Cudaman's 10.3 Run @ V10 Nationals (pixs)

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I fly the same clould as Nadine UK GTS but this one was over the USA at Bowling Green
 
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Beautiful backdrop of drag strip at Bowling Green
 

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Larry Macedo tell Cudaman to quit smoking the tires and head down the drag strip, Tom Welch (fingers in ears) saying that Viper is loud and fast with NO nitrous. Phashant and David Boggs (to Tom's right) making sure I play by the rules!
 
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Lighting up the Macedo/ Roe Supercharger
 

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Very nice. Line up an event so I can come have some more fun. We need to go head to head.

Those pictures are awesome!
 

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Tom, that was a nice win. By the way on your signiture it has this info

" 1997 GTS, BTR 750 SS
9.77 @ 144 MPH
776 RWHP @ 969 RWTQ "

A MPH of 144 above was on your best pass ever.

Your mile an hour of 143.87 would lead me to believe that this was done on a 2 stage NITROUS at BG. In your own words you said " I severly smoked the clutch on my first pass on Saturday and was only able to muster a 9.9 at 143.87, but it was good enough to hold off the hard charging Dr. Roof (10.22 at 141 mph)".

Well at BG your mile an hour was 143.87, this would lead me to believe you used your second stage against Ward's car and Dr Roof's? I can not see how you would go 143.87 mph with a head wind and a tempiture of 93 degrees with out the second stage NOS. We are only looking at a .12 mph dif. from your own record. I guess what I am asking is did you use 2 stages?

By the way I am new to this as you can see I only have less than 20 posts. What division were you running in? Mod 2 or Unlimited, do you have heads and cam on on your car as well? I am just trying to understand because when there is another event I want to make sure I am in the right division.

And Tom thanks again for buying us all a round of drinks and my dinner at Outback. This was with the $$ that was won by Tom for the best reaction time on Friday. What a great guy. That was vary nice of you.

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Tom, that was a nice win. By the way on your signiture it has this info

" 1997 GTS, BTR 750 SS
9.77 @ 144 MPH
776 RWHP @ 969 RWTQ "

A MPH of 144 above was on your best pass ever.

Your mile an hour of 143.87 would lead me to believe that this was done on a 2 stage NITROUS at BG. In your own words you said " I severly smoked the clutch on my first pass on Saturday and was only able to muster a 9.9 at 143.87, but it was good enough to hold off the hard charging Dr. Roof (10.22 at 141 mph)".

Well at BG your mile an hour was 143.87, this would lead me to believe you used your second stage against Ward's car and Dr Roof's? I can not see how you would go 143.87 mph with a head wind and a tempiture of 93 degrees with out the second stage NOS. We are only looking at a .12 mph dif. from your own record. I guess what I am asking is did you use 2 stages?

By the way I am new to this as you can see I only have less than 20 posts. What division were you running in? Mod 2 or Unlimited, do you have heads and cam on on your car as well? I am just trying to understand because when there is another event I want to make sure I am in the right division.



Chris
Yeah, i thought the same thing. Wasnt the mod 2 class supposed to be a single power adder class? Tom ran very well but i cant believe the time he ran was with only one stage of nitros. toms trap speed is about the same as with 2 stages of nitros.
 

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Simply Awesome Ward!!!!!!!!!Again, congrats on that run and enjoy that beautiful car of yours. Wicked pictures!!!!!!!

Bindy
 

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yeah! awesome photos!!!! sweeet! Makes posers like me with power proud!!! :laugh:
 

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Great pics. Nadine has some competition!

2 stage nitrous would be a single power adder as far as I am concerned. I think that two power adders means something like a SC and nitrous.

--- Ken
 

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Larry Macedo tell Cudaman to quit smoking the tires and head down the drag strip, Tom Welch (fingers in ears) saying that Viper is loud and fast with NO nitrous. Phashant and David Boggs (to Tom's right) making sure I play by the rules!

Man...I have to lose a few pounds, pictures don't lie. LOL
 

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Hello Chris,

Thanks for the question. We ran and WON the street tire shootout on Friday and having slipped the clutch several times for traction purposes, it became glazed and failed on our first nitrous pass during qualifiying on Saturday. Typically a Viper clutch will come back if sufficient cooling time is alloted. As you know from being there, we did not have much time between runs, so I elected to NOT use nitrous in first gear. That is the reason why our E.T. was slightly down. Our best ever MPH is 145.86. Our best MPH of the event was what you quoted 143 and change.

