> From my DLM GTS to the SRT10 -Driving on the 20" wheels is kinda scary! <

[MannyC]

> From my DLM GTS to the SRT10 -Driving on the 20\" wheels is kinda scary! <

So, as many of you know, I bought a full set of chromed out HRE545R's in 20" sizes. The plan was to put it on my SRT10, but instead I had them on my RT10 to see what it would look like (you saw the pics... looked good!) and then put them on my DLM GTS. What I noticed in the DLM car was that it caught the grooves in the road a lot more and was just scary under braking, the few short times I drove the car and braked hard after some spirited runs up to about 120 MPH or so. However, the suspension on the DLM car is pretty soft, so it wasn't all too bad. My DLM car then started having problems a few months ago and then serious problems in September, and then finally broke down and has been undrivable ever since. So, instead of leaving the wheels on the DLM car which was sitting at a shop, I decided to finally pull them and put them on the SRT-10 which is what I bought them for in the first place. So I mounted them, and boy does the SRT-10 look pretty!

So today was the 1st time I actually got to really take the car out with the new wheels. Due to my schedule, I have only taken the car up to 50 mph or so driving it around locally around town (no freeway driving.) Today, I drove the freeway and got it to about 100 MPH (traffic was going about 85mph anyway.) It was a white knuckled drive on the freeway when I was in the fast lane and up against a concrete barrier wall. The tires on this thing would just pull from left to right on every single tiny groove in the road. I must have looked like a drunk driver to others -- seriously, a couple times I was pulled so hard the tires hit the reflectors on the lines separating the lanes. None of my other vehicles ever do or did this (Vette, Motorcyle, RT/10, GTS, etc.) I swear I was feeling grooves in the freeway that I did not know existed. I would be deathly afraid to do any high speed runs with these Pirelli tires on the 20" wheels. I assume this is all about the tires and not the actual wheel size, right? I have never run 20's before all the way around. Car looks good, but DAMN, I'm not sure about the car being pulled in every direction and having to have both hands on the steering wheel at all time. Freaked me out today, way more than when I was racing side by side with a motorcycle in my DLM GTS at 180+ MPH, which was VERY stable and straight on the 18" Pilot Sports.

Anybody have 20" wheels with similar experiences?

Manny

 

[SRTRICKY]

Re: > From my DLM GTS to the SRT10 -Driving on the 20

I have 22 inch wheels on my navigator and i tottaly felt a change in ride when going from stock rim/tire to 22'

 

[SylvanSRT]

Re: > From my DLM GTS to the SRT10 -Driving on the 20

there becomes much less rubber(cushion/bump absorber) than with the regular tires. look at F1` cars do they have tiny side walls? look at a lot of other race cars CART, INDY car, NASCAR, and with very few exceptions race cars do not run on tall, VERY low aspect ratio tires! Does this mean a car w/ these type of wheels and tires will not handle well? Not necessarily, but it probably means its cheaper and easier to get better handling out of a more conventional set up. My Miata's street tires are 15" lower aspect ratio tires will NOT handle as well as my 14" track set up even using the same tires(from personal experience) my .02

 

[GARY J]

Re: > From my DLM GTS to the SRT10 -Driving on the 20

I have no problems with my 20's. That sounds really weird. What problems did you have with your DLM car. You say it is undriveable, what happened. Please let me know. Thanks.

 

[MannyC]

Re: > From my DLM GTS to the SRT10 -Driving on the 20

I have no problems with my 20's. That sounds really weird. What problems did you have with your DLM car. You say it is undriveable, what happened. Please let me know. Thanks.

What tires are you running on your 20's ? I have two different types of Pirelli's on there (for rear and front.) Those were my only option at the time I bought the wheels.

