DodgeViper01
Enthusiast
Wow that is so sad to hear. RIP
Fatal crash in NJ................. 2006 Viper
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VENOMAHOLIC
Enthusiast
Give me a real rollbar before TC. My friend with modded 04 Z06 had trouble with his throttle by wire or something computer/sensor related on the expressway yesterday. Couldn't get it above 20 mph at all. Those are problems not found when there is a real throttle cable.
RIP to person and family.
RIP to person and family.
Dude, have you driven in Europe?? Drivers are trained for months, and forced to have a "trainee" tag on for the first year. Exam includes detiled mechanics, physics and real-life situtions. Avg ***** in Europe can outdrive 99% of us here.
Here in Miami nowadays to get your license, they test you IN THE PARKING LOT!!! How can we expect safe drivers who were issued licenses because they can drive around a lot in 1st gear?? It is just asking for a disaster.
While less important, traffic rules are more strict. No stuff hanging from your truck, ALWAYS signal turn or lane change w/ blinker or ticket, and no old clunkers on the road, there is a stringent mechanical yearly test to cars older than X years....
Overall makes for a way safer traffic flow.
A viper with traction control is about as thrilling as
bullfighting a cow.
bullfighting a cow.
Chuck 98 RT/10
Enthusiast
I've never been to Europe but the stat about the Autobahn is something 7 deaths/million miles (Europe) vs. 8/million (U.S.).
Not overly impressive IMO and considering most Europeans don't drive until they are in their twenties makes it even less so.
I'm willing to bet people drive like crap just about anywhere in the world.
Fred(DrivingSchool)Kinder
Enthusiast
This was a tragic accident. Hope the passenger recovers completely and condolences to the family and friends of the driver.
Vipers are fantastic cars with outstanding performance.
Drivers of all experience levels have accidents, just watch the professional races.
We must drive within our limits. This is where it get more difficult as most drivers think they know how to drive because they can afford a fast car and because they can press the go pedal to the floor and hold it until fear sets in, they slow down for an obstacle, they crash, or understand their limits, the cars limits and the limits of the road conditions.
Our region organizes a Skip Barber Viper specific Driving School every to help prevent accidents and at the same time improve the ownership driving experience. Having car control training and practice is a great tool to stay safe.
Lets encourage owners to learn how to drive and to practice performance driving at Viper Day's or other open track events that stress safety.
The Viper needs a diet and more muscle but No Electronic Nanny.
Vipers are fantastic cars with outstanding performance.
Drivers of all experience levels have accidents, just watch the professional races.
We must drive within our limits. This is where it get more difficult as most drivers think they know how to drive because they can afford a fast car and because they can press the go pedal to the floor and hold it until fear sets in, they slow down for an obstacle, they crash, or understand their limits, the cars limits and the limits of the road conditions.
Our region organizes a Skip Barber Viper specific Driving School every to help prevent accidents and at the same time improve the ownership driving experience. Having car control training and practice is a great tool to stay safe.
Lets encourage owners to learn how to drive and to practice performance driving at Viper Day's or other open track events that stress safety.
The Viper needs a diet and more muscle but No Electronic Nanny.
ViperArry
Enthusiast
Learning to drive on a parking lot?
You're kidding right?
When we start our driving lessons (at 18), on average we need some 35 or 40 lessons to learn to drive.
I won't say properly... because you only learn to drive when you drive a lot, and in a lot of traffic.
But receiving a license after 1 test? And then only 1 death per million miles more than in Germany.
I live close to the German border, and love to drive on their Autobahn, just because it's not so crowed as in Holland...... people can drive whatever speed they want..... and when you drive at +100 Mph (160Km/h) people are not as hurried as when they can only drive 75 max like in Holland.
But, at high speeds or less, you need to know what your car will do. If you don't you shouldn't drive it.
1 test isn't enough to teach this.
It's very sad to hear about any loss due to traffic accidents. So, please drive carefully!
You're kidding right?
When we start our driving lessons (at 18), on average we need some 35 or 40 lessons to learn to drive.
I won't say properly... because you only learn to drive when you drive a lot, and in a lot of traffic.
But receiving a license after 1 test? And then only 1 death per million miles more than in Germany.
I live close to the German border, and love to drive on their Autobahn, just because it's not so crowed as in Holland...... people can drive whatever speed they want..... and when you drive at +100 Mph (160Km/h) people are not as hurried as when they can only drive 75 max like in Holland.
But, at high speeds or less, you need to know what your car will do. If you don't you shouldn't drive it.
1 test isn't enough to teach this.
It's very sad to hear about any loss due to traffic accidents. So, please drive carefully!
Fred(DrivingSchool)Kinder
Enthusiast
Learning to drive on a parking lot?
You're kidding right?
When we start our driving lessons (at 18), on average we need some 35 or 40 lessons to learn to drive.
I won't say properly... because you only learn to drive when you drive a lot, and in a lot of traffic.
But receiving a license after 1 test? And then only 1 death per million miles more than in Germany.
I live close to the German border, and love to drive on their Autobahn, just because it's not so crowed as in Holland...... people can drive whatever speed they want..... and when you drive at +100 Mph (160Km/h) people are not as hurried as when they can only drive 75 max like in Holland.
But, at high speeds or less, you need to know what your car will do. If you don't you shouldn't drive it.
