Best Twin Turbo Setup!!!!!

[VIPER650R]

I Own A 99 650r (acr). I Want To Install Twin Turbos. I Live In Central California. I Need Input On Which Twin Turbo Is The Best Setup. I Prefer Not To Go With Hennessey. Heard Of To Many Problems With His Work. Even Though I Own One Its Been Verified The Work Has Been Done. I Saw Cpe Had A Setup!! Anyone Know About That Setup? Any Input Would Be Great Thanx.

Also Who Would Be The Person In California To The Install?
Thanx!!

 

[Paul Hawker]

Obvious choice would be to speak with Dan Cragin at D-C Performance in Santa Monica.

He has done several Twin Turbo's but believe he is now prefering single Turbo installations for a variety of reasons.

 

[GTSjbud]

I have decided to purchase a twin turbo setup from CPE (Paolo Castellano). His systems are very affordable and will produce unbelievable power!

I have done significant research on which twin turbo setup to install and purchase and found that Paolo is one of the few people who will take the time to answer there telephone and answer emails! Paolo has answered all my questions and provided valuable input with my goals!

Oh, and I am pretty sure that Paolo will install the system for wherever the car may be. In other words, you don't have to deliver your car to his shop. But you may want to confirm that with him.

Needless to say, I highly recommend him. His website is CPE Turbos.com

Here are some threads on the VCA based on his twin turbo setups.

http://forums.viperclub.org/rt-10-g...ons-cpe-twin-turbo-creampuff-dyno-graphs.html

http://forums.viperclub.org/rt-10-g...g-diy-tt-recent-installation-pics-update.html


I have also decided to upgrade the bottom end of my engine; rods, pistons, main caps, etc. as I do not want my stock forged bottom end to blow up on me. Some people may think this is not necessary but I would rather be on the safe side. I have spoken with many Viper enthusiasts/experts who suggest a stock forged Viper engine is good for around 800hp/tq.

If you need any other info, send me a PM.

Hope this helps!
Cheers
Jason

 

[jpa99acr]

I have decided to purchase a twin turbo setup from CPE (Paolo Castellano). His systems are very affordable and will produce unbelievable power!

I have done significant research on which twin turbo setup to install and purchase and found that Paolo is one of the few people who will take the time to answer there telephone and answer emails! Paolo has answered all my questions and provided valuable input with my goals!

Oh, and I am pretty sure that Paolo will install the system for wherever the car may be. In other words, you don't have to deliver your car to his shop. But you may want to confirm that with him.

Needless to say, I highly recommend him. His website is CPE Turbos.com

Here are some threads on the VCA based on his twin turbo setups.

http://forums.viperclub.org/rt-10-g...ons-cpe-twin-turbo-creampuff-dyno-graphs.html

http://forums.viperclub.org/rt-10-g...g-diy-tt-recent-installation-pics-update.html

http://forums.viperclub.org/rt-10-g...monster-power-performance-diy-tt-pricing.html


I have also decided to upgrade the bottom end of my engine; rods, pistons, main caps, etc. as I do not want my stock forged bottom end to blow up on me. Some people may think this is not necessary but I would rather be on the safe side. I have spoken with many Viper enthusiasts/experts who suggest a stock forged Viper engine is good for around 800hp/tq.

If you need any other info, send me a PM.

Hope this helps!
Cheers
Jason

I am contemplating going the TT route with CPE also. From what I understand it is quite affordable (for the entry package), and easier to adjust the boost than a supercharger- no changing out pulleys. Keep us abreast on how your install goes (great job on everything else- interesting to read your thread!)

 

[Disturbed]

....abreast..... QUOTE]



You said a brest, so why do you like only one?




I must be gready, I need a pair

 

[Shelby3]

If you are indeed serious about a Twin Turbo build make sure you look at all of the installation, not just the shiny down pipes coming out of the throttle bodies. The placement of the turbos, the routing of critical hoses, the notching of the frame etc. are all handled differently by the various tuners. If you contract for a turbo build without doing this homework you are doing yourself a great disservice.

If you are thinking about a kit, have the kit manufacturer also install and tune it. Twin turbo systems are complex and the last thing you are going to need is a ******* contest between the builder, the installer, and the tuner if something goes wrong. It would be nice to have one nose to put your finger on for any issues that occur after the build. There are far more issues with these cars than ever get reported to the viper community.

