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My GTS and some cash vs a SRT-10?

I just want something different..... a change..
Not a big fan of the SRT-10, but heck, it's a viper, has 500HP and convertible..


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I agree with Tim. Its like trading Pamela Anderson for Katie Couric. You probably will get bored with the "norm" since you are now accustomed to the freaky side of HP. JMHO.
 

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Gerald - I just got back from my first test ride in a Gen3... not sure if you'd had the chance yet... I left VERY impressed with the car. If you haven't yet, get a chance to drive one before making up your mind.

In my opinion - It's a lot different from your GTS but it's better in so many ways. The quality of the car has increased so much over previous Snakes, the attention to detail left me impressed. As much as I love my Gen1 I've never bragged about its fit and finish but when I get a SRT I will. It's STRONG stock. My Gen1 dyno's at approx. 500 HP and I can say that the car I just drove would easily beat mine in the straight-line. Move the line at all and the car is unreal! The brakes are like nothing I have even experienced! (I like the contrast of the red caliper with the black gloss). We were going a little over 50 and he jammed them.... and we just stopped. A little stutter as the ABS did it's job but it was crazy. The interior is night and day compared to past Vipers. Great audio, seats are very comfortable and seem to surround you to keep you in place, everything is tight, the leather and plastics are of high quality, and the engine is looking bigger and meaner then ever! I can't even imagine what your friend Doug is dreaming up for this car!?!?

This was a black 03 and with the top down it looked unreal. I waited a year intentionally and it seems to have been a good move with all the bugs DC has been working out. A new 04 is in the showroom but the cars are virtually identical in every way but the year 1 problems.

We were stopping the usual amounts of traffic as we drove and under power the car sounds really mean stock.... the idle could sound a lot better though. FYI - It was parked next to my Gen1 in the parking lot and the people walking by were checking out the SRT 3-1 to mine. That's never happened to me before anywhere! What the SRT haters have been saying on here since before day one really makes zero sense to me after today. This car is 100% Viper only it's different.... and better in many way.

Just my thoughts. You've had a Gen1, then a Gen2 GTS.... Gotta give the new one a shot. If you drive it and hate it you can always get yourself into another GTS without losing too much.
 

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If you want a change, how 'bout wait for the Gen3 coupe? Should be a real head turner...
 
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That's what I"m thinking....

I'd prefer a DLM supercharged GenIII.... I'm sure someone might want to trade and some cash... :laugh:

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Gerald - I just got back from my first test ride in a Gen3... not sure if you'd had the chance yet... I left VERY impressed with the car. If you haven't yet, get a chance to drive one before making up your mind.

In my opinion - It's a lot different from your GTS but it's better in so many ways. The quality of the car has increased so much over previous Snakes, the attention to detail left me impressed. As much as I love my Gen1 I've never bragged about its fit and finish but when I get a SRT I will. It's STRONG stock. My Gen1 dyno's at approx. 500 HP and I can say that the car I just drove would easily beat mine in the straight-line. Move the line at all and the car is unreal! The brakes are like nothing I have even experienced! (I like the contrast of the red caliper with the black gloss). We were going a little over 50 and he jammed them.... and we just stopped. A little stutter as the ABS did it's job but it was crazy. The interior is night and day compared to past Vipers. Great audio, seats are very comfortable and seem to surround you to keep you in place, everything is tight, the leather and plastics are of high quality, and the engine is looking bigger and meaner then ever! I can't even imagine what your friend Doug is dreaming up for this car!?!?

This was a black 03 and with the top down it looked unreal. I waited a year intentionally and it seems to have been a good move with all the bugs DC has been working out. A new 04 is in the showroom but the cars are virtually identical in every way but the year 1 problems.

We were stopping the usual amounts of traffic as we drove and under power the car sounds really mean stock.... the idle could sound a lot better though. FYI - It was parked next to my Gen1 in the parking lot and the people walking by were checking out the SRT 3-1 to mine. That's never happened to me before anywhere! What the SRT haters have been saying on here since before day one really makes zero sense to me after today. This car is 100% Viper only it's different.... and better in many way.

Just my thoughts. You've had a Gen1, then a Gen2 GTS.... Gotta give the new one a shot. If you drive it and hate it you can always get yourself into another GTS without losing too much.
Sorry Bro the GTS will ALWAYS be the number one Viper!!!
 

