Beyond The 2014 Viper?

[chorps]

A new Viper model with a Targa top, a reduction of weight, better brakes, and offers tuning so that buyers can mod the hell out of it if they so choose. Here is what is limiting sales. Most guys who buy cars that have power want more power. Unfortunately, Viper owners of the latest generations don't have that luxury without spending alot more money than the competition. And as others have stated, sell the car through Ferrari/Maserati dealerships. And if they are going to sell them through Dodge dealerships, then at least have these dealerships know what the hell they are talking about. And have them treat the customers like people who are going to buy something at this price point. All people deserve to be treated like they can afford the car but when they have people drive up in a Viper, then they should go out of their way to sell the car to them.

I understand what you're talking about, that with a few exceptions, the dealership experience quite poor.

But pushing Vipers onto Ferrari/Maserati dealerships would be the worst thing possible, because it wouldn't work for Ferrari, and it would make people believe that Chrysler and Americans had no hand in the design of the Viper. In other words, it would no longer be American. There's already enough (erroneous) information out there, that the Viper is a SLS clone, or that the Viper is being limited by Ferrari...

Putting the Viper in the Italian dealer's showrooms would be the vehicle that would be unwanted by Ferrari and Maserati dealers because it screws up their presentation as well...what would the Ferrari dealer say when they have a $250k F458 sitting beside a $130k Viper?

 

[Ian]

------->Chorps.....Axial flux motors yes.....but in a special way......Afraid we are not looking at pistons at all. Old technology.

We are looking at something that spins at 60,000 rpm, vibration free, quiet relatively, has raced at Indianapolis, and would be accepted at Le Mans as a garage 56 entry initially.

The development is underway already with some industry leading partners. Seeing if we can get there before Jaguar with the http://www.jaguarusa.com/future-vehicles/c-x75/

But we have more leading edge technology through the use of GPS and predicting terrain mapping ! and other secret sauce.

 

[chorps]

------->Chorps.....Axial flux motors yes.....but in a special way......Afraid we are not looking at pistons at all. Old technology.

We are looking at something that spins at 60,000 rpm, vibration free, quiet relatively, has raced at Indianapolis, and would be accepted at Le Mans as a garage 56 entry initially.

The development is underway already with some industry leading partners. Seeing if we can get there before Jaguar with the http://www.jaguarusa.com/future-vehicles/c-x75/

But we have more leading edge technology through the use of GPS and predicting terrain mapping ! and other secret sauce.

Awesome to hear, the question is, would the resulting vehicle be a Viper? How far do you go with design and packaging before it is no longer a Viper?

Body on steel frame gone for Carbon monocoque?
Front engine gone for mid engine?
RWD gone for AWD?
ICE gone for All Electric with supplemental gas generator?

At that point wouldn't you just call it something else?

Thought the C-X75 was cancelled...

 

[Ian]

Awesome to hear, the question is, would the resulting vehicle be a Viper? How far do you go with design and packaging before it is no longer a Viper?

Body on steel frame gone for Carbon monocoque?
Front engine gone for mid engine?
RWD gone for AWD?
ICE gone for All Electric with supplemental gas generator?


At that point wouldn't you just call it something else?

Thought the C-X75 was cancelled...

That is the question I am part postulating here on this forum ? What is a Viper ? ?

No C-X75 is still being worked on....Julian Thompson a friend from my Lotus days

To keep to a sub $200k car, a computer controlled bent tube frame design with bonded panels of "Twintex" etc. It could be front engine or mid, depends on a number of handling related issues for whatever its use would be. Road variant, Race, etc.

Needs to be 4 wd for 800+, and ACO are ok with that.

 

[ViperSmith]

Awesome to hear, the question is, would the resulting vehicle be a Viper? How far do you go with design and packaging before it is no longer a Viper?

Body on steel frame gone for Carbon monocoque?
Front engine gone for mid engine?
RWD gone for AWD?
ICE gone for All Electric with supplemental gas generator?

At that point wouldn't you just call it something else?

Thought the C-X75 was cancelled...

I think the only thing that should define the "viper" is something that pushes the envelope and "scares women and children"

I wouldn't say if has to always be a long nose V10 gas hog. If will restrict what the viper can be.

 

[eachey51]

The viper always was and always should be a front engined rwd with a v10 with the curves! I think a dct or a isr transmission is a really good idea, but the manual may not disappear! I believe that quarter mile times are not at all what the viper is about. Instead its a track day monster.

 

[eachey51]

May i add that i think it needs to have a new aluminum frame. And i don't think we will see 700+ hp if th deal with Ferrari is true. Then again i don't think we need gobbs more power but then a tunable ecu is a must! Stickier tires would b nice too but i think they are on there way. I should add that i absolutely love the car just the way it is and its by far the sexiest car for sale today and its pretty much my idea of th perfect supercar!! I would love to see the car evolve and it has even more potential! Long live our viper!

 

[Ian]

-------> eachey51....I can agree with that....