Lastly, don't be swayed by big dyno numbers. A bottle rocket goes high and hard, one time. You want a system that is well thought out, durable and supported by the tuner after the sale.

 

[revived_gearhead]

Not sure what your budget is, but it's tough to beat Underground Racing for a reliable big HP system. Drop your car off, pick it up with big smiles. If your a DIY kind of guy, the CPE sounds like an affordable fun project.

 

[Simms]

Just about every viper tuner out there will do a twin turbo setup. My advice is to narrow down a budget/how much you want to spend and call ALL the tuners and discuss what they can do for you and what your needs/goals are. Fortunately, viper owners have many choices now from DIY setups to custom builds. Location may also be a consideration for some.

 

[GTSnake]

Mine is being done by Paolo right now as we type. I went with CPE because it was affordable, close by and good support. Keep in mind just slapping on turbos is not the whole picture. As GTSjbud said there are a lot of support systems that will need to be upgraded along with the turbos.

 

[Shelby3]

Here's a picture of a well done set up. Compare it to what you are considering in making your decision. I'm surprised how many people buy these systems without ever seeing what they look like installed.

 

[GTSnake]

Here's a picture of a well done set up. Compare it to what you are considering in making your decision. I'm surprised how many people buy these systems without ever seeing what they look like installed.

In what way makes this a well done set up? Please elaborate.

 

[GTSjbud]

I am contemplating going the TT route with CPE also. From what I understand it is quite affordable (for the entry package), and easier to adjust the boost than a supercharger- no changing out pulleys. Keep us abreast on how your install goes (great job on everything else- interesting to read your thread!)

You can't beat the price! But it's not all about price...

I am an engineering professional by trade and understand the significance of a well engineered and thought out system. Paolo has spent significant time researching twin turbo systems in order to design and engineer an awesome twin turbo setup. All you have to do is speak with him to see that he knows his twin turbo stuff! And I highly recommend speaking with him.

I had initially chosen a Paxton supercharger but then changed my mind. I automatically assumed that twin turbos were financially out of my reach...and they are. But then I was referred to Paolo's twin turbo systems!!

Cheers
Jason

 

[LS6 Molester]

also keep in mind turbo systems are illegal in california. that isnt stopping me and i am having Paolo CPE do my twin turbo system. i researched all other option and paolo knows his ****, he is very helpful and will explain everything to you, gives different options or routes you can go. all in all he is very helpful and he is doing this for his passion for making vipers go fast and not just fattening up his wallet.

yes his kits are DIY but that doesnt mean you have to, you can send your car to him to get it professionally installed and tuned just like other tuners. his kits are very efficient which is the key factor with turbo system and his dyno numbers speak for themselfs.

i am not saying other kits are bad, UGR, Hef and hen make great kits as well but i looked into those options and still preferred paolo's.

 

[GTSjbud]

also keep in mind turbo systems are illegal in california. that isnt stopping me and i am having Paolo CPE do my twin turbo system. i researched all other option and paolo knows his ****, he is very helpful and will explain everything to you, gives different options or routes you can go. all in all he is very helpful and he is doing this for his passion for making vipers go fast and not just fattening up his wallet.

yes his kits are DIY but that doesnt mean you have to, you can send your car to him to get it professionally installed and tuned just like other tuners. his kits are very efficient which is the key factor with turbo system and his dyno numbers speak for themselfs.

i am not saying other kits are bad, UGR, Hef and hen make great kits as well but i looked into those options and still preferred paolo's.

Exactly!!! Paolo is the twin turbo KING!

Plus he believes in providing service such as answer emails and telephone. In other words, he is accessible!!

 

[Paolo Castellano]

If you are indeed serious about a Twin Turbo build make sure you look at all of the installation, not just the shiny down pipes coming out of the throttle bodies. The placement of the turbos, the routing of critical hoses, the notching of the frame etc. are all handled differently by the various tuners. If you contract for a turbo build without doing this homework you are doing yourself a great disservice.