1 test isn't enough to teach this.
It's very sad to hear about any loss due to traffic accidents. So, please drive carefully!
Arjen,
Not exactly, it starts in a class room. Otherwise I am not kidding! Learning car control is a basic tool/skill of performance driving. Knowing how to correct a slide is different than being able to correct a slide.
FYI Skip Barber offers several on track programs, but first the basics of car control must be mastered. Seems like they want drivers to have some car control before trying to take on a track.
ViperArry
Enthusiast
I think people should take some sort of driving course when they buy any 400+ HP car.
Although our driving schools teached drivers in some 40 lessons how to drive.... control of the car like when in a slide wasn't originally part of the lessons.
Nowadays I think it's part of the program when you want to get a license.
Although our driving schools teached drivers in some 40 lessons how to drive.... control of the car like when in a slide wasn't originally part of the lessons.
Nowadays I think it's part of the program when you want to get a license.
Paul S Lacey
Enthusiast
Track time, training and seat time are the only way to go. Electronic aids just provide a bad driver with a false sense of security.
No kiddig about that!!! I am from Spain and I could not believe my eyes when I saw this. Spain has of course same demanding tests as the rest of the EU. So you would think that accidents rate would be 1/4 of the US?? well not.
I am not talking from research but experience, and common sense tells me that in Europe we drive too fast for the difficult roads, as opposed to the wide, big radius american roads.
Then again all of my US friends whom I take to Spain for vacation w/ me ask the same question.. How do these maniacs drive here so fast and don't crash?? At there speeds, with these streets/roads we'd have 10 times if not more accidents in the U.S......
Pick your poison... Easy roads with untrained drivers, or hard roads with trained drivers. Either one, I do not feel safe driving especially my bike.
Fred(DrivingSchool)Kinder
Enthusiast
Jose,
I will take a race track with experienced drivers. Have driven on the Autobahn and Autostrada where drivers are more aware and respectful of others cars. But we did see accidents and when they happen, it can be big.
Knowing nothing about the EU driver education system but sounds about as effective as that in the US. Most of US accidents involve young(16-21) drivers and or alcohol.
Accidents will continue to happen. But knowing your car control limits and the variables of car control can only help. Once drivers experience throttle oversteer as well as brake induced oversteer and learn how to recover they are less likely to add massive throttle while turning. And the will get most of the braking done before the turn. Understeer correction is counterintuitive for most drivers. The car is not turning so the natural response is to input more steering which makes the understeer worse. Practicing how to cause oversteer and understeer then recovering same is important to car control.
Braking is underestimated and misunderstood by most drivers. When applying brakes the most common mistake is to add brake gradually and when the rate of speed reduction is not achieved add more brake. It is now to late. When the cars speed needs to be reduced hit the brakes hard(but avoid wheel lock) and reduce brake as the car slows. Wheel lock is less of an issue for ABS equipped cars. For cars with ABS hit the brakes hard until safe speed has been achieved. In a SRT10 Viper also look in the rear view mirror as the car behind can not stop as fast as the Viper.
Looking where you want to go and about three to four seconds ahead of where you are is also critical to avoid accidents caused by erratic drivers in front of you, as well as being able to see road hazards in time to take evasive action.
Learning how and what causes loss of control and then to recover is the only way to master car control. I doubt any government sponsored driving school as they cost $$$. Tires are expensive as after one day of school need replaced.
I will take a race track with experienced drivers. Have driven on the Autobahn and Autostrada where drivers are more aware and respectful of others cars. But we did see accidents and when they happen, it can be big.
Knowing nothing about the EU driver education system but sounds about as effective as that in the US. Most of US accidents involve young(16-21) drivers and or alcohol.
Accidents will continue to happen. But knowing your car control limits and the variables of car control can only help. Once drivers experience throttle oversteer as well as brake induced oversteer and learn how to recover they are less likely to add massive throttle while turning. And the will get most of the braking done before the turn. Understeer correction is counterintuitive for most drivers. The car is not turning so the natural response is to input more steering which makes the understeer worse. Practicing how to cause oversteer and understeer then recovering same is important to car control.
Braking is underestimated and misunderstood by most drivers. When applying brakes the most common mistake is to add brake gradually and when the rate of speed reduction is not achieved add more brake. It is now to late. When the cars speed needs to be reduced hit the brakes hard(but avoid wheel lock) and reduce brake as the car slows. Wheel lock is less of an issue for ABS equipped cars. For cars with ABS hit the brakes hard until safe speed has been achieved. In a SRT10 Viper also look in the rear view mirror as the car behind can not stop as fast as the Viper.
Looking where you want to go and about three to four seconds ahead of where you are is also critical to avoid accidents caused by erratic drivers in front of you, as well as being able to see road hazards in time to take evasive action.
Learning how and what causes loss of control and then to recover is the only way to master car control. I doubt any government sponsored driving school as they cost $$$. Tires are expensive as after one day of school need replaced.
SweetRed04
Viper Owner
Convertibles were NEVER banned in the US.
There were few to no domestic convertibles between 1977 and when the Dodge LeBarron convertible appeared in the late mid to late 80's. Imported lines continued to offer the convertible option without a break.
There were few to no domestic convertibles between 1977 and when the Dodge LeBarron convertible appeared in the late mid to late 80's. Imported lines continued to offer the convertible option without a break.
