FS: Mopar Performance PCM - 2008 Convertible

ACRucrazy

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It's posted in the classifieds, just waiting on approval.

I bought this from a member over the winter who had a 2008 convertible. Per SRT Engineers reply today, installing a used PCM is not an issue, however the used PCMs need to stay in the same vehicle type for the window drop feature to work properly.
Convertible -> Convertible
Coupe -> Coupe

So it looks like I will be selling this one and ordering a PCM from the dealer after I get the car out of storage if the car doesn't sell by then.
Thanks!
 
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You are correct, that's what is pictured in the ad, I just typed it wrong in my reply. Thanks.
 

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Bcm controls the window drop not the ecm. And I was told that once mopar ecm has been programmed to a car it only works on that car and cant be programmed to a diff car
 

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Bcm controls the window drop not the ecm. And I was told that once mopar ecm has been programmed to a car it only works on that car and cant be programmed to a diff car

I believe a new vin can't be flashed so the milage would then be inncorrect which might cause problems for warrenty and selling later.
 
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To clarify.

VIN in the PCM can only be flashed once. Because of this the car type cant be changed. So if its flashed for a convertible, it stays as one. Because of this the PCM "talks" to the other modules differently as if it were a coupe.

A used PCM can be installed and relearned in a new car. This is not an issue at all. The mileage on the odometer does not change. The only thing is the VIN can't be changed in the PCM. The mileage reading displayed on the odometer and what is stored in the PCM won't match. This would be the case if you were to buy the PCM new at the dealer, install it, remove it a while later and install your original PCM. Again, the odometer reading will not change, just what it says on the odometer and what it says in the PCM will be different.

PER SRT yesterday:

There are really 4 major things learned by the Mopar PCM in order to operate your vehicle correctly.

First the VIN... The VIN tells many modules in your car how to operate correctly. The Door glass drop for example won't work correctly if the VIN says its a coupe, and you put it in a convertible (or vice versa). The VIN is only allowed to be programmed once via the dealers tools (for various reasons of security, etc).

Second, the throttle learn - This is an important function of the PCM to learn the nuances of the two throttle on your particular engine.

Third, the pedal learn - This is also important for the same reasons as the throttle, it is part of the By-Wire security to make sure that all sensors involved with your foot getting to the throttles are in check. There are small differences between all such sensors, and it could be possible to have limp-outs if you start mixing and matching.

Fourth -> Misfire TEC learn - This is a critical learn that detects small differences in the way a particular engine rotates, and how that rotation is detected... the crank targets are machined into every crank individually and somewhat uniquely. This learn matches the crank to a PCM.

The last three learns can all be re-done to match a PCM to a given engine via the dealer tool (Starscan / WiTech), but the VIN would remain an issue. Not a big issue as long as you go coupe->coupe or convertible->convertible. The last issue is tracking odometer... you are likely to loose your tracking odometer as proof of your main odometer with all of this swapping around. There is no change to TPMS (that is a different module). Keep in mind that this is an off-road use only part, it will not past state emissions tests... it also only provides gains in conjunction with other parts (headers, porting, exhaust changes). It also needs the best unleaded fuel possible, or the knock system may even reduce power in an effort to keep your engine safe.

Personally myself, I would have no issue buying another used Mopar PCM, however I would have to know its was programmed for a coupe originally. I am not afraid of reprogramming one. I wish that rumor would die. (If anyone has a used coupe Mopar Performance PCM, hit me up!) I am all for saving a few hundred bucks!
 
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This is the first time ive ever seen this info posted. I'm glad to finally know how this whole venom controller programming thing works. Darn I need a coupe one too
 
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I know right. Now I just need someone with a convertible to ****** this one.
Would rather just swap for a coupe one, but I know the chances of that happening are next to nothing, so I will probably have to shell out the 1100-1200 for a new one :/
 
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