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[Vic]

My GTS is about 4 years old, and none of my body panels have shifted, at least not yet, even after about 10 road race track events. Yes, its crudely built, but its wild and outrageous, sinister, yet beautiful, all at the same time.

To me, the SRT has no soul, yes, its got more power, better handling, and "pierce-form-set" methods of body attachment kicks *** all over shims and glue, no doubt. But its still anti-septic, neutered, morphed into a S2000 clone. Its this very level of sophistication where the SRT departs from the original spirit of Viper, a crude, rude car with a nasty "bite", it's lost its raw appeal, and worst of all, the SRT reminds me that Lutz left, the company got sold to a foreign interest, and that all makes me much less of a fan of the Gen3. I feel funny waving the flag over a car built by a foreign marque. Thats one of the things that first attracted me to the Viper, was the fact that it was designed and built in the good ole USA, and it made me proud to be an American. What kind of pride can you have in your own country's abilities when the final engineering and design decisions are made by a board of directors with German surnames? Nothing against Germans, they are fine people, make great quality things, but I live here in the States, and I like to root for the home team, and see my country do great things. The fact that Dodge is not owned by Americans makes me feel that Dodge is no longer an American brand, regardless of where its built. The ownership of the company is the authority, and I resent that an old American brand is not owned by Americans any more. I can't feel patriotic about Dodge products, and I can't feel the same way about the Viper ever again, not since DC took over, its not the same anymore. I'm not even interested in a Gen4 if it ever comes. The world has moved on without me. I guess I'll be stuck in the past from here on out. When you see me, I'll have my feet up on the porch, sipping a tall lemonade, and revel in old stories of Oreca and Olivier Berretta kicking asp at Le Mans, in a decidedly American car. Try not to disturb my illusions, and just say, "thats right, Vic, there never was a time like that again, those were the days, and there never will be a time like that again", then leave me be, to close my eyes in sweet dreams of Camelot.

 

[LW VIPER]

Silly dispute. My 96 black with silver stripes RT/10 turned far more heads than my 03, even with the black stripes. The older model will have higher value over time, because it's the original.

But as a driver, the SRT is a far, far better car than my 96 RT/10. Nice top, power windows, etc. Far better brakes, more power, better seats. Just about everything.

 

[DEVILDOG]

My GTS is about 4 years old, and none of my body panels have shifted, at least not yet, even after about 10 road race track events. Yes, its crudley built, but its wild and outrageous, sinister, yet beautiful, all at the same time.

To me, the SRT has no soul, yes, its got more power, better handling, and "pierce-form-set" methods of body attachment kicks *** all over shims and glue, no doubt. But its still anti-septic, neutered, morphed into a S2000 clone. Its this very level of sophistication where the SRT departs from the original spirit of Viper, a crude, rude car with a nasty "bite", it's lost its raw appeal, and worst of all, the SRT reminds me that Lutz left, the company got sold to a foreign interest, and that all makes me much less of a fan of the Gen3. I feel funny waving the flag over a car built by a foreign marque. Thats one of the things that first attracted me to the Viper, was the fact that it was designed and built in the good ole USA, and it made me proud to be an American. What kind of pride can you have in your own country's abilities when the final engineering and design decisions are made by a board of directors with German surnames? Nothing against Germans, they are fine people, make great quality things, but I live here in the States, and I like to root for the home team, and see my country do great things. The fact that Dodge is not owned by Americans makes me feel that Dodge is no longer an American brand, regardless of where its built. The onwership of the company is the authority, and I resent that an old American brand is not owned by Americans any more. I can't feel patriotic about Dodge products, and I can't feel the same way about the Viper ever again, not since DC took over, its not the same anymore. I'm not even interested in a Gen4 if it ever comes. The world has moved on without me. I guess I'll be stuck in the past from here on out. When you see me, I'll have my feet up on the porch, sipping a tall lemonade, and revel in old stories of Oreca and Olivier Berretta kicking asp at Le Mans, in a decidedly American car. Try not to disturb my illusions, and just say, "thats right, Vic, there never was a time like that again, those were the days, and there never will be a time like that again", then leave me be, to close my eyes in sweet dreams of Camelot.

You're the man! DITTO!

 

[DSR207]

It's amazing how GEN II love to hang around here, I guess this is the closest they can get to SRTS

 

[DSR207]

Quote:

"Silly dispute. My 96 black with silver stripes RT/10 turned far more heads than my 03, even with the black stripes. The older model will have higher value over time, because it's the original.
But as a driver, the SRT is a far, far better car than my 96 RT/10. Nice top, power windows, etc. Far better brakes, more power, better seats. Just about everything."

.....................................................