We use a single stage nitrous system that injects nitrous/propane and gasoline all at the same time. Lee Saunders runs the same system on his Viper and ran 9.89 for the quickest qualifying time in Mod 2. Both of our Vipers are 750SS packages straight from my website, with the exception that Lees car still uses the STOCK cam. Both cars have heads/cam/headers/exhaust on STOCK cubic inch engines with stock drivetrains and gearing. As for mulitple power adders, I would consider an intercooler on a turbo or supercharged car to be a 2nd power adder, or a stroked engine with nitrous or forced air induction.

Again, thanks a bunch for the reaction time payout...Im glad I got to give it back to everyone at dinner that nite.

Tom

BTW, I have nearly 1000 posts, and I still have alot to learn! LOL
 

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Tom,
Thanks for the update. So are you saying that out of the hole you did not use NOS. I think you ran a 1.67 60ft. So this is true as far as not spraying out of the hole. I know for a fact you can run under a 1.47 60ft on a 3.07 gear using NOS out of the hole.

In understanding your NOS from your web sight http://www.btrviper.com/9sec.html, you have 2 stages of NOS. 1 stage for 1st and 2end gear, and than in 3erd and 4th you hit the aditional 2end stage. That would mean a 143mph? And with a 1.67 short time and only using a singal stage of NOS I would think you would of been in the 10's at 139mph

Tom what is the best ET and MPH befor you put your second stage on your Viper?


My question is this: Did you use your second stage of NOS at BG?
 

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2 stage nitrous would be a single power adder as far as I am concerned. I think that two power adders means something like a SC and nitrous.

--- Ken
if that were the case then what would be the difference between mod 2 and unlimited?
 

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Cudaman, What is the rest of the 10.3? ......10.30 0r 10.39 ? Heck of a run either way but even though I get limited 1/4 mile time I need a time to shoot for. Our local track is only an 1/8 mile. A new clutch is needed first though.

p.s. My goal is a 9.9x pass with a stock motor, no rockers.
 
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As for mulitple power adders, I would consider an intercooler on a turbo or supercharged car to be a 2nd power adder, or a stroked engine with nitrous or forced air induction.
Tom, My car DOES NOT have an intercooler nor stroker engine , it does have stock crank and stock connecting rods.

Maxed GTS, You are correct.....There was a large and long disscussion before the mod2 race about someone SHOULD NOT run in Mod2 ( by both track officals) but they should run in unlimited .... This person knows who he is and he wants to come forward and set the story straight they should ..... I WILL NOT SAY WHO IT IS.
1Tony1... sorry.....10.361
Cudaman :usa:
 

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Now that is an interesting discussion!!

Tom, please answer Chris’ question: “Did you use your second stage of NOS at BG?” I think the answer is clearly yes…just my opinion.

The next question is: “is the second stage of NOS considered a 2nd power adder?”

Let’s figure this out before the next V-10 Nationals in Bradenton, FL. I want to see these events grow. That can only happen if the rules are fair, clear and are being enforced.

Just my 2 draxmas (Greek cents) J
 

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Re: Cudaman\'s 10.3 Run @ V10 Nationals (pixs)

There is to much gray area to be accusing Tom. If you look at his web site there are two propane/gas/nitrous kits. One is called a two stage and the other is not. Even with four nozzles, if they are turned on at once is that a single stage or two stage ? I never was clear on the final rules on nitrous. IMHO If you have two fogger systems then you have one power adder, I did not see a limit on boost so why limit n02. There is an advantage to bringing any type system in.....in two stages or more.(even turbos). The advantage is keeping the tires hooked up. I could put two foggers on my car and make them one stage (i.e. one activation) and have them "progressive" on for traction purposes. In the latest rules as posted below it does not even address one or two stages so a two stage would be legal. Maybe heads and cam cars with a power adder should be bumped up a class ? While your looking at rules please note that unlimited is also called the "big power class". Would that not include 900 hp blower cars ? There was even whining because I was going to run my skinnies in the street shootout so I changed to the fat soft (Kuhmo) front tires (on my stock engined car). Still had the best street tire e.t. :D
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Mod 2: (power Adder 1)
All goes with exception of only one power adder is allowed. Slicks Allowed

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Mod 2: (power Adder 1)
All goes with exception of only one power adder is allowed. Slicks Allowed (No Previous 9 second car's allowed in this class)

