Gen 1 (1994) Rt/10 Nitrous / propane / gas questions

[MannyC]

OK, been reading the archives and still have some questions about Nitrous kits:

1) On a stock Gen 1 motor (1994 RT/10 to be exact) what kind of wet system shot (n/g/p/) is considered to be in the safe range? 150, 175, 200, or more HP ? The car has basic mods (exhaust and intake.) Otherwise, it is stock.

2) Being that I live in San Diego and the weather is 65 to 80 degrees year around, how important are heaters for the NOS or the propane bottle?

3) Should anything be changed on the car when the kit is added (plugs, etc.) ?

4) If this stuff is in your trunk and you get rear ended by somebody, are you potentially in deep trouble, where you might otherwise be OK if the bottles were not there?

5) What about the RT/10 spare tire? Does this get removed when adding such a system? I have read that the spare on the RT/10's actually act as part of the crash system on the car in case you get rear ended. What to do here?

6) Anybody know of any shops in/near San Diego that can Dyno this when all installed to make sure all is set up just right? Is this recommended? I read a lot of posts that one should do this, yet have heard from others that it's a simple install and off you go.

The following site says that it's dual stage nitrous system can be bolted on to your stock engine with no ill effects, and give you 300+ Rear Wheel HP. http://btrviper.com/nitrous.html What do you think of this claim?

I'm a newbie when it comes to this stuff, so any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Manny

 

[TOOOFST]

BTR(TOP GUN TOM)Has Vipernational proven systems.I'd start with a 125RW shot.Your motor (fuel)system will handle at least 175RW.150RW could get you high 10's.You shouldn't have to remove your spare.Reguardless of which NOS set up,buy my TOOFAST NOS bracket for the mounting,and VEC-1 for fine tweaking.Consider buying a nitrous filling station. :

 

[MannyC]

Toofast NOS bracket? More info, please.

 

[TOOOFST]

Used to be able to click on Avatar to enlarge.The Bracket is simply Two 3" aluminum tubes welded to 3" plate,brush or mirror polished.You can mount your solinoids to the plate and Nos and gas nozzles thread into the tubes.This makes for fast install/removal and jet changes.It's looks killer.You'll go as fast as a high dollar supercharger and look just as mean.Best part,you'll can take it off with your armani suit on in before heading to the dealer.Nothing like a race car with a warranty.Shoosh.
$175shiped.I'll send you e-mail pics monday.
Scott

 

[jp]

1) On a stock Gen 1 motor (1994 RT/10 to be exact) what kind of wet system shot (n/g/p/) is considered to be in the safe range? 150, 175, 200, or more HP ? The car has basic mods (exhaust and intake.) Otherwise, it is stock.
-->The NOS system, the BTR system, the NX etc are all safe. 100-250 is not a problem as long you have done it the right way.

2) Being that I live in San Diego and the weather is 65 to 80 degrees year around, how important are heaters for the NOS or the propane bottle?
--> If you want consistency in the performance is a bottle heater and blanket the way to go.

3) Should anything be changed on the car when the kit is added (plugs, etc.) ?
--> On a Gen1 would I use NGK ZFR6-II, or Bosch Race (don't remeber the # we use right now) plugs.

4) If this stuff is in your trunk and you get rear ended by somebody, are you potentially in deep trouble, where you might otherwise be OK if the bottles were not there?
--> Potentially in big trouble...YES!

5) What about the RT/10 spare tire? Does this get removed when adding such a system? I have read that the spare on the RT/10's actually act as part of the crash system on the car in case you get rear ended. What to do here?
--> You can keep the tire if you modify the bottle, but then you have to fill the bottle more often.

6) Anybody know of any shops in/near San Diego that can Dyno this when all installed to make sure all is set up just right? Is this recommended? I read a lot of posts that one should do this, yet have heard from others that it's a simple install and off you go.
--> ?