I totally agree. My 95 RT/10 turned more heads, but the reason is simple, at that time there were few Vipers around making sighting one an event. Now a days you have thousands of vipers (compared to hundred in the early years). At a recent car show, I had my SRT parked next to a 97 and 2002 Vipers, peoples reaction was the same to all three cars....they were all VIPERS, NO SRT, NO RT AND NO GTS....JUST VIPERS

 

[allanlambo]

Give me a white mamba anytime.

 

[ledfoot]

*NEWSFLASH*....While driving the SRT, I get hounded when getting gas...I have to turn the stereo up at intersections to avoid the "fans" . When I drove the car to Cesars Tahoe,(to watch the Kentucky Derby) They parked the car in front of the casino , like a showpiece....I like the Gen 1/2s also, but if you think this car does not still freak people out..your wrong.....

 

[monnieh]

Who designed the RT/10 and the GTS?

Wasn't the SRT-10 designed by a Asian guy? Seriously, I don't remember.

I see more SRT-10's on the road than any GenII or GenI car, don't know what that means if anything.

 

[SRT10]

My GTS is about 4 years old, and none of my body panels have shifted, at least not yet, even after about 10 road race track events. Yes, its crudely built, but its wild and outrageous, sinister, yet beautiful, all at the same time.

To me, the SRT has no soul, yes, its got more power, better handling, and "pierce-form-set" methods of body attachment kicks *** all over shims and glue, no doubt. But its still anti-septic, neutered, morphed into a S2000 clone. Its this very level of sophistication where the SRT departs from the original spirit of Viper, a crude, rude car with a nasty "bite", it's lost its raw appeal, and worst of all, the SRT reminds me that Lutz left, the company got sold to a foreign interest, and that all makes me much less of a fan of the Gen3. I feel funny waving the flag over a car built by a foreign marque. Thats one of the things that first attracted me to the Viper, was the fact that it was designed and built in the good ole USA, and it made me proud to be an American. What kind of pride can you have in your own country's abilities when the final engineering and design decisions are made by a board of directors with German surnames? Nothing against Germans, they are fine people, make great quality things, but I live here in the States, and I like to root for the home team, and see my country do great things. The fact that Dodge is not owned by Americans makes me feel that Dodge is no longer an American brand, regardless of where its built. The ownership of the company is the authority, and I resent that an old American brand is not owned by Americans any more. I can't feel patriotic about Dodge products, and I can't feel the same way about the Viper ever again, not since DC took over, its not the same anymore. I'm not even interested in a Gen4 if it ever comes. The world has moved on without me. I guess I'll be stuck in the past from here on out. When you see me, I'll have my feet up on the porch, sipping a tall lemonade, and revel in old stories of Oreca and Olivier Berretta kicking asp at Le Mans, in a decidedly American car. Try not to disturb my illusions, and just say, "thats right, Vic, there never was a time like that again, those were the days, and there never will be a time like that again", then leave me be, to close my eyes in sweet dreams of Camelot..now I need another bottle of Night Train!!

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[FLYNLO]

Who designed the RT/10 and the GTS?

Wasn't the SRT-10 designed by a Asian guy? Seriously, I don't remember.

I see more SRT-10's on the road than any Gen II or Gen I car, don't know what that means if anything.

That means you haven't been out very much. With all due respect, if you think that there have been more Gen III's produced so far in comparison to Gen I and II, then you have a serious problem. On another note, the reason you probably see more Gen III's being driven is because people actually WANT to drive them. The car is better suited for driving, versus the Gen II which is uncomfortable in comparison for similar duties.

 

[Vic]

LOL!!! :-D

My GTS is about 4 years old, and none of my body panels have shifted, at least not yet, even after about 10 road race track events. Yes, its crudely built, but its wild and outrageous, sinister, yet beautiful, all at the same time.

To me, the SRT has no soul, yes, its got more power, better handling, and "pierce-form-set" methods of body attachment kicks *** all over shims and glue, no doubt. But its still anti-septic, neutered, morphed into a S2000 clone. Its this very level of sophistication where the SRT departs from the original spirit of Viper, a crude, rude car with a nasty "bite", it's lost its raw appeal, and worst of all, the SRT reminds me that Lutz left, the company got sold to a foreign interest, and that all makes me much less of a fan of the Gen3. I feel funny waving the flag over a car built by a foreign marque. Thats one of the things that first attracted me to the Viper, was the fact that it was designed and built in the good ole USA, and it made me proud to be an American. What kind of pride can you have in your own country's abilities when the final engineering and design decisions are made by a board of directors with German surnames? Nothing against Germans, they are fine people, make great quality things, but I live here in the States, and I like to root for the home team, and see my country do great things. The fact that Dodge is not owned by Americans makes me feel that Dodge is no longer an American brand, regardless of where its built. The ownership of the company is the authority, and I resent that an old American brand is not owned by Americans any more. I can't feel patriotic about Dodge products, and I can't feel the same way about the Viper ever again, not since DC took over, its not the same anymore. I'm not even interested in a Gen4 if it ever comes. The world has moved on without me. I guess I'll be stuck in the past from here on out. When you see me, I'll have my feet up on the porch, sipping a tall lemonade, and revel in old stories of Oreca and Olivier Berretta kicking asp at Le Mans, in a decidedly American car. Try not to disturb my illusions, and just say, "thats right, Vic, there never was a time like that again, those were the days, and there never will be a time like that again", then leave me be, to close my eyes in sweet dreams of Camelot..now I need another bottle of Night Train!!