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Blower/NOS Dual Stage NOS or Direct Port Turbo/NOS
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Tony.... I think the 2 officals were discussing about the rules that said " No Previous 9 second car's allowed in this class" Tom has run a 9.77 and maybe 8 -12 other times in the 9's. NO ONE else in that class has EVER has run a 9. I know I have not ...what about you or David Boggs? I believe that the rest of the cars in our class have run times much closer to each other reguarless of mods. My best times one week to this event was 10.99s ,I was and am still getting use to driving the car with these mods. I do not have much of drag racing experince, which was evident when I ran Tom my reaction time was a 1.??
The officals were trying to were trying to keep this a fair event with its classes. Tony do you think it is fair for 1 car to run in our class that was nearly 1 second fasrter than all our times?
Cudaman :usa:
 

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Gentlemen,

I sense ill feelings from some folks. The bottom line is that our car is a SINGLE POWER ADDER car in the clearest definition of the term. We use a Single nitrous system on a heads and cam package that is no different than Wards car as he has done severe engine modifications.

As for the original "no previous 9 second cars rule" search the forums here and you will find that this rule was changed as a single power adder car is just that, and to penalize a car for going fast....well.

As for the BTR Contingent changing classses, we were offered by the event staff to move into unlimited because of a balance of the amount of cars in each class. WE WERE OFFERED THE TROPHIES FOR FIRST AND SECOND PLACE IN MOD 2 IF WE ACCEPTED THE MOVE TO UNLIMITED! I felt that this was unfair to the mod 2 competitors and we elected to run in the mod 2 class...which is where our cars belong. This was confirmed by the event staff. ALSO, we offered the event staff to combine mod 2 and unlimited after the semi final round and even offered to run the winner of MOD 2 against the winner of Unlimited in the highest spirit of our intent to race as much as possible.

This is nothing shy of ultimate fairness in my opinion.

I hope this clears matters up, if not please solicit the thoughts of Prashant and Dr. Roof. Otherwise, work on your cars to make them faster, thats racing!

Tom
 

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I wouldn't think that a second stage of nitrous would be considered a 2nd power adder. It's more of the same thing! Don't turbo cars have a progressive boost controller sometimes? You add more boost once you hook up? I say it's one power adder!
 
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Tom ... So what you are saying is, lets get the rest of unlimited cars including your self and run them in mod 2. I think that is even more fair ....
This is nothing shy of ultimate fairness in my opinion.

I hope this clears matters up, if not please solicit the thoughts of Prashant and Dr. Roof. Otherwise, work on your cars to make them faster, thats racing!

Tom
P.S.
I do not think head and cam would classified as severe engine modifications, yes I have forged pistons like any other car prior to 2000
Yes... Doug Levin, it was a plesure to meet you as well !
Cudaman :usa:
 

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Ward,

I don't understand what you are trying to say. But please, dont hide the fact from Viper owners that most of your complete rotating assembly has been changed. I have no problem with that, and I thought you did well, and you are learning to drive your car like a pro. You need to understand that your choice of a supercharger power adder is no different than my choice of nitrous. Just because my car has ran faster...doesn't change the fact that we have ONE POWER ADDER.

Maybe you should spearhead a race for supercharged cars only.

1Tony1,

Thanks for the comments...its nice to hear from an experienced racer with regards to power adders and it was a pleasure racing against you in both the Mod 2 final and the Street Tire final!

Tom

P.S. My hats off to Larry Macedo for having several s/c Vipers at this event and all were running strong.
 

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Tom,
HELLO............are you going to answer the question? DID YOU USE THE SECOND STAGE OF NOS. LET ME PUT IT A DIFFERENT. DID YOU USE THE SECOND STAGE OF NOS AT BG. YES or NO.

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1TONY,
" accusing Tom ". I do not see it that way. I have 1 question for Tom and he continues to avoid anwering it. Did he use the second stage of NOS. YES or NO.
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In closeing I want it to be CLEARLY understod that I was told that Tom was not to use his second stage of NOS in MOD 2. This is why I am addresing the 143+ MPH.

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Just in case you all missed it. Did Tom use his second stage of NOS? Yes or NO
 

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Chris,

I thought I answered your question, but let me be more specific..we are not using a two stage nitrous system at present and were not using a two stage nitrous system at the race. We use the same amount of nitrous injection as our two stage system but due to chassis tuning and better shocks and springs we are able to bring in all of the nitrous at once.

To explain a two stage to you seeing that you are inexperienced, most use a two stage as a way to leave the line with traction and bring in the rest of the nitrous down track where traction is usually not an issue. The total amount of nitrous injected is the same....no different than a progressive boost control on a forced air unit.

I HOPE THIS IS CLEAR ENOUGH. Please feel free to contact me for a demonstration of all of our nitrous systems.

Tom
 
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