shooter_t1
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That's funnier than h*ll. You are comparing your nannied up Caddy to a Viper ACR on the street?. lol
Gen 5 mandated nannies
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That's funnier than h*ll. You are comparing your nannied up Caddy to a Viper ACR on the street?. lol
It's the "oppressive liberty-stifling unethical, lying, greedy ****" programmers that allow for the existence of the "black boxes" and the programming needed to make nannytech work. Just saying. LOL.
eucharistos
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a real man, or as you say "internet warrior", would boldly insult the followers of Muhammad instead of the followers of Jesus
Chuck 98 RT/10
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True. There should be a law...
viperdrummer
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Now, Chuck, some of your best friends here are greedy, lying lawyers.
As one who has DEFENDED car companies as well as many other types of product manufacturers, let me say I have almost seen it all in virtually every state in the country. I can remember defending cars for lack of airbags (showing my age)I will say that with all the ridiculous along the way (8 figure verdicts etc) the fact is cars are a LOT safer than they used to be and if you have kids that should make you feel a lot better. People now survive accidents they never would have even 15 years ago.
Now, if would be great if we could separate out exotics and take out the nannies but the fact is for all their swagger ,guys with sports cars have rung up some of the biggest verdicts when they had accidents. Overall, the good news is places like Alabama and Texas which I used to hate going into have much more sensible approach to product liability and the run away verdicts are getting less and less. Also the added safety devices not only save lives but decrease litigation.
It ain't perfect yet and never will be but I feel a lot safer driving a Gen 4 Viper than my dad's 57 t-bird. Regards, **** sucking lawyer (but not politician)
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fqberful
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The "programmers" only do what they are directed to do by their employer. Still goes back to the dirt bags that think they know better about how to run our lives than we do. Big govt asshats that think the nanny state with its nanny tech is best for us. Chuck has it 100% correct.
Shooter T1: I am using my "nannied up Caddy" as a general example. Any 500+ RWD car w/o nannies is a challenge to drive safely on the street w/o being very careful. I just don't get to enjoy the Viper as much on the street because it is so easy to make a simple mistake and get in trouble. Viper is great on the track where mistakes are sometimes more forgiving. I don't track the CTS-V, although I have seen several there and they are pretty competent track cars. I have enough sense that I would not make a literal comparison between the two cars.
viperdrummer
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Man, it has certainly not been my experience that mistakes are more forgiving on a racetrack--just the opposite, but maybe that's just me. I do not find any Viper including an ACR dangerous on the street (a Gen 1 is close)
I also have a V Caddy (CTS and XLR) --you can make some comparisons between a Viper and V. If you haven't driven a V you should--a very deceptive rocket.
I also have a V Caddy (CTS and XLR) --you can make some comparisons between a Viper and V. If you haven't driven a V you should--a very deceptive rocket.
I understand what you are saying, but it almost sounds like you are fearful of the car.
I've had four Vipers since 2004, enjoy a lot of street "spirited" driving and have never come close to an accident or mishap. (knock wood)
Including two Gen 2 GTS's with God awful brakes.
I think I'm a pretty good driver, but also have put a lot of miles in on Vipers as well. I feel very confident behind the wheel.
Maybe you just need to drive it more on the street?
For those of you who haven't experienced the joy of having the company you work for being sued, I suggest you try it. Then get back to me. Every year crazier and crazier stuff gets heard. Things that were normally thrown out are now being entertained. It's only getting worse. We have the worst conflict of interest possible. Lawyers making laws that support their largely artificial job market.
My point is it's only a matter of time before this type of evidence does become admissible in court. Lawyers are out of control and out of their damn minds. It's legalized extortion. I have found that the defense, prosecution, and judges are often all friends, have drinks and dinner together. The only hope is to make lawyers and their defendants who file frivolous lawsuits subject to counter-suits. That is, a lawyer filing a ridiculous case could he himself be sued.
Regardless, I feel the nannies will not make the roads safer. They might make them more dangerous thanks to the "superman effect". That is where a driver things he is invincible thanks to the stability and traction control. Time will tell. Rant over.
