Considering selling the Viper for a Ford GT. Opinions

[Twister]

some of this is pure horse sh*t..

I love the FGT but in stock form speed demon it is not..

The stock 1/4 mile record for a gen3 is 11.5 and the stock 1/4 mile record for the FGT is 11.5...Highest stock trap for a gen3 is 124 mph and highest stock trap for a FGT is 126 mph....Go the the FGT forum and read a lil. Most FGT owners run low 12's stock at 121-124 mph (sound familiar)

In comparison stock highest mph for a C6Z06 is 128 and for a gen4 is 131 mph (trying to paint a picture of how a stock FGT really isnt that fast)

It IS beautiful and it IS rare and it IS an amazeing track car...But a FGT can BARELY edge out a C6Z06 in a 0-150 mph race and a non ACR gen4 will dust them both to 150 mph NO PROBLEM...

Now an ACR gen4 with all the down force I could see haveing a close 0-150 mph battle with the FGT..But thats not even a fair comparison as that added down force allows the ACR to do the ring in low 7.20's while a stock FGT struggles in the 7.40's


Sorry for the rant...But I cant stand when the FGT is touted as a fast car with its whopping 11.5 at 126 mpg best stock 1/4 mile ever (jamie Furman BTW) when gen4's have went 10's at 130 mph in stock form

 

[Roysviper]

Twister.....I agree with you 100%. That has ALWAYS been my opinion....

 

[KenricGTS]

some of this is pure horse sh*t..

I love the FGT but in stock form speed demon it is not..

The stock 1/4 mile record for a gen3 is 11.5 and the stock 1/4 mile record for the FGT is 11.5...Highest stock trap for a gen3 is 124 mph and highest stock trap for a FGT is 126 mph....Go the the FGT forum and read a lil. Most FGT owners run low 12's stock at 121-124 mph (sound familiar)

In comparison stock highest mph for a C6Z06 is 128 and for a gen4 is 131 mph (trying to paint a picture of how a stock FGT really isnt that fast)

It IS beautiful and it IS rare and it IS an amazeing track car...But a FGT can BARELY edge out a C6Z06 in a 0-150 mph race and a non ACR gen4 will dust them both to 150 mph NO PROBLEM...

Now an ACR gen4 with all the down force I could see haveing a close 0-150 mph battle with the FGT..But thats not even a fair comparison as that added down force allows the ACR to do the ring in low 7.20's while a stock FGT struggles in the 7.40's


Sorry for the rant...But I cant stand when the FGT is touted as a fast car with its whopping 11.5 at 126 mpg best stock 1/4 mile ever (jamie Furman BTW) when gen4's have went 10's at 130 mph in stock form

Don"t know about that. I remember a bone stock GT was run against an Enzo and a Carrera GT. It ran an 11.0 or 11.1 in the 130s. Also when I dynoed my stock GT she put down 551rwhp. Don't kid yourself GTs are faster than you think.

 

[STUGOTS]

the GT is an amazing car but IMO (maybe im biast) i would take a gen 1 viper over a GT any day, but again im a viper guy through and through.

as far as salvage dont just walk away RUN

 

[tucker]

Don"t know about that. I remember a bone stock GT was run against an Enzo and a Carrera GT. It ran an 11.0 or 11.1 in the 130s. Also when I dynoed my stock GT she put down 551rwhp. Don't kid yourself GTs are faster than you think.

Magazine racing, Furman, and amazeing all in the same thread. Thanks to Kenric for providing some real world information. I absolutely love the Viper, but there is more to the GT than a trap speed.

 

[viperDoug]

I remember a couple of years ago a guy in your area that was buying a salvaged GT from the infamous Michael Nouri at XVipers. The whole deal was sour as he had trouble getting in touch with Michael to get him to release the car after it was paid for. Is this the same car?

 

[Rizzo]

I remember a couple of years ago a guy in your area that was buying a salvaged GT from the infamous Michael Nouri at XVipers. The whole deal was sour as he had trouble getting in touch with Michael to get him to release the car after it was paid for. Is this the same car?

I sure hope not.

Update - The owner is away now for a while. We tried to set up a meeting to come and see the car but I got storm stayed at home last weekend and wasnt able to go. Will try to go and have a look in a week or 2. Not going to do anything until I see it. Lots of great comments on here. Thanks guys. I appeciate it.

