CANTDRIVE55
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Re: Dave\'s Big Brake Upgrade
The ACR wheels will clear. I did Dave's upgrade and it's an A+ upgrade on my ACR.
The ACR wheels will clear. I did Dave's upgrade and it's an A+ upgrade on my ACR.
Dave's Big Brake Upgrade
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Tom F&L GoR
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Re: Dave\'s Big Brake Upgrade
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I'm sure Dave or Tom could answer your question much better than I can.
I'll say this... at lower speeds, braking didn't seem to change much. The pedal had a better 'feel' which I would attribute to the steel braided brake lines. But other than that no real huge difference.
What did make a difference was hitting the brakes at higher speeds (60 mph +). The nose of the car did not dip/lunge forward like it did with the stock brakes. It felt more like the entire car squatted down. The weight transfer to the front wheels is definitely less.
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The pedal will have a different feel because the same master cylinder is filling up more fluid cavities behind the pistons in the calipers now installed. (Certainly the case of your rear brakes!) Your foot has to press differently to apply the pressure that pushes the pistons against the pads and against the rotor. Also, since the proportioning valve allows equal pressure to front and rear brakes until it reaches the cut-off pressure, the rears do a reasonable amount of braking under lighter load conditions, so more/bigger/better rear brakes will feel different even in normal driving.
The squatting is simple physics of moments about the center of gravity. Or think of it in two separate steps: with front brakes only, the car "trips" over the front wheels and the center of gravity will rise (i.e. it wants to pole vault over the contact patch of the front tires.) With rear brakes only, the car is "dragged" by the rear wheels and the center of gravity will fall (i.e. it wants to fall closer to the ground.) Combine the two and it feels pretty good and far more confidence inspiring!
Frankly, the way your car feels now, no matter how you get there (free plug for everyone!) is the way the car should have come from Dodge. It's a big difference.
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I'm sure Dave or Tom could answer your question much better than I can.
I'll say this... at lower speeds, braking didn't seem to change much. The pedal had a better 'feel' which I would attribute to the steel braided brake lines. But other than that no real huge difference.
What did make a difference was hitting the brakes at higher speeds (60 mph +). The nose of the car did not dip/lunge forward like it did with the stock brakes. It felt more like the entire car squatted down. The weight transfer to the front wheels is definitely less.
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The pedal will have a different feel because the same master cylinder is filling up more fluid cavities behind the pistons in the calipers now installed. (Certainly the case of your rear brakes!) Your foot has to press differently to apply the pressure that pushes the pistons against the pads and against the rotor. Also, since the proportioning valve allows equal pressure to front and rear brakes until it reaches the cut-off pressure, the rears do a reasonable amount of braking under lighter load conditions, so more/bigger/better rear brakes will feel different even in normal driving.
The squatting is simple physics of moments about the center of gravity. Or think of it in two separate steps: with front brakes only, the car "trips" over the front wheels and the center of gravity will rise (i.e. it wants to pole vault over the contact patch of the front tires.) With rear brakes only, the car is "dragged" by the rear wheels and the center of gravity will fall (i.e. it wants to fall closer to the ground.) Combine the two and it feels pretty good and far more confidence inspiring!
Frankly, the way your car feels now, no matter how you get there (free plug for everyone!) is the way the car should have come from Dodge. It's a big difference.
Dave's Big Brakes
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Re: Dave\'s Big Brake Upgrade
Hey Doc,
Merry Xmas, you haven't sent me any pictures to post on my web site
Dave
Hey Doc,
Merry Xmas, you haven't sent me any pictures to post on my web site
Dave
02 Graphite GTS
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Re: Dave\'s Big Brake Upgrade
It made me crazy knowing that I put the rotors on backwards so I was out in the garage early this morning working on the car.
After pulling the front wheel, I removed the 2 nuts that hold on the caliper and slid it back. The rotor slid right off. VERY EASY to do.
I put the correct rotor on and slid the caliper back in place and torqued down the nuts.
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It made me crazy knowing that I put the rotors on backwards so I was out in the garage early this morning working on the car.
After pulling the front wheel, I removed the 2 nuts that hold on the caliper and slid it back. The rotor slid right off. VERY EASY to do.
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I put the correct rotor on and slid the caliper back in place and torqued down the nuts.
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Andrew2KRT10
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Re: Dave\'s Big Brake Upgrade
Looks great, good color choice. I stuck with boring black.
AC
Looks great, good color choice. I stuck with boring black.
AC
twinturbo3150
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Re: Dave\'s Big Brake Upgrade
looks awesome
looks awesome
Fast Freddy
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Re: Dave\'s Big Brake Upgrade
welcome to the club
welcome to the club
NK BREKR
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Re: Dave\'s Big Brake Upgrade
Damn Lance! The car looks awesome, can't wait to see it in person. I might have to change my calipers now!
Damn Lance!
The car looks awesome, can't wait to see it in person. I might have to change my calipers now!
BAKSPEED23
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Hello there, I’m going to try to re-open this thread.. I was wondering if Dave’s Big Brake Kit is still available? (Or similar) Have a 1995 I’m turning into a track car.
Thanks in advance.
Sam
Thanks in advance.
Sam
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redtanrt10
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RIP Dave, 10 years ago? Not sure if someone bought out his designs, hopefully someone else will chime in
bthibodeaux
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Just seeing this as i recently joined forum. Thank you so much for the well written and illustrated "how to" type instructions! It will be a big help when I do the same thing to my 1999 RT 10 in the next month or so (waiting on wheels), but with IPSCO hardware.
scuderia47
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Funny timing on reviving this old thread…I was reading it a few days ago.
I have a pertinent question about routing front stainless steel brake lines. I’m using hardware from Viper Parts USA. The lines don’t come with any intrinsic shape/bend and there’s a 45 degree mounting bracket included. I’m having a hard time getting the front lines positioned in the same manner/route as the stock lines were. Does anyone have advice/pictures on how to run these front SS lines that don’t come with a pre-shaped bend?
Thanks!
Bill
I have a pertinent question about routing front stainless steel brake lines. I’m using hardware from Viper Parts USA. The lines don’t come with any intrinsic shape/bend and there’s a 45 degree mounting bracket included. I’m having a hard time getting the front lines positioned in the same manner/route as the stock lines were. Does anyone have advice/pictures on how to run these front SS lines that don’t come with a pre-shaped bend?
Thanks!
Bill
bloose
Viper Owner
I was probably one of the last people to buy the kit from Dave before he passed. Fantastic person. Similar kits are available here if you haven't already located one. Viper Parts Depot - Big Brake Caliper upgrade. I can probably answer any questions you might have about performing this upgrade.