My point is it's only a matter of time before this type of evidence does become admissible in court. Lawyers are out of control and out of their damn minds. It's legalized extortion. I have found that the defense, prosecution, and judges are often all friends, have drinks and dinner together. The only hope is to make lawyers and their defendants who file frivolous lawsuits subject to counter-suits. That is, a lawyer filing a ridiculous case could he himself be sued.
Regardless, I feel the nannies will not make the roads safer. They might make them more dangerous thanks to the "superman effect". That is where a driver things he is invincible thanks to the stability and traction control. Time will tell. Rant over.
viperdrummer: I said track mistakes are "sometimes" more foregiving. What I mean is that tracks often have runoff room so if you make a mistake, you don't run into a ditch, tree, mailbox, pedestrian, etc. There are obviously areas of tracks or situations that are not foregiving. You also usually have your tires operating at or near optimum temp on track where street may never get to proper temp.
Vipers are similar to guns. In the proper hands/environments niether is dangerous. Add an inexperienced operator/poor environment and both are dangerous. I see an aweful lot of wrecked/totaled Vipers, probably a much higher percentage than other cars, especially comparable cars with nannies. I let my 18 year old son drive my Caddy (occasionally) but he has never driven the Viper, and I have had him through a very good DD school. Just don't want to take the risk of a simple mistake becoming catastrophic.
My biggest example is if you let someone drive your Viper and they decide to "floor it" they likely will get in trouble. They decide to "floor it" in the Caddy and the nannie corrects the stupidity of the operator. My opinion is that in and of itself a nannied vehicle is safer than a non-nannied. Kinda like handing a loaded gun with NO safety to an 18 year old. Probably not a good idea. Nothing is a substitute for an educated/skilled driver and common sense. Problem is, there are not enough of these around.
Vipers are similar to guns. In the proper hands/environments niether is dangerous. Add an inexperienced operator/poor environment and both are dangerous. I see an aweful lot of wrecked/totaled Vipers, probably a much higher percentage than other cars, especially comparable cars with nannies. I let my 18 year old son drive my Caddy (occasionally) but he has never driven the Viper, and I have had him through a very good DD school. Just don't want to take the risk of a simple mistake becoming catastrophic.
My biggest example is if you let someone drive your Viper and they decide to "floor it" they likely will get in trouble. They decide to "floor it" in the Caddy and the nannie corrects the stupidity of the operator. My opinion is that in and of itself a nannied vehicle is safer than a non-nannied. Kinda like handing a loaded gun with NO safety to an 18 year old. Probably not a good idea. Nothing is a substitute for an educated/skilled driver and common sense. Problem is, there are not enough of these around.
Paul Hawker
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Maybe next Gen will have an "owners key" and a "valet key" with different capabilities for each.
MoparMan
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I agree that might be a good idea, but NEVER let a valet drive your Viper anyway.
You are a little late to the party. Chuck and I have been kidding each other on various threads for a number of years. You are right. The nannytech programmers are only gutless, unprincipled code hookers who use excuses like "I was only following orders". I stand corrected. LOL.
I'd say cars have improved a little bit over time: nannies vs no nannies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joMK1WZjP7g
malcoll
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Why do people always have to beat up the insurance company.... they're just out to make a profit....who here owns a business with a model to lose money?
On the claim when Nannies are off...... your collision claim would not be impacted by turning off the nannies.....unless your policy has language in it about the nannies.....read your insurance policy. Liability...that might be different....but I doubt it...if it's a device that can be turned off...then you would not be liable for turning it off....but if you do something stupid.... the attorneys will find out and make you bend over.......
On the claim when Nannies are off...... your collision claim would not be impacted by turning off the nannies.....unless your policy has language in it about the nannies.....read your insurance policy. Liability...that might be different....but I doubt it...if it's a device that can be turned off...then you would not be liable for turning it off....but if you do something stupid.... the attorneys will find out and make you bend over.......
Chuck 98 RT/10
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My friends who happen to be in that greedy, scummy, liberty-oppressing profession realize that it is in fact, a greedy, scummy, liberty-oppressing profession. The ones who don't realize it I only pretend to be friends with.
Chuck 98 RT/10
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Don't use my name and "hookers" in the same post regardless of context. There are legalities I can't comment on right now, but please refrain and desist.