 

[REDBLACK]

The viper always was and always should be a front engined rwd with a v10 with the curves! I think a dct or a isr transmission is a really good idea, but the manual may not disappear! I believe that quarter mile times are not at all what the viper is about. Instead its a track day monster.

Ditto. Put a lumpy cam in it too. If it doesn't shake it's not a Viper. I'll take the manual.

 

[Paul Hawker]

One problem with an aluminum frame is that many people tend to take their Vipers on the track. Very expensive to repair an aluminum frame when an insurance company is not picking up the bill.

Aluminum frames have their own issues. (but they do weigh less)

 

[CWhiteRun]

May i add that i think it needs to have a new aluminum frame. And i don't think we will see 700+ hp if th deal with Ferrari is true. Then again i don't think we need gobbs more power but then a tunable ecu is a must! Stickier tires would b nice too but i think they are on there way. I should add that i absolutely love the car just the way it is and its by far the sexiest car for sale today and its pretty much my idea of th perfect supercar!! I would love to see the car evolve and it has even more potential! Long live our viper!

The Viper is being strangled by Ferrari. Can't go above 650HP for fear it will take down their $200K+ cars, and our leadership is impotent. The car will stop at the Gen 5. A last ditch effort that was half-asses and constrained by the higher-ups. The next Gen Corvette will be the nail in the coffin of the Viper.

 

[Viper Grenade]

I think there is a place for the "big 10" but also a place in the Viper for a factory Twin Turbo V8. Lots of viper owners do turbo systems on the cars to get to that 1000rwhp mark.

I do think a TT V8 with the optional turbo toys and mopar staged upgrades (Ala SRT4) would sell well. I know I would be inline for a car that I could buy a 1000hp upgrades for from mopar even if was "off road only" and voided the warranty.

I have passed on the Gen5 because it is too nice, to soft...too Maserati.

 

[v10enomous]

More horsepower is great but will that make the journalists like it more than they seem to love the 460hp C7

 

[Ev1E9]

More horsepower is great but will that make the journalists like it more than they seem to love the 460hp C7

That's a great observation. Between the C7 Corvette and the 400 hp 991 911 I don't believe 700+ hp is going to win-over the media.

 

[Ian]

One problem with an aluminum frame is that many people tend to take their Vipers on the track. Very expensive to repair an aluminum frame when an insurance company is not picking up the bill.

Aluminum frames have their own issues. (but they do weigh less)

If you have managed to do that amount of damage to "get into" a ladder frame chassis it becomes irrelevant if it is steel or aluminium. The surround components will be destroyed. Now a aluminium monocoque and bonded chassis as designed for Aston Martin by my good friend Richard Rackham at Lotus, then yes it is expensive if not nigh impossible, but Aston owners don't mind that.

Aluminium frames only weigh less if the load paths through the chassis are designed for aluminium and pure substitution for steel usually ends up equal or heavier.

 

[SilveRT8]

I have passed on the Gen5 because it is too nice, to soft...too Maserati.

Spend some seat time in a Gen5 in the 4000 to 6000 rpm zone and you'll replace the 'to soft' by 'just right' !

 

[VRYALT3R3D]

More horsepower is great but will that make the journalists like it more than they seem to love the 460hp C7

Who cares what a journalist thinks? I never bought a car based purely on a review of the car.

I buy cars based on actually sitting in them and driving one..that is the only way you know if the car is for you.

 

[v10enomous]

Who cares what a journalist thinks?

I hear what you are saying but the pen is mightier than the sledge hammer. The GenV is great but the damn media could kill it.

 

[VRYALT3R3D]

I hear what you are saying but the pen is mightier than the sledge hammer. The GenV is great but the damn media could kill it.

Who do you think the target audience for a Motor Trend video is?

A teenager.

I still stand by my comment

 

[ferraritoviper]

Ian Sharp.

Bump - Hi guys I am working on a response to this thread for you, and to answer the two-word, and emoticon responses - but I am editing down the words to single sylabylls for those guys.

Are you now? I think you are an imposter. BTW, ya gotta work on your "sylabylls".

 

[plumcrazy]

open the dang computer for tuning

 

[Ian]

I hear what you are saying but the pen is mightier than the sledge hammer. The GenV is great but the damn media could kill it.

For the price the Gen V is a piece of junk, with the interior covered in pig skin to give the illusion of quality, to keep the simpletons happy.

 

[ViperSmith]

For the price the Gen V is a piece of junk, with the interior covered in pig skin to give the illusion of quality, to keep the simpletons happy.

Not a real shock SRT wanted nothing to do with you.

 

[VRYALT3R3D]

For the price the Gen V is a piece of junk, with the interior covered in pig skin to give the illusion of quality, to keep the simpletons happy.

At least Kratedisease was creative with his trolling. (And he actually owns a Viper, too!)

You....not so much.

 

[Ian]

Not a real shock SRT wanted nothing to do with you.

Whoops the natives are getting restless.

So according to you SRT apologists....the new GEN VI (if the brand can ever recover) is going to be pretty much like the GEN V because it is such an awe inspiring vehicle ?

Am I getting that right ?

 

[PeerBlock]

Whoops the natives are getting restless.