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Sorry guys, I must disagree. The number one Viper is the Gen I car. The 92-95 cars were designed with no frills, gobs of HP and torque and amazing head turning styling. In my opinion, the Gen III is a nice car, however, it has all but lost the uniquiness of what the Viper was originally intended to be. I guess this is simply a case of "to each his/her own". :usa:
 

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Sorry guys, I must disagree. The number one Viper is the Gen I car. The 92-95 cars were designed with no frills, gobs of HP and torque and amazing head turning styling. In my opinion, the Gen III is a nice car, however, it has all but lost the uniquiness of what the Viper was originally intended to be. I guess this is simply a case of "to each his/her own". :usa:


i agree with this...Gen 1 Vipers are very raw. if I was looking for comfort, nice interior, and a sweet stereo, I would have bought a Vette.

My personal opinion is that the Gen 3 is starting to lose the "race car" profile. Its not ever roadster anyone, its a convertible.
 

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"the Gen III is a nice car, however, it has all but lost the uniquiness of what the Viper was originally intended to be."


Gen III out corners, out brakes, and out powers past models.
Which is exactly what the viper was intended to be. Badest on the street.
Body style is subjective. But its still the best choice out there for a new car.
 

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I own a Gen1 Viper, a 02 Vette and just spent some time with an SRT. Trust me, the SRT is 110% Viper in every way. I will be keeping the Gen1 and trading the Vette on a SRT. That's the point: the SRT can replace my Vette because it's been designed to be MORE than a weekend toy like my 95 but it's still a Viper in every way. It's just a NEW Viper; a BETTER Viper. **Can't wait for a new coupe to come out so you GTS guys can shut the fuc* up with the SRT bashing. For some reason it ****** you off that a vert can now whip you on the track.... get over it or at least shut up. You all sound like auto mag writters.

The SRT doesn't have frills, it's just made better. My 95 came with an audio system frill and it was a joke. The SRT has a very good system (not great); my 95 has AC, SRT has a better system; my 95 had horrible interior the SRT has a tight, great feeling and great looking interior. My 95 has a glovebox frill that opens every time I hit a bump, the SRT has actual functional interior storage that works. My 95 had seats with some kind of strange pump adjustable lumbar support as a frill??? The SRT has suede/leather seats that really hold you in the car with actual adjustable lumbar support that supports. My Gen1 has an attempt at a top and "windows" frills, the SRT has a great looking, easy to work top that stays on at over 200 MPH and power glass. My Gen1 has sidepipes and a system that earned the famous UPS quotes, the SRT has sidepipes and a system that sounds great stock. My Gen1 has brakes that were designed to be industry leading (may have been in 1995), the SRT has the best braking system on anything ever tested. Could go on and on.

"My personal opinion is that the Gen 3 is starting to lose the "race car" profile. Its not ever roadster anyone, its a convertible." Yeah, its a sedan.... if you say so. And a roadster is a convertible.

The SRT has a lot more gobs of HP and torque.

Though I am not an owner (yet), my time with the SRT turned as many if not more heads then my Gen1 and that's saying a lot.

Go and see a 04 in the showroom and drive one. Just because DC has improved the car doesn't make it less of a Viper. It's a Viper... a better Viper in many ways... a GREAT Viper and a great car.
 

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I don't know -- I'm on the fence about this one. The Gen I or II has less technology then the SRT for sure but I still feel the older cars are definitely more aggressive looking and more of a "Viper" then what I see in the SRT.

Not saying I don't like the SRT, I just feel the fun factor has been downright awesome with a supercharged R/T 10. I don't miss anything in my car that could possibly be in the SRT. Just my .02

-Lou :usa: :cool:
 

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the SRT has a great looking, easy to work top that stays on at over 200 MPH and power glass.
Obviously, all of your comparisons are being made against a Gen 1 not a Gen 2 GTS! BTW, an SRT will NOT hit 200 mph let alone go over it. It has too much aero drag compared to a GTS. If you don't believe that then come see the rearend of my GTS after you get your SRT. The SRT will get beat in a top speed race with a GTS so I say the GTS is the better performer as I believe top speed is the ultimate test of an exotic. The R/T and GTS win in the exotic styling department too. You think the SRT is great...fine...I could get an SRT easy if I wanted one...I don't...I think the GTS is the REAL VIPER! Those of us that prefer a GEN 1 or 2 have a right to express our opinion. So when you say shut the f___ up I say F___ you! :D
 
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I'll let you guys decide, what would be a GOOD selling price? NOT asking..selling price.. I was thinking 58k...
I feel the car without the S/C is worth high 40's.. another 8k for approx high 700's RWHP and runs like a clock...

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Put it in the duPont REGISTRY as the true DLM exotic it is. List for $90K OBO. Just my .02...I think you'll miss it next time one of those bikes pulls up next to your SRT! Good luck!
 