As for the DLM car, I'm somewhat in a weird predicament. Seems like none of the tuner customers ever want to post anything negative about their car, since we all rely on that tuner to help out if there are any issues. Right now, my car has a multitude of issues I'm having WCV look into. Seems like one thing is fixed, only to find another. Doug has been really good to his customers, so I am guessing he'll take care of it one way or another, but the car is here in Cali and he is in Florida, so I have the car at West Coast Viper right now. Note that I am not saying this is a DLM issue -- the car ran great when I had it. The car has some major problems right now and I am trying to find out what caused them. Doug has been in communication with WCV, spending his time to help out another tuner. I need to call Doug later today.

I'll post the complete report at a later time after the car is fixed and everything is looked at. When I get it back, it should be better and badder than ever, with new kill videos to follow.

Manny

 

[VIPER D]

Re: > From my DLM GTS to the SRT10 -Driving on the 20

Manny thanks for sharing the info. I am in the process of getting new rims. From what I have learned is that the gen 1 &amp; 2's have the same size front's and rears. All gen 3's need to have a taller rear tire size. (factory setting)
Unless you have suspension work its not a good idea to do 20's in all 4's



vd..

 

[VIPER D]

Re: > From my DLM GTS to the SRT10 -Driving on the 20

p.s


please post a pick up of your 20's on the srt.

thanks
vd..

 

[GARY J]

Re: > From my DLM GTS to the SRT10 -Driving on the 20

Manny,
I have the 345's on the rear and the 265's on the front. They are both the red labels.

As far as the other "issue", I have been around here for over three years now, and your situation seems to be pretty common. I have talked to two other people in the past with similar problems. There seems to be an underlying issue that the people "in the know" are all very aware of, but no one wants to face. I'm sorry you are having problems with your car. I can only imagine how aggrivating that must be. I hope everything works out well for you.

BTW I am also glad you're robbery situation went well.

Gary

 

[Gerald]

Re: > From my DLM GTS to the SRT10 -Driving on the 20

 

[Fishtail]

Re: > From my DLM GTS to the SRT10 -Driving on the 20

Manny,
I have the 345's on the rear and the 265's on the front. They are both the red labels.

As far as the other "issue", I have been around here for over three years now, and your situation seems to be pretty common. I have talked to two other people in the past with similar problems. There seems to be an underlying issue that the people "in the know" are all very aware of, but no one wants to face. I'm sorry you are having problems with your car. I can only imagine how aggrivating that must be. I hope everything works out well for you.

BTW I am also glad you're robbery situation went well.

Gary

So nice of you to offer comfort by playing one against another

-Lou

 

[GARY J]

Re: > From my DLM GTS to the SRT10 -Driving on the 20

"So nice of you to offer comfort by playing one against another."

Lou,
Who the f*ck are you coming on here saying that to me. You don't know me. Who am I playing against who? Don't get my ass started. I'll blow the lid off of this whole situation!! You act like I am the problem here! Give me a f*cking break!!

 

[DynoDaddy]

Re: > From my DLM GTS to the SRT10 -Driving on the 20

I drove an 02 Viper with 20" HRE's on all 4 corners for a day. It has 345 and 285 PZero's. THe car has been at the suspension shop being tweaked for about 2 days before they were happy with the car. With the lowered 2" springs it drove/rode exceptionally well. I might be willing to say better than any other viper I have been in. I took it in excess of 125 several times.

 

[Torquemonster]

Re: > From my DLM GTS to the SRT10 -Driving on the 20

re the power drop - if I didn't know better I'd say that someone bumped the console water/methanol injection switch to OFF not knowing what it was for...

course they'd NEVER admit it....

with that switch off - it's gonna poop

I've seen the DLM water/methanol injection setup - it's a main vein and that jet would not have blocked unless you ran mud in it

 

[Fishtail]

Re: > From my DLM GTS to the SRT10 -Driving on the 20

"So nice of you to offer comfort by playing one against another."

Lou,
Who the f*ck are you coming on here saying that to me. You don't know me. Who am I playing against who? Don't get my ass started. I'll blow the lid off of this whole situation!! You act like I am the problem here! Give me a f*cking break!!

I beg your pardon Javo but I don't care who you are !!!

