Evan Smith sets ET and MPH record for stock domestic cars in 2008 Viper Roadster
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SnakeBitten
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I remember that article. That is by far the fastest time and trap by a published mag for the FGT. Never seen another FGT touch those numbers. Would love to see the SRT match or beat those numbers. Cool weather is right around the corner.
Were going to definately try .A published time is a published time.-thats the time to beat-11.2 (to tell you the truth iam pissed at myself for jumping the gun on the whole et record thing .I really wanted the 08 Viper to set another record esp with all the rumors floating around about its future ect.)The cooler air definately brings more horsepower hopefully this will translate to a lower ET.I remember that article. That is by far the fastest time and trap by a published mag for the FGT. Never seen another FGT touch those numbers. Would love to see the SRT match or beat those numbers. Cool weather is right around the corner.
Snorman
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No he didn't.
Ranger went 11.14@127 bone stock on stock tires.
Jamie Furman's car is the only "documented" C6Z in the 10's. Interestingly enough and with the exception of only one other car, Ranger's and Furman's cars are at least 3-4 mph faster than any other car on the C6 Z06 "Fast List". Granted, they ran those times in late-November at sea level tracks in near-perfect air, but it really does make one wonder.
S.
Alexarz
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I don't wonder at all about the commitment that these two midnight tweakers have, for their beloved vettes. Were their vettes "bone stock"? LMAO!!
The entire topic translates directly back to the VERIFYED STOCK official published time thing.There is simply no way to verify a car was totally stock(no computer reflashes ect ).Hearsay is totally unreliable.Over the years i have seen Jamie run -flat out hes as good as Evan (no doubt in my mind at least in 40 degree air at that track he popped a 10 second run run. HOWEVER the whole point of Evans attempt here was to obtain the fastest DOCUMENTED ET out of a VERIFYED stock domestic production car.The printed results speak for themselves unfortunately he was a tenth or too slow.
lankhoss
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There were magazines that posted 127mph trap in the quarter mile.
Of course none were ever faster than that. And Ranger did post a 10's run on the stock runflats. The first time he hit the 10's was on DR's, then later he did it on the stock tires.
I think the issue here is not whether Ranger posted a 10 second run,the issue is how Ranger can prove that his car was totally STOCK (no computer relashes ect )when he made the 10 second run.Once again were going for an official published record for a stock domestic production car (to do a computer reflash before the run and reset it back after takes minutes on a Z06 )
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This time is "Verified". Excellent Run.
Snorman
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No he didn't. He went 10's on DR's. Furman is the only C6Z that went 10's stock. All you have to do is peruse CF.com.
I don't recall any magazines running 127 mph. Regardless, my point stands...Furman's and Ranger's cars have pretty much run 3-4 mph faster than just about any other Z out there with very, very rare exception.
S.
Snorman
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There have been quite a few doubters who called Ranger out on CF.com. I never really read those threads in detail, but you are correct.
S.
Wrong the time is not an offical published time unless a representive from a publication can VERIFY the car is totally stock at the time of the run.In accordinance with your comment if someone took a STOCK Z06 to the Ring to compete in the STOCK CLASS without the car being verifyed as totally stock and set an unofficial record (verifyed only by people who viewed the run )would the run be official -DONT think so.
PS Look at the hearsay and conjecture here alone as to the time and tires that Ranger supposidly ran. No one knows for sure as to what tires the man was running yet others are sure the car was totally stock (no reflashes ect )
I think Snakeplissken was referring to the run in your car, not the Vette, when he made his post
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I dont get the disbelief at Ranger and Jamie running 10's stock at a below sea level track in great weather. Dont engines produce more power below sea level? That would account for the 2-3 mph faster than the typical [above sea level] Z06 times. Not that hard to understand. If Ranger or Jamie did that at an above sea level track then It deffinately had to be a modded Z06.
They cant run those times and mph at a every track in a bonestock Z06 only "special" tracks. An 08 Viper at that below sea level track would hit 10's if properly driven imho. ACR should easily do it too. 1/4 would be done way before the aero really starts to hamper it significantly.
They cant run those times and mph at a every track in a bonestock Z06 only "special" tracks. An 08 Viper at that below sea level track would hit 10's if properly driven imho. ACR should easily do it too. 1/4 would be done way before the aero really starts to hamper it significantly.
Kenneth Krieger
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Well......if "Ranger" took the 08 Viper down the track "bone stock" he could surely run a 10.5!!! He's that ****, isn't he?????? The BEST supposedly "bone stock" ZO 6 time I have ever seen in AZ is an 11.71.........oh, I forgot, Ranger would have had it in the 10's easy!!!