If you are thinking about a kit, have the kit manufacturer also install and tune it. Twin turbo systems are complex and the last thing you are going to need is a ******* contest between the builder, the installer, and the tuner if something goes wrong. It would be nice to have one nose to put your finger on for any issues that occur after the build. There are far more issues with these cars than ever get reported to the viper community.

Lastly, don't be swayed by big dyno numbers. A bottle rocket goes high and hard, one time. You want a system that is well thought out, durable and supported by the tuner after the sale.

Shelby, I could not agree with you more about having the turbo system manufacturer/Tuner do the install.

Most people will not have the patience or tools to do such an install in a proficient and timely manner!

My system does not notch the frame whatsoever.

The entire layout of all the turbo piping and every last hose routing has been closely scrutinized and engineered.

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[Paolo Castellano]

Exactly!!! Paolo is the twin turbo KING!

Plus he believes in providing service such as answer emails and telephone. In other words, he is accessible!!

Jason, thanks for the props!

I wonder if your car just might be too fast when we are done with it!

I willl be in the passenger seat when you hit the gas for the first time with a video camera!

 

[GTSjbud]

Jason, thanks for the props!

I wonder if your car just might be too fast when we are done with it!

I willl be in the passenger seat when you hit the gas for the first time with a video camera!

I suspect that my Viper will be scarey fast with your system and I will definitely need to take some driving courses.

I was actually thinking of loading my Viper onto a trailer and bringing it South once the car is complete. That way I could have you Viper experts review my install and then properly prepare the car for its first start up. I would rather someone with expertise start my car for the first time and make sure that the engine management is set up properly so that the engine doesn't self destruct on the first start up. Then let the tuning begin!

 

[JG01]

There are several TT systems available from different vendors. How do you know as a buyer you will receive a good install before you drop the deposit? IMO you can first take a look at the most recent installs and talk with the previous customers about your concerns and goals. My experience with CPE was first class. I received way more than I expected. I received daily progress pictures and phone calls during the install. I could just go on and on but I would rather offer the following to anyone considering a TT system. Fly into Jackson and I'll pick you up in the TT, round trip only $400. Then we'll drive about 20 minutes to one of our shops. I'll get the car up on the lift so you can inspect and beat on it all you want. Just be sure you haven't had lunch due to my driving habits! My car is a daily driver with about 1,400 miles of hard driving since my install about (2 weeks ago) and the car performs perfect. Come see first hand the quality of work this vendor does. I'll even let you hold the laptop and we'll have some fun logging. Okay, so there it is no more excuses. BTW the car took home Best Of Show over the weekend, it came down to the details UNDER the car.

 

[GTSjbud]

There are several TT systems available from different vendors. How do you know as a buyer you will receive a good install before you drop the deposit? IMO you can first take a look at the most recent installs and talk with the previous customers about your concerns and goals. My experience with CPE was first class. I received way more than I expected. I received daily progress pictures and phone calls during the install. I could just go on and on but I would rather offer the following to anyone considering a TT system. Fly into Jackson and I'll pick you up in the TT, round trip only $400. Then we'll drive about 20 minutes to one of our shops. I'll get the car up on the lift so you can inspect and beat on it all you want. Just be sure you haven't had lunch due to my driving habits! My car is a daily driver with about 1,400 miles of hard driving since my install about (2 weeks ago) and the car performs perfect. Come see first hand the quality of work this vendor does. I'll even let you hold the laptop and we'll have some fun logging. Okay, so there it is no more excuses. BTW the car took home Best Of Show over the weekend, it came down to the details UNDER the car.

Very well said!

Paolo just called me to answer my final remaining questions that I had. He is a stand up guy and believes in service, service, service!!

 

[Shelby3]

Shelby, I could not agree with you more about having the turbo system manufacturer/Tuner do the install.

Most people will not have the patience or tools to do such an install in a proficient and timely manner!

My system does not notch the frame whatsoever.

The entire layout of all the turbo piping and every last hose routing has been closely scrutinized and engineered.

Paolo, Great picture thanks for posting it. Do you have any issues with exhaust fumes getting into the cockpit with those open wastegate dumps? How hard would it be to route those back into the exhaust? Glad you agree on the installation as too many times a manufacturer's product reputation gets damaged by some lug nut who muffs up the install. Can this side mount kit accommodate larger turbo's and be able to make power close to your front mount design?