABS braking puzzle - the passenger front locking up first. At the same time as the brakes I installed Aldan adjustable coilovers on the car. One of the many reasons I did this was because the car sat lower on the driver's rear. I have the spring perch on the rear driver's 7/8" higher than the passenger side and now have the driver's side wheel arch about 1/4" higher than the passenger side while the driver's side frame rail is still just slightly lower than the passenger side. OK long story but what I think I have done is rock the car on the driver's front-to-passenger rear axis effectively putting more weight on the passenger front which gives it a bit more bite and I am guessing that when I do some lock up testing I will get both front at the same time (could STILL use more to the rear I think even with Tom's 40mm caliper mod).

WOW great info!
So in your opinion with my set up would you go wiith the Porterfield R4S pads or the Brakeman pads? I like the part about how the front brakes don't lock up, i hate it when that happens!