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That is Correct.
So sorry i misread the post.Totally my fault.
Kenneth Krieger
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Hey Joe......doing great! Going to Coronado Speed Fesitval this month in San Diego....otherwise SOS.....
jamie furman
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I swore I wouldn't get into these discussions on the viper board anymore and haven't been on the site in weeks but someone sent me to this thread and since Joe is a friend of mine I thought I would comment a little bit on the issue as Joe is one of the few realists on the board that really knows about drag racing. I think the time Evan Smith ran is excellent for the conditions but is far from any kind of real world record although it might be a publication record? I have seen many, many passes in a stock Z06 beat that et and expect to see other vipers do it as well if they haven't already. The facts are I did run a 10.98 in a bone stock Z06 on runflats and several 10 second runs in the same car the same day with drag radials, there were witnesses and video to prove it as well as being signed off by the track owner of Maryland International Raceway and the car has run many vette events with Ranger and others who have looked the car over and had equal success with the Z06. I don't think a magazine printing a story makes it real, or any more or less credible, and unless the car is given a thorough examination by experts and deemed to be bone stock, I would consider it no more valid than an owner on this board claiming his car is stock and offering it up for examination as I have. I would be more than happy ANYTIME to let anyone hook up a computer to my car and see if its ever had a tune or anything else done to it which would show up with a computer scan, as well as any visual check to see if bolts have been loosened or whatever anyone would want to check. That being said I do believe without the weather, (40degrees) I was racing in and it being a track rental with excellent traction that 10's on runflats would of been possible and even with DR's would of been tough to go 10's. I recently took the car out on a hot afternoon (86degrees) and raced at a track that was not prepped as well with Ranger as a matter of fact and both cars ran slow times imo, 11.6's and 11.7's most runs, with mph down condsiderbaly (124) in the heat and although I was able to run the best et that afternoon it was only an 11.42 at 125mph as the heat majorly drained hp. Its my opinion that the times and mph that Evan Smith ran in the Viper would lead me to believe the Viper is quicker and faster than the Z06 in similar conditions especially considering the high mph he ran. I recieved a call from Bill Pemberton on 9/22 that my ACR is ready and I should have it in my hands by next friday according to Bill. No offense to any other Viper owners but I believe shortly thereafter it will be in the 10's and will be the stock car record holder for et and mph for a factory production car and anyone that would like to inspect it before, during or after is more than welcome! Bill asked me if there was any performance enhancements I wanted done before shipping and I told him no that I wanted to see if I could set some records with the car in stock form, and I am sure he will back me up on that!
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jamie furman
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No he didn't! Only 1 car so far has run 10's on runflats and I was driving it, I race with Ranger all the time, call him and ask him.
Burntrubber
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well, glad you jumped in!
after reading all this do we really still argue over the same stuff, over and over again. GM made the Z06 faster, that pushed dodge to make the Viper faster, GM countered with the ZR1, dodge knows there is plenty left in the 8.4l wngine and just needs to "loosen" up the PCM to get more out of it.
same track same day obviously the GenIV is faster than the Z06 (comparable drivers
as far as the ZR1, i believe it has a lauch mode that allows for an aggressive lauch but the computer adjust the magenteic ride for more grip (its not a button to press but rather built in to the computer of the car).
that being said, I am more impressed with a driver that goes 11.3 in a viper than one that goes 11.2 in a ZR1...the driver IMO is a better "driver"...as far a which is faster as a car alone, mine would never stay stock so its not a concern.
PS I still think the latter C5 Z06 are great cars and there are great deals on them now.
my $.02 (or 1 share of bear sterns stock)
GL with the ACR Jamie...I for one would love to drive one
The cooler weather is definately having an effect on the times the 08s are running, in all probability when a 10 second pass on a stock car (stock tires )is finally achieved y guess it will be run in mid-late Oct in some sort of a private track session by Furman or Smith.
lankhoss
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You are right, and I stand corrected. I was trying to dig up the forums and was having a hard time since it's been a few years now. I remember him running 10.85 on DR's, and I thought a month or so later he ran a 10.9X on the runflats. I may have gotten his story mixed up with yours. Sorry for the confusion.
Above common mistake simply happens to all of us over time.Prime example why heresay not admitted in court.When i was at the track a few weeks ago a guy from Virgina was there swearing that his friend told him Rangers runs were on Stock tires.As time goes on and inturn goes from person to person it changes.Myself ,LOL i forget almost everything if is not written down.