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[SRTRICKY]

All I have to say is I wish they would make less SRT-10 Vipers so they can actaully hold their damn value!

 

[monnieh]

Who designed the RT/10 and the GTS?

Wasn't the SRT-10 designed by a Asian guy? Seriously, I don't remember.

I see more SRT-10's on the road than any Gen II or Gen I car, don't know what that means if anything.

That means you haven't been out very much. With all due respect, if you think that there have been more Gen III's produced so far in comparison to Gen I and II, then you have a serious problem. On another note, the reason you probably see more Gen III's being driven is because people actually WANT to drive them. The car is better suited for driving, versus the Gen II which is uncomfortable in comparison for similar duties.

Actually to speculate what it means is about as telling as a Rorschach Ink blot Test. You're response is disappointing.

If you would like to learn more about production numbers for GenI/II Vipers you can learn here: http://ivr.viperclub.org/build.php I believe there have been under 10k GenIII's built so far.

The reason I see more GenIII's than any other is most likely due to socioeconomic reasons more than anything else.

 

[jk]

It is funny that Osamu Shikado's name seems to pop up when people want to bash the SRT/10. In fact, the first Gen 3 coupe prototype design, called the GTS/R was by him (2000 NAIS show) - the one that so many people WISH that DC had taken to production and looks very similar to the Comp Coupe.

www.drive.com.au/editorial/article.aspx?id=1087&vf=1

He has worked at Chrysler Group Design Studios since 1994. He is married, has two children and now holds the job of Design Manager in Chrysler Group's Advance Product Design Studio in Auburn Hills, Mich. But somehow that means it was still designed in Japan...

 

[Inferno]

Who designed the RT/10 and the GTS?

Wasn't the SRT-10 designed by a Asian guy? Seriously, I don't remember.

I see more SRT-10's on the road than any Gen II or Gen I car, don't know what that means if anything.

That means you haven't been out very much. With all due respect, if you think that there have been more Gen III's produced so far in comparison to Gen I and II, then you have a serious problem. On another note, the reason you probably see more Gen III's being driven is because people actually WANT to drive them. The car is better suited for driving, versus the Gen II which is uncomfortable in comparison for similar duties.

Actually to speculate what it means is about as telling as a Rorschach Ink blot Test. You're response is disappointing.

If you would like to learn more about production numbers for GenI/II Vipers you can learn here: http://ivr.viperclub.org/build.php I believe there have been under 10k GenIII's built so far.

The reason I see more GenIII's than any other is most likely due to socioeconomic reasons more than anything else.

Have there been as many srt10's built as gts's?

 

[monnieh]

It is funny that Osamu Shikado's name seems to pop up when people want to bash the SRT/10. In fact, the first Gen 3 coupe prototype design, called the GTS/R was by him (2000 NAIS show) - the one that so many people WISH that DC had taken to production and looks very similar to the Comp Coupe.

www.drive.com.au/editorial/article.aspx?id=1087&vf=1

He has worked at Chrysler Group Design Studios since 1994. He is married, has two children and now holds the job of Design Manager in Chrysler Group's Advance Product Design Studio in Auburn Hills, Mich. But somehow that means it was still designed in Japan...

You know I think this is one of the biggest reasons so many Viper owners are not happy with the body of the SRT-10. We were shown this unbelievable GTS/R as a teaser and then given a much more subdued production version.


Americans like loud in you're face styling. Especially us Viper owners. Look how poorly the GTO is selling even though it outperforms its competitors.

This is not going to keep me from getting a SRT-10 however, the styling of the SRT is better than anything else out there that is new save the Ford GT.

 

[Nader]

I saw a Ford GT in person. I wasnt that impressed. I think the Viper makes a bigger statement - it looks like nothing else on the street.

 

[Fast Freddy]

30 years from now when you go to barret jackson the vipers that will bring the most money will be the 100 GTSR's that were made in 1998. next will be the final edition acr's built in 2002. in my opinion these vipers will retain the highest value of all the gen-1 and gen-2 vipers.

 

[BigCarrot]

30 years from now when you go to barret jackson the vipers that will bring the most money will be the 100 GTSR's that were made in 1998. next will be the final edition acr's built in 2002. in my opinion these vipers will retain the highest value of all the gen-1 and gen-2 vipers.

And.... you told us that for what reason?

 

[Paul S Lacey]

And the 200 White Mamba's, they have got to be rare.