 

[viperDoug]

The guy was/is a member on here. I can't remember who it was though. The car was tungsten.

 

[tucker]

I sure hope not.

Update - The owner is away now for a while. We tried to set up a meeting to come and see the car but I got storm stayed at home last weekend and wasnt able to go. Will try to go and have a look in a week or 2. Not going to do anything until I see it. Lots of great comments on here. Thanks guys. I appeciate it.

Being in Canada, and Ray looking for another two GT's to race, if that car is straight as an arrow and hasn't had frame damage, and you decide to pass on it, PM me so I can get Ray in contact with them.

 

[Twister]

Don"t know about that. I remember a bone stock GT was run against an Enzo and a Carrera GT. It ran an 11.0 or 11.1 in the 130s. Also when I dynoed my stock GT she put down 551rwhp. Don't kid yourself GTs are faster than you think.

If were talking magazines then you also remember when the stock gen3 went a lower 11.7 than the 11.7 the FGT ran in the head to head competition both around 123-124 mph then??????

That 11.1 at 130 you refer too was never even remotely duplicted and more than a few belieave that a few FGT' that made it to mag comparisons were ringers (ala GTR) with smaller pullies..

I love the FGT..PERIOD..But if you as an owner are gonna sit here and tell me that you never went to the FGT forums and saw how they really trapp about 122 mph on average in stock form and barely even hit high 120's or 130 mph after the pulley change and tune then I guess we will just have to disagree with eachother

gen3 vs FGT

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIhDNRz45Gw[/media]


pro driver running stock FORDGT

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEYpGHITFE4[/media]

 

[tucker]

Twister, the man owns both and runs both. Yours doesn't run. I would read rather than call bullshet like you did in your opening post.

 

[Darbgnik]

Don"t know about that. I remember a bone stock GT was run against an Enzo and a Carrera GT. It ran an 11.0 or 11.1 in the 130s. Also when I dynoed my stock GT she put down 551rwhp. Don't kid yourself GTs are faster than you think.

I've heard this is the norm, with the FGT's HP grossly underrated.

 

[ACRBruce]

Don"t know about that. I remember a bone stock GT was run against an Enzo and a Carrera GT. It ran an 11.0 or 11.1 in the 130s. Also when I dynoed my stock GT she put down 551rwhp. Don't kid yourself GTs are faster than you think.

+1. I've spent about $10K of aftermarket mods on the ACR and about $20K of mods on the FGT and while the ACR is fast, the FGT is scary fast. It is not even close in the straight line speed department. Just $.02 from someone who owns both, track both, has spun both, and I'll rest my case.

 

[Twister]

Twister, the man owns both and runs both. Yours doesn't run. I would read rather than call bullshet like you did in your opening post.

twister car run...twister car run good

I dont care who owns what. I owned a nsx for a few years and I hardly know jack about them

I get to the facts and thats it. The facts are the stock FGT is a mid 11's quartermile car at best. Have you NOT seen the crystal clear daytime footage of the C6Z06 with just an air intake and tune DESTROYING a stock FGT????

Yes with simple mods it is a monster..No doubt. but in stock form it has its hands full with a gen3...Let alone z06 or gen4 or ZR1...

Many people who have never researched the FGT belieave it is a 130 mph car in stock form..I was one of those people who thought it was so fast..So I was makeing a exotic american cars 1/4 mile list and went to the FGT forum to collect data. The truth shocked me. They were no were near 130 mph cars and actually 124 mph trapp stock was VERY impressive for them...

Again I love the car...But it was elevated to a 11.0 at 130 mph status by BS...A ringer running 11.0 at 130 and the production models running 11.9 at 123 is just as shameful as what Nissan did with the ringer GTR they used at the ring and no one else was ever able to get within 15 seconds of..

hey its a ford and I dont expect much from them anyway...

 

[tucker]

I would rather collect real world data, not that supplied from a magazine. For as many videos as you see where a Vette beats one, you will see a GT beat one in another. I understand your location and the need to observe from afar, but those of us with both will normally attest to the GT being the stronger car, and it undoubtedly puts the power down better.