-Lou

 

[GARY J]

Re: > From my DLM GTS to the SRT10 -Driving on the 20

"I beg your pardon Javo..."

You can beg all you want but you are not going to get anything from me. Oh, and I don't care if you don't care who I am. As a matter of fact I don't care who you are either!!

 

[GARY J]

Re: > From my DLM GTS to the SRT10 -Driving on the 20

And don't roll your eyes at me either...

How long was the turn around time on your supercharger??
I was just wondering. From the time you dropped off the car until you picked it up?

 

[MannyC]

Re: > From my DLM GTS to the SRT10 -Driving on the 20

re the power drop - if I didn't know better I'd say that someone bumped the console water/methanol injection switch to OFF not knowing what it was for...

course they'd NEVER admit it....

with that switch off - it's gonna poop

I've seen the DLM water/methanol injection setup - it's a main vein and that jet would not have blocked unless you ran mud in it

Well, I'm told by WCV that it wasn't turned off but was clogged and many of these issues could have started with the boost vacuum line that came undone (I think that is what he called it.) This came from John Horton, the owner of WCV. I dunno what to think. All I know is my car is dead right now and I have WCV working on the car and DLM working with WCV to make sure everything is fixed. Hopefully I have this bad boy running again within the next couple of weeks.

BTW, I really like both Doug Levin and John Horton. Unfortunately, with these high horsepower cars, if one critical thing fails, it can cause a series of disasters. In my case, something caused the car to go real lean. Whether that was a line that came loose, the methynol getting turned off or clogged up, or something else, I dunno.

Manny

 

[Brian E]

Re: > From my DLM GTS to the SRT10 -Driving on the 20

Manny, how about some pictures of the SRT-10 with the 20s?

 

[VIPER D]

Re: > From my DLM GTS to the SRT10 -Driving on the 20

MANNY I have a wideband in my srt for this reason.

vd..


and wasssss up with da pics bro!!!!!!!!;&gt;

vd..

 

[Fishtail]

Re: > From my DLM GTS to the SRT10 -Driving on the 20

re the power drop - if I didn't know better I'd say that someone bumped the console water/methanol injection switch to OFF not knowing what it was for...

course they'd NEVER admit it....

with that switch off - it's gonna poop

I've seen the DLM water/methanol injection setup - it's a main vein and that jet would not have blocked unless you ran mud in it

Well, I'm told by WCV that it wasn't turned off but was clogged and many of these issues could have started with the boost vacuum line that came undone (I think that is what he called it.) This came from John Horton, the owner of WCV. I dunno what to think. All I know is my car is dead right now and I have WCV working on the car and DLM working with WCV to make sure everything is fixed. Hopefully I have this bad boy running again within the next couple of weeks.

BTW, I really like both Doug Levin and John Horton. Unfortunately, with these high horsepower cars, if one critical thing fails, it can cause a series of disasters. In my case, something caused the car to go real lean. Whether that was a line that came loose, the methynol getting turned off or clogged up, or something else, I dunno.

Manny

Manny,
Sorry but I call B.S.
Why not have John from WCV explain to us how the water injection was clogged with a 100+ psi pump and two nozzles? John told Doug Levin that somebody there at WCV had shut it off but he wasn't sure why?! All the time they were running the piss out of the car while it was at 18:1 a/f because of an injector clip they left off when they changed the belt!!!
IMHO, I would suggest finding an honest ~ competent tuner to service your car and not a partschanger!

-Lou

 

[MannyC]

Re: > From my DLM GTS to the SRT10 -Driving on the 20

Manny, how about some pictures of the SRT-10 with the 20s?

I dont have my camera here. I will take some photos this weekend and post. Car needs to be lowered, but otherwise it looks good.

-Manny

 

[Paul Hawker]

Re: > From my DLM GTS to the SRT10 -Driving on the 20

Manny.
Regarding your car's hunting. I just had my SRT into Cragins. I had always been concerned with the stock car's dartiness. He drove it, and upon inspection he noticed one tie rod was out of spec. He replaced it, and the car is now rock solid. Worth looking into.