So according to you SRT apologists....the new GEN VI (if the brand can ever recover) is going to be pretty much like the GEN V because it is such an awe inspiring vehicle ?

Am I getting that right ?

The Viper should always be pretty much what it is now - awesome.

It's funny that you are dumb enough to think electric cars are a good idea while at the same time claiming to be competent enough to approach a real car manufacturer and make some sort of presentation on the direction than they should take their brand.

Right. If your idea is so great you should be pitching it to VCs...but they all know you are a ***** just like we do.

If you want to drive around in your gaybrid and pretend that your faith-based "science" has any legitimacy outside of a political campaign be my guest, but there's no need to come here and be all jealous of everyone who has a better car that you.

 

[Ian]

Not a real shock SRT wanted nothing to do with you.

Actually....you are very correct.

Re: ALMS

After a total of 3 presentations trying to work with the guys, to get a glimmer of enthusiasm or spark in their eyes. I was asked by RVG through one of the SRT guys who is basically a good guy, too not call or send email anymore to RVG. This was after RVG said to me....and I quote..."tell me everything you know because I am a sponge". I only have to suspect that one of his guys, the one who all three times, sucked all the air out of the room at those meetings, got too him. The team I had suggested to do this, had years, and years, of experience at Le Mans and ALMS.

e.g. example....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Elleray


This was still early in the program and I think that they had already made their mind up who was going to do the ALMS program and that the production car was going to be the same.

In one of my presentations I said don't do it like Gentellozzi running the Jaguar program, but they did it like the Gentellozi program anyway.

So now the program is with Bill Riley who has a myriad other programs running as well, e.g Ford Eco boost DP's. Also I remember in discussion with someone at the time - they said don't underestimate the power of doing it down south to give the SRT guys an excuse to go travel to a warmer climate whenever they can.....not sure that is a good way to determine a program...but that was a separate observation from someone outside. I mean that is the way that corporate minds work, believe me I have seen it....everyone carving out there special interests....just like politicians.

So they bought or leased a lot of expensive trucks etc, and yes this is where ALL the marketing budget has gone. We had a much more measured approach starting out with a one car entry in the championship, with another car later as a more pure racer as a technology research vehicle not running for class honors, but getting the most press probably.

So this about taking the gloves off if anyone is thinking otherwise.....telling it like it is. I am as disappointed as anyone else over the GEN V and how the racing program has gone, given that everyone else next year will be upping their game ! Porsche entering pretty much a full works team....etc.

 

[Ian]

The Viper should always be pretty much what it is now - awesome.

It's funny that you are dumb enough to think electric cars are a good idea while at the same time claiming to be competent enough to approach a real car manufacturer and make some sort of presentation on the direction than they should take their brand.

Right. If your idea is so great you should be pitching it to VCs...but they all know you are a ***** just like we do.

If you want to drive around in your gaybrid and pretend that your faith-based "science" has any legitimacy outside of a political campaign be my guest, but there's no need to come here and be all jealous of everyone who has a better car that you.

Lol....and another name caller jumps in, with nothing intelligible to say just a bunch of opinions.....funny you should mention VC's...

Even muddled and confused between Electric vehicles and Hybrids....bet your boyfriend has to guide it in for you...

 

[PeerBlock]

Lol....and another name caller jumps in, with nothing intelligible to say just a bunch of opinions.....funny you should mention VC's...

Even muddled and confused between Electric vehicles and Hybrids....bet your boyfriend has to guide it in for you...

Nobody is calling you names - just pointing out the facts...arguably redundant since you prove yourself to be intellectually disenfranchised each time you post.

There's no need to differentiate between EVs and hybrids as both are examples of impractical, complex "solutions" to non-existent problems. The all-electric car idea was attempted and scrapped quite a while (late 1800s to early 1900s) ago much for the same reasons it fails today: electric power is great for toys; full-size vehicles - not so much.

Hybrids were some idiotic idea to improve fuel economy or reduce fuel usage and/or get around the limitations of all-electric cars by making electric cars with gasoline engines. Guess what, still a bad idea since there are better less expensive cars that are either gas or diesel powered and get better fuel economy than hybrids while also being more practical.

Your ******* idea to make an electric Viper is riddled with fail. Maybe your mom told you it was a good idea but she's lying. I highly doubt SRT gave you the time of day. If you were anyone even remotely important you wouldn't need to troll forums for "input".

 

[Nine Ball]

Whoops the natives are getting restless.

So according to you SRT apologists....the new GEN VI (if the brand can ever recover) is going to be pretty much like the GEN V because it is such an awe inspiring vehicle ?

Am I getting that right ?

With each passing day, you are sounding more like a bitter ex-girlfriend that SRT dumped. I've yet to see you bring anything constructive to this site, since you always deliver your statements in a confrontational and agitated manner. Quit assuming you are the most intelligent person in the room, and maybe more people will read your offerings. This is an automotive club forum, based on the Viper. Your hyper-vocabulary use isn't impressing anyone, since most of us can do the same thing, when settings call for such. So relax a bit, and quit attempting to take on the entire site.