 

[KenricGTS]

If were talking magazines then you also remember when the stock gen3 went a lower 11.7 than the 11.7 the FGT ran in the head to head competition both around 123-124 mph then??????

That 11.1 at 130 you refer too was never even remotely duplicted and more than a few belieave that a few FGT' that made it to mag comparisons were ringers (ala GTR) with smaller pullies..

I love the FGT..PERIOD..But if you as an owner are gonna sit here and tell me that you never went to the FGT forums and saw how they really trapp about 122 mph on average in stock form and barely even hit high 120's or 130 mph after the pulley change and tune then I guess we will just have to disagree with eachother

gen3 vs FGT

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIhDNRz45Gw[/media]


pro driver running stock FORDGT

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEYpGHITFE4[/media]

Then we disagree.

 

[Twister]

Tucker...I didnt get my data from no magazine. It was from the Ford GT forum...

I love your car and wish to own one someday. Even at my poor economic status a salvage that was properly rebuilt would be a stretch and I would still wish to own it someday. Thats how much I love your FGT


with that said the 11.5 at 126 mph was the stock world record last time I checked..Set By Jamie Furman. The car was never intended for 1/4 mile use or raw staraightline speed. Its a road raceing car plain and simple.I get that..The suspension ect wasnt desighned for the 1/4 mile..

But numbers are numbers despite how they are achieved..And a stock FGT is no rocket in todays market

 

[Twister]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8kEWu-1SDw[/media]

That guys claiming the world record for a stock GT40 at 11.4 at nearly 125 mph...While the FGT is 11.5 at 126 mph..

Dont know the differance between GT40 and FGT other than the years and the FGT was supposed to be called the GT40 ect but the name was taken so was called the FGT.

Car looks sick..

 

[Rizzo]

Well there's not much chance of the car ever seeing a drag strip if I buy it so I'm not too concerned with 1/4 mile times but it's nice to know what it will do. I just really love the looks and if I can get it for the right price and everything checks out I will start a new post with all the details. If it doesnt happen then I can console myself with the fact that I have one of the greatest cars ever, sitting in my garage waiting until this 3 feet of snow melts away and I can drive it again.

 

[Coloviper]

If it is in great shape, go for it. I doubt you will lose any money in the long run as long as you are getting it for fair salvage price. Don't let anyone kid you, they are a very nice car.

For all those on this thread, ALL THESE CARS ARE ALL FAST. 1/2 of you don't have the balls to drive any of these on the limit anyway, so the point is moot. I know I can't bring myself to do it either. 11.3 versus 11.6 or whatever, is pretty much a driver's race.

 

[Twister]

agreed...I my self had a hard time actually road raceing my c5 vette with just 380 rwhp when we had a road course here in hawaii..Cant even imgaine trying to manage 450-550 rwhp "stock' cars ..LOL

FGT is the dream plaiin and simple..Id take one over a gallardo without skipping a beat...Now challange 360 stardale is a differant story

 

[Darbgnik]

No matter if you can swing the entry price on the 360, it takes a lot of cash to keep the thing running, if you actually drive it.

 

[plumcrazy]

ive seen a FGT beat up 2 gen3's on the street very easily (60-160)

twister, you have 2 - FGT/gen4 owners in this thread telling you the FGT is faster. you have to believe it no ?

 

[viperdrummer]

ive seen a FGT beat up 2 gen3's on the street very easily (60-160)

twister, you have 2 - FGT/gen4 owners in this thread telling you the FGT is faster. you have to believe it no ?

Plum has it right. After 7 Vipers and 2 GTs and having them at tracks, I can tell you for a fact. Certainly in no way a putdown of my beloved Viper--one of the truly greatest and most important cars ever built--maybe the most important of the last 25 years-IMHO.

 

[pgbeek]

Some Vehicles are given a salvage title just because their stolen.
In some cases their may be no damage. If you don't know find out
why it has the Salvage title. Check out Insurance for it.
Many company's won't insure a vehicle with a Salvage title.

 

[pgbeek]

Some Vehicles are given a salvage title just because their stolen.
In some cases their may be no damage. If you don't know find out
why it has the Salvage title. Check out Insurance for it.
Many company's won't insure a vehicle with a Salvage title.