The following site says that it's dual stage nitrous system can be bolted on to your stock engine with no ill effects, and give you 300+ Rear Wheel HP. http://btrviper.com/nitrous.html What do you think of this claim?
--> Tom´s system is a good choice.

I'm a newbie when it comes to this stuff, so any help would be appreciated.
--> Upgrade your half shafts...!

 

[MannyC]

Thanks JP. What would you or others recommend for a 1994 RT/10 in terms of a half shaft upgrade? What will this set me back?

By the way, I don't plan on dragging the car -- the system would be used occasionally against other sports cars during normal driving (rolling starts more than likely.) I have my newer Z06 for the track and road coursing.

 

[Tom Welch]

superbar,

JP and Toof, have covered most of the bases here. Keep in mind that all of our systems are adjustable in power, so that you can tune it to your liking.

The bottle heaters have an 85 degree thermostat switch which keeps NOS bottle pressure at about 900 psi. During southern Cal summers, you won't use it much. For early morning romps and winter months the heaters will help with consistancy. Remember that the trunk compartment will naturaly remain warmer during the daylight hours due to radiant heat.

As for the stock engine internals, so long as your air fuel ratios are kept within the guidelines that we set with our jetting calibrations, you should never have an issue with your engine internals. Keep in mind that any modification if misued or abused can be detrimental to engine longevity. With over 400 of these kits in Vipers throughout the US, Canada, Japan and Europe, we have never heard of a customer engine developing damage from one of our systems. Drivetrain parts is another story...I suggest you beef up the drivetrain should you consider more serious racing other than rolling starts.

Best of luck.

Tom

 

[Snake Bitten]

By the way, I don't plan on dragging the car --

This is a good theory on paper...We all know it's inevitable...Don't we...

 

[MannyC]

I have actually been to drag events with my friend (takes his Porsche) and they just don't do much for me, so I really do believe I will not dragstrip this car. I do, on the other hand, LOOOOVE to road course. I've only been 3 times with my Z06 so far, and I don't think I'll take the Viper but maybe once, just to see what she can do (will continue to use the vette for the track events.)

So the NOS setup is mainly for those egotistical moments when some hot shot is revving up next to me while on the freeway and my girl looks over at me and says, "smoke him." Been there, done that, in the Z06 - she and I both love it, even though it has only happened a few times, generally on a Saturday night on our way back home from some outting.

 

[MannyC]

Tom,

I'm actually purchasing one of your systems. So would you say a 200HP shot is fine on the stock 400HP motor? Again, the car just has intake and exhaust mods. Since I won't be dragging the car, from what I have read in the archives, I am going to skip on getting a HD Half Shaft upgrade.

superbar,

JP and Toof, have covered most of the bases here. Keep in mind that all of our systems are adjustable in power, so that you can tune it to your liking.

The bottle heaters have an 85 degree thermostat switch which keeps NOS bottle pressure at about 900 psi. During southern Cal summers, you won't use it much. For early morning romps and winter months the heaters will help with consistancy. Remember that the trunk compartment will naturaly remain warmer during the daylight hours due to radiant heat.

As for the stock engine internals, so long as your air fuel ratios are kept within the guidelines that we set with our jetting calibrations, you should never have an issue with your engine internals. Keep in mind that any modification if misued or abused can be detrimental to engine longevity. With over 400 of these kits in Vipers throughout the US, Canada, Japan and Europe, we have never heard of a customer engine developing damage from one of our systems. Drivetrain parts is another story...I suggest you beef up the drivetrain should you consider more serious racing other than rolling starts.

Best of luck.

Tom

 

[Tom Welch]

superbar,

Whenever I do an installation I dyno the car as a back up to our jetting calibrations to insure proper air fuel ratios on each particular Viper.

I suggest you dyno with a wide band o2 device and set power numbers accordingly.

Tom

 

[MannyC]

Do you know of any Dyno shops near San Diego (Escondido area is where I am at -- North County, they call it.)