 

[Gerald]

Re: > From my DLM GTS to the SRT10 -Driving on the 20

re the power drop - if I didn't know better I'd say that someone bumped the console water/methanol injection switch to OFF not knowing what it was for...

course they'd NEVER admit it....

with that switch off - it's gonna poop

I've seen the DLM water/methanol injection setup - it's a main vein and that jet would not have blocked unless you ran mud in it

Well, I'm told by WCV that it wasn't turned off but was clogged and many of these issues could have started with the boost vacuum line that came undone (I think that is what he called it.) This came from John Horton, the owner of WCV. I dunno what to think. All I know is my car is dead right now and I have WCV working on the car and DLM working with WCV to make sure everything is fixed. Hopefully I have this bad boy running again within the next couple of weeks.

BTW, I really like both Doug Levin and John Horton. Unfortunately, with these high horsepower cars, if one critical thing fails, it can cause a series of disasters. In my case, something caused the car to go real lean. Whether that was a line that came loose, the methynol getting turned off or clogged up, or something else, I dunno.

Manny

Manny,
Sorry but I call B.S.
Why not have John from WCV explain to us how the water injection was clogged with a 100+ psi pump and two nozzles? John told Doug Levin that somebody there at WCV had shut it off but he wasn't sure why?! All the time they were running the piss out of the car while it was at 18:1 a/f because of an injector clip they left off when they changed the belt!!!
IMHO, I would suggest finding an honest ~ competent tuner to service your car and not a partschanger!

-Lou

I just saw what this thread turned into.... Manny's a good bud of mine and unfortunatley would love to know more about engines / diagnosing. Gary your attitude ***** and you don't know poo poo

Manny's car was running lean on ONLY one side of the engine. WCV could not find the problem, but kept boosting and dyno'ing the car WITH THE CLIPS OFF. I think we can all agree injector clips do not FALL OFF OR VIBRATE OFF. When his belt was changed the clips were taken off to move the tubing and not put on. It's pretty obvious. It's sad how someone else was blamed. Fuel also acts as a coolant so something gave away. Also they FORGOT they told Doug they didnt' know what that switch on the water injection was for they flipped... BUT, then later said they squirted brake cleaner in it to free it up. :lol: :lol: I think a marble would have to be dropped in it or cement mix to clog that puppy up w/ 2 nozzles and 100 PSI....

. After 10 mins on the phone with DLM the prob was found and was admitted but NOT to Manny.... Hang in there bud!

I would strongly agree with Lou.


Gerald

 

[GARY J]

Re: > From my DLM GTS to the SRT10 -Driving on the 20

"Gary your attitude ***** and you don't know poo poo "

Gerald,
Are you going to be racing that slow POS of yours at the event? Keep it up and we will have to thumb wrestle over this. The means we are just bustin' balls, but there are some serious issues that concern me. I'm looking forward to meeting you guys in person in Bradenton. See you then.

The reason I ask questions is because I am trying to get to the truth. I believe this forum should be about the truth so that people can make educated decisions based on facts. If someone is having a problem with a tuner and I am considering sending my car to that tuner I want to know about it.

Back when Henn essey was having problems no one wanted to talk about it. Since everyone ignored the problem, I'm sure some folks got taken because they didn't know about the trouble he was going through. I'm in no way trying to compare H's problems with any other tuner. What I am saying is that I think some folks try to antimidate people into keeping their mouth shut, and I don't think that's right.

We should be able to talk about the bad with the good. For example, if a shop were in the habit of keeping customers cars for a really long time, I want to know about it before I take my car there. I CAN PROMISE YOU when I build my car, if I run into any problems that are out of control, every member of this forum will know about it. People have to understand also that just because one person has a perfect experience doesn't mean that everyone has that same great experience.