 

[Stealth]

FGT is a great-looking, iconic car. No question.

I would NEVER buy a salvage title car unless it was easily fixable about 60% < FMV.

With a FGT, it will easily overheat at the track (my buddy is a semi-pro racer and owns 2 FGTs). He says his Porsche GT3 is much more bullet-proof for the track. He races an all-wheel drive import car most of the time.

FGT also needs extra room in the garage and elsewhere to get in and out of the doors and has just about -0- storage space for overnight bags, etc. to the extent that matters.

Anytime you start changing the power of a car--pulley and tune on a FGT--you will affect the longevity and durability of the drivetrain. This will definitely stress the motor more than headers, exhaust on a Gen IV Viper.

My C6Z with intake, headers and tune was just a bit slower than a Gen IV and was just a bit faster than the FGT. My Gen IV Viper with just exhaust appeared to pull a FGT relatively well on the front straight of CA Speedway. I drove my buddy's FGT and thought it was great--very solid, good shift action, and strong--very quiet--power.

As was pointed out earlier, there is much more to these cars than raw performance. Both the Viper and the FGT are quality-feeling pieces. The C6Z not so much (seats, interior, steering). So no definitive choices--just good choices!

There is a reason they make more than one kind of car--each person can decide what is best for them!

 

[moldowan]

i traded my gen3 for a 2011 audi R8 V10 and got a chance to run a FGT last week.

I beat him in a race from a roll @30mph to aroung 110mph. The look on his face was priceless-LOL

 

[viperdrummer]

Just a couple of follow ups. The pulley/tune on a GT is quite common and virtually harmless on the drivetrain. I know guys with 80,000 miles on their GT with the pulley/tune and no issues.

On the R8 V10 I have 3 friends who have both the R8 and GT and they love the car but say no way it keeps up with the GT. Another friend of mine who sells both cars and has driven several of each says "the GT is faster in every gear--end of story". His words not mine.

 

[Les Quam]

My stock FGT is not faster than my stock gen 4 Viper but clearly faster than my gen 3 in informal side by side street tests. Obviously off the line from a dead stop the FGT has a slight advantage but my gen 4 Viper has always easily caught up and passed my FGT? These are my experiences and are of course relative. Not making sweeping generalizations about the cars.

Much easier in my very humble opinion to mod the FGT and extract tremendous gains. I have a driven a modded FGT it is other worldly and then combines incredible power along with iconic looks making it a must have supercar. It is also the only new car I have ever bought that has not depreciated. Mainly due to the loyal and fanatical FGT owners and FGT fans.

Dodge has been tweaking/sorting it's beloved Viper since 1992 and in an unprecedented manufacturer/Viper owner relationship has been continuously sorting out the Viper over it's entire history both on the track and street. Ford which must always be credited with building and getting the FGT to market in a relatively short time did not continue to build and sort out the FGT either for the street or track.

Dodge Viper owners have had unsurpassed access to Dodge engineers and Dodge has responded to Viper owners by building the 1999 ACR for them the subsequent Comp Coupes, the gen 4 ACRs, the ACR-Xs and who knows what else I forgot to mention? The point being is that Dodge listens intently to Viper owners and gives them back what they wish for both in the street car and on the track and a national club. Viper owners are living in a golden age for perfomance car ownership given how much Dodge has responded to their loyalty.

Can FGT owners like myself in any way compare the Ford ownership experience to Viper ownership experience? Probably not. I can remember walking into the service bay of my local Ford dealership and seeing the dealership owners red 2005 FGT in pieces scattered all over his service bay as the service manager tried to sort out the different birth issues the FGT was having at the time. I recall the service managers frustration with the lack of tech support he was getting from Ford on the FGT. That was in 2006 when the FGT was still in production.

I also don't think in my very humble opinion a stock FGT laps Laguna Seca or the ring anywhere near what a stock gen 4 ACR does with the same driver? And why should it? The FGT was discontinued in 2006 and the Viper developed into the gen 4 and gen 4 ACR and the gen 4 ACR-X.

The stock FGT is an incredible classic, iconic car with looks and performance to match. The FGT is also a signifcant and historic car as well and probably a piece of rolling automotive artwork. But in my opinion to compare it to a current Viper and expect to to be superior is unrealistic?