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Put it in the duPont REGISTRY as the true DLM exotic it is. List for $90K OBO. Just my .02...I think you'll miss it next time one of those bikes pulls up next to your SRT! Good luck!
Well said DD I couldn't agree more!

-Lou
 

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The SRT will get beat in a top speed race with a GTS so I say the GTS is the better performer as I believe top speed is the ultimate test of an exotic. The R/T and GTS win in the exotic styling department too.

Dodge drove a stock SRT to a top speed of >200 mph on a test track in arizona (information provided by Y2K3SRT). What is the highest speed reached in a stock GTS?

Everyone has their own opinion I guess, but the SRT is miles ahead of the GTS in exterior exotic styling. It's not even a fair contest. Just my opinion of course. Glad you like your GTS.
 

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According the Chris, the head of the VCA in the KC region (and someone who traded his GTS for a new SRT in 03) a SRT HAS BEEN clocked at 202 MPH with the top up and he knows more about the car then anyone you could hope to meet. "Better performer because of top end" (even if it were true).... yeah, OK. Handling, braking, 1/4 mile... all suddenly do not mean anything.

The SRT is a generation ahead of the Gen2 in the engine, brakes (3 generations ahead there), suspension, interior, QUALITY etc.... just deal with it. It doesn't take anything away from your GTS's, it is just how it is. If you took a new SRT to your crooked friend in Texas, for the same money he would be able to give you A LOT more car. 1/4 mile, road course, top end, etc... any category but braking. DLM same thing only more.

As a weekend car I would not sell my 95 for any other car available including the SRT. That was not the point. So I can completely understand someone driving a Gen1 or Gen2, especially SC'ed, not wanting to sell it for a SRT. However, I can also understand how someone could trade a Gen1 or Gen2 because now that I have researched, seen, and driven the SRT I understand what an outstanding Viper it is. I am looking for an everyday car (which for me isn't really that much driving) and the SRT is 100% perfect. I could go pick up a 02 GTS..... not for me. That's another great weekend toy, one of the best like my 95, but no way would I want to drive it every day over the new Viper. It's not even close.

The only real complaints you GTS big mouths have are really about styling. Something I never mentioned beyond saying that the SRT is 110% Viper. Whether you like the new Viper or not is completely up to the individual because it is a much different (and better) car. If you only like the coupe you are prob not going to want or like a convertible. I was comparing it directly to MY Gen1. The Gen2 had improvements but not nearly enough for what became a $75-$85,000 car (my 95 was $53,000 new) and I'll never understand how those improvements over the Gen1 were OK but the many, many, many improvements in the Gen3 over the Gen2 make it "less of a Viper." A lot of you GTS guys, especially the ones with mods (thus have a lot invested and worry about resale) have done a lot to hurt the new SRT. You all complain about how the motor rags review your car but then have no problem continually hammering the SRT based on seeing some pictures, which makes you a lot worse than the rags in my opinion because they are all Vipers and you are supposed to know better.

Believe it or not D-Dog... MANY of us feel that a plain red GTS with a big, stupid, ricer looking spoiler, side-skirts, and rear-end nonsense is hideous but probably would not say so because it's still a Viper and we support the car. Unlike 90% of current GTS owners regarding the SRT. FYI - Your car to me is hideous. No wonder you have so much sh*t to say about the new Viper... you transformed yours into something that to me looks like a Viper mistake. I'd keep driving my Vette before trading down to something like that. Thank God there's a new Viper!!
 

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OutThere, I agree with you in many respects. I own two Gen I RT/10's and just never have liked the GTS's. This stems from me owning Corvette Z06's and hating the looks of the bubbly coupe style vettes, which is what the GTS Vipers remind me of. The RT/10's with the side pipes just look bad ass. I would love to have all the creature comforts of a newer Gen II, but I picked up my car for looks, and kept my Z06 as a daily driver because it is a better car for what I use it for.

The SRT10 I am not a big fan of, yet. I don't think it looks different enough from other cars or aggressive enough to stand out. When you look at a comp coupe, then you see an agressive looking SRT, with the cable support on the front spliter, etc. However, I think adding some kind of better rear wing to the SRT10 would help it out a lot (I thought my rt10 looked plain without a small wing.) I don't like big racer wings, but something small back there adds a lot. I also don't like the stock wheels. I think the car should use some kind of 5 spoke design that mimics more the new Purners/HRE's or even the classic look of the Gen II wheel, in a larger size. I will probably pass on the SRT10, but I am hoping the coupe version looks just like the comp coupe, and I will probably trade in my vette for that one when it comes out.