 

[MannyC]

Re: > From my DLM GTS to the SRT10 -Driving on the 20

re the power drop - if I didn't know better I'd say that someone bumped the console water/methanol injection switch to OFF not knowing what it was for...

course they'd NEVER admit it....

with that switch off - it's gonna poop

I've seen the DLM water/methanol injection setup - it's a main vein and that jet would not have blocked unless you ran mud in it

Well, I'm told by WCV that it wasn't turned off but was clogged and many of these issues could have started with the boost vacuum line that came undone (I think that is what he called it.) This came from John Horton, the owner of WCV. I dunno what to think. All I know is my car is dead right now and I have WCV working on the car and DLM working with WCV to make sure everything is fixed. Hopefully I have this bad boy running again within the next couple of weeks.

BTW, I really like both Doug Levin and John Horton. Unfortunately, with these high horsepower cars, if one critical thing fails, it can cause a series of disasters. In my case, something caused the car to go real lean. Whether that was a line that came loose, the methynol getting turned off or clogged up, or something else, I dunno.

Manny

Manny,
Sorry but I call B.S.
Why not have John from WCV explain to us how the water injection was clogged with a 100+ psi pump and two nozzles? John told Doug Levin that somebody there at WCV had shut it off but he wasn't sure why?! All the time they were running the piss out of the car while it was at 18:1 a/f because of an injector clip they left off when they changed the belt!!!
IMHO, I would suggest finding an honest ~ competent tuner to service your car and not a partschanger!

-Lou

I just saw what this thread turned into.... Manny's a good bud of mine and unfortunatley would love to know more about engines / diagnosing.
Manny's car was running lean on ONLY one side of the engine. WCV could not find the problem, but kept boosting and dyno'ing the car WITH THE CLIPS OFF. I think we can all agree injector clips do not FALL OFF OR VIBRATE OFF. When his belt was changed the clips were taken off to move the tubing and not put on. It's pretty obvious. It's sad how someone else was blamed. Fuel also acts as a coolant so something gave away. Also they FORGOT they told Doug they didnt' know what that switch on the water injection was for they flipped... BUT, then later said they squirted brake cleaner in it to free it up. :lol: :lol: I think a marble would have to be dropped in it or cement mix to clog that puppy up w/ 2 nozzles and 100 PSI....

. After 10 mins on the phone with DLM the prob was found and was admitted but NOT to Manny.... Hang in there bud!

I would strongly agree with Lou.


Gerald

Seems like people are posting what they hear from Doug, and that's great. Thanks for the help guys. To be fair, I am not even sure that John Horton (West Coast Viper) comes on here, so here is his side of what happened. Best to hear what the other side has to say as well:

"I never told Doug anything that he is talking about. First thing that came off was your boost reference line under your brake booster to your methanol and aux injector driver box. Next, going through this, Doug was having me test a number of things, so I was just going through what he wanted me to do. I act on How I want to be treated and act accordingly. Going through the wiring I found the main power wire for the methanol holding on by a couple of wires, Told Doug about it so I fixed it. Then supplied boost to the the methanol signal line and found it was coming on at 8 psi and should be coming on at 4. Adjusted accordingly to fix. Good. Next thing I Did was start Dynoing and with the wide band plugged in the tail pipe when boost would come in it was 9 to 1 A/F . Next put wide band in the other tailpipe and under boost it was 17 to 1 A/F. I spoke to Doug again and he said to check the injector wires. I found the Left bank Aux injector wires and found one of the pins to the injector connector was pushed back inside the loom. In my opinion it was never snapped in all the way(common problem) and with all the hands and running of the engine it could have backed its way out of the connector. That's what happened."

 

[VIPER D]

Re: > From my DLM GTS to the SRT10 -Driving on the 20

what about the pics of the wheels dude!!!!!!


vd

 

[MannyC]

Re: > From my DLM GTS to the SRT10 -Driving on the 20

Won't have pics until later in the week. Still dont have my camera. I promise as soon as it gets here, I will take some photos and post. My old camera is unavailable right now.

-Manny