Here's a side by side photo of the two:


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Superbar - I agree with you about the Comp Coupe. When the Coupe version of the Gen3 comes out, if it does, it's going to be an unreal car! The GTS crowd should probably wait (and save) for its eventual release. Just shup-up about the SRT in the meantime!

RE: The SRT - The picture you posted looks old. The cars lines were improved before the 03s were delivered and it really shows up when you see the car in the showroom. I wish I had my camera for when I was following Chris on the road. The car looks GREAT on the road! In the mirror, from behind, etc.. It's different than other Vipers but it's all Viper. It looks and sounds mean... and everyone in traffic was acting as they normally do when a Viper is near.

Check out the pictures in this thread:

http://vca2.viperclub.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB21&Number=324775&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1#Post325176

This is right down the road from me in KS. This black 04, and Chris' black 03, look soooo much better in person then in pictures. FYI - The red Gen1 you'll see is mine.

Of the two SRT owners I have spoken to, each has indicated that they had no intention of getting a SRT (mostly because of the torid of negative press from the rags, bad pictures, and the non-stop negative comments from many current Viper owners who had never even seen the car!) until they actually saw one, sunk into the cockpit, and most importantly got behind the wheel and took it out for a ride. After yesterday I can 100% understand why. The black 04 in that showroom completely blew me away and Chris was nice enough to allow me to drive his. WOW the car is something! And I am someone who had a Viper waiting to be driven home but I have to admit that for the first time I kinda wished I was in a different car. I am definatly getting an 04 now, it's just a matter of when and from where....
 

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According the Chris, the head of the VCA in the KC region (and someone who traded his GTS for a new SRT in 03) a SRT HAS BEEN clocked at 202 MPH with the top up and he knows more about the car then anyone you could hope to meet. "Better performer because of top end" (even if it were true).... yeah, OK. Handling, braking, 1/4 mile... all suddenly do not mean anything.

The SRT is a generation ahead of the Gen2 in the engine, brakes (3 generations ahead there), suspension, interior, QUALITY etc.... just deal with it. It doesn't take anything away from your GTS's, it is just how it is. If you took a new SRT to your crooked friend in Texas, for the same money he would be able to give you A LOT more car. 1/4 mile, road course, top end, etc... any category but braking. DLM same thing only more.

As a weekend car I would not sell my 95 for any other car available including the SRT. That was not the point. So I can completely understand someone driving a Gen1 or Gen2, especially SC'ed, not wanting to sell it for a SRT. However, I can also understand how someone could trade a Gen1 or Gen2 because now that I have researched, seen, and driven the SRT I understand what an outstanding Viper it is. I am looking for an everyday car (which for me isn't really that much driving) and the SRT is 100% perfect. I could go pick up a 02 GTS..... not for me. That's another great weekend toy, one of the best like my 95, but no way would I want to drive it every day over the new Viper. It's not even close.

The only real complaints you GTS big mouths have are really about styling. Something I never mentioned beyond saying that the SRT is 110% Viper. Whether you like the new Viper or not is completely up to the individual because it is a much different (and better) car. If you only like the coupe you are prob not going to want or like a convertible. I was comparing it directly to MY Gen1. The Gen2 had improvements but not nearly enough for what became a $75-$85,000 car (my 95 was $53,000 new) and I'll never understand how those improvements over the Gen1 were OK but the many, many, many improvements in the Gen3 over the Gen2 make it "less of a Viper." A lot of you GTS guys, especially the ones with mods (thus have a lot invested and worry about resale) have done a lot to hurt the new SRT. You all complain about how the motor rags review your car but then have no problem continually hammering the SRT based on seeing some pictures, which makes you a lot worse than the rags in my opinion because they are all Vipers and you are supposed to know better.

Believe it or not D-Dog... MANY of us feel that a plain red GTS with a big, stupid, ricer looking spoiler, side-skirts, and rear-end nonsense is hideous but probably would not say so because it's still a Viper and we support the car. Unlike 90% of current GTS owners regarding the SRT. FYI - Your car to me is hideous. No wonder you have so much sh*t to say about the new Viper... you transformed yours into something that to me looks like a Viper mistake. I'd keep driving my Vette before trading down to something like that. Thank God there's a new Viper!!

Reading your posts and then noting you refer to others as "big mouths" is a hoot. :rolleyes: :usa:
 

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"Reading your posts and then noting you refer to others as "big mouths" is a hoot."

LOL. Yeah I say a lot but I'm only negative in defense.... gee, another guy with a GTS.... Go figure!
 

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