Fatboy 18
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COOR, NOT SEEN THAT PIC BEFORE, I want one of those
GEN V Viper picture at VOI 11....
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VENOMAHOLIC
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Bingo... I think it is great that those that made the trip to VOI were awarded with a sneak preview. Remember that at a previois VOI, the Gen III Coupe was shown as a sneak preview and the designers actually did listen to the owners and improved the rear end anomg other things.
crazyspeed
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COOR, NOT SEEN THAT PIC BEFORE, I want one of those
Can someone photoshop this into a red color for me? I likey
Next Phase
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kcobean
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You guys don't get it. This isn't about what's logical or real or fair or anything like that. I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir when I say that we have THE BEST relationship with the manufacturer of any car club in the world. We have unprecedented access to the inner workings of the SRT program. We have people like The Grailkeeper asking us owners "what needs to be fixed", etc. They don't HAVE to do any of that....people will buy the cars regardless like they do Porsches and other Euro cars. They share information with us and ask our opinions because they are AWESOME car people, and because they care about building the cars we want. Sure that makes good sense financially, but if you asked Ralph if it's about the money, I think he'd be genuinely insulted.
The best way to be completely shut out would be to violate the simple request that we not photograph the car. The business reasons are plenty but they don't matter....we should obey the request out of respect for the relationship.
Just my 0.02. Not trying to be confrontational or anything, just expressing my opinion, which may be hard to appreciate without being here and being a part of something "special". [/mushy]
VIPER GTSR 91
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The next Gen photos are awesome with an Italian flair but concepts rarely look like the real thing if and when it arrives. First year bugs are another issue.
Black Mamba
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Exactly! That's why I'm not getting very worked up over what the Gen V does or doesn't look like. It will be a long time before the car goes into production and I do not like to buy first model year cars because of all the bugs. So even if I do decide to get a Gen V, I may be looking at 3-4 years before I would make the purchase.
I will just try to forget about the Gen V for now and enjoy the '10 ACR I just purchased.
Phun70
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Couldn't agree with you more Kelly!!!! Hell, I didn't get to go, and I would be VERY PISSED!!! ans DISAPPOINTED if one of our members were to violate the trust of our very good friends at DODGE and SRT, by selfishly posting a picture of what we have been asked to keep under wraps. I CAN WAIT!! I'm thrilled that the folks who saw the car were thrilled. That's really all I need. My 2c.
Pythonpete
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I have no problem that I have to wait to see a picture. Its at least two years until ANYONE can buy one.
slaughterj
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Pretty sketchy as nobody is given a copy of the agreement, it was ****** described as a liability waiver with no mention of NDA, and not any real accurate tracking to ensure signatures by all those present.
That's true though. That's why I haven't posted my spycam pics. Of course I will sell them and send via email
AbsolutHank
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Haha. Email me some pics and your Paypal account will soon be larger
Kevan
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Why is Dodge being so secret about all this?
Why give Team Corvette a head-start on [attempting] to build something bigger/better (a ZR1b?) ?
Also, how can dealers and salespersons stay uninformed and utterly useless if you let them have correct information ahead of everyone else?
Why give Team Corvette a head-start on [attempting] to build something bigger/better (a ZR1b?) ?
Also, how can dealers and salespersons stay uninformed and utterly useless if you let them have correct information ahead of everyone else?
Malu59RT
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So can Dodge give us an idea when an actual rendering would be published, or just previewed? I get that no one at VOI can post a photo, so when can I look forward to seeing the car? This month...this year...2013?
Early93Viper
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Seeing the new prototype Viper early was probably the biggest perk in VOI history. A favor that Dodge, Ralph, Chris, Mary, etc. did for us attendees. Why anyone would be upset that these people bent over backwards to show the VOI attendees this is beyond me.
Jerz Viper
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Well said Kelly, and thank you!
I know people are excited to see the new car, ITS AWESOME!
PLEASE RESPECT RALPH and those at Chrysler who gave us this peek, and be thankful a GEN V is on the way.
Long live the Viper!
slaughterj
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Haha. Email me some pics and your Paypal account will soon be larger
Check your email! I'll check my paypal account!
Great post. I doubt most people here are upset about not seeing the picture but perhaps very jealous (such as myself
) for not being able to attend VOI and miss out on the wonderful gift Ralph and team bestowed upon the attendees. I can wait. But a great big thank you to Chris, Mary, Lee, Marv, Bobby, and many, many others that helped make VOI happen. Based on the feedback I'm hearing, it was a very big hit!Jay Herbert
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When Ralph said, "Please do not take any pictures, I'm asking for your respect." (I paraphrase) It was one of the most impressssssive things I have ever seen an executive do.
Trust and respect are something that is harder and harder to find these days. It is quite a statement that with all the cameras that all of us had in our hands, literally hundreds of them, not one picture is out there (yes, the presentation had several pictures of the car before we saw it in person which easily could have been photographed).
We should be very proud of all that attended who are respecting the request of a very impressive leader, one that no doubt is respected by Sergio enough to let his Division continue the Viper Legacy.
As for the Gen V car, I am sure many comments will be heading to Ralph, which is what he wants..... the good and the bad. All of those that did not take a particular liking ot the Gen III/IV car, you will like this one. To me it was more of a logical step to the Gen II legacy then something radical (as I personally viewed the Gen II to III change). It is the return of the curves and it once again has plan view curves as well. Is it my "perfect Viper"? No, but it is close enough that my list to Ralph will be a short one
Side note, the 470 hp 470 b-ft Challenger was equally impressive. It was also really neat to see many of the other new models... the Durango, Charger, Mini(man)van, and Avenger(?).
This VOI reminded me more of VOI.1, it was great. The VCA should be very proud of all that made it happen. There is no doubt in my mind that the mere fact it occurred had an impact on the Gen V car happening.
Trust and respect are something that is harder and harder to find these days. It is quite a statement that with all the cameras that all of us had in our hands, literally hundreds of them, not one picture is out there (yes, the presentation had several pictures of the car before we saw it in person which easily could have been photographed).
We should be very proud of all that attended who are respecting the request of a very impressive leader, one that no doubt is respected by Sergio enough to let his Division continue the Viper Legacy.
As for the Gen V car, I am sure many comments will be heading to Ralph, which is what he wants..... the good and the bad. All of those that did not take a particular liking ot the Gen III/IV car, you will like this one. To me it was more of a logical step to the Gen II legacy then something radical (as I personally viewed the Gen II to III change). It is the return of the curves and it once again has plan view curves as well. Is it my "perfect Viper"? No, but it is close enough that my list to Ralph will be a short one
Side note, the 470 hp 470 b-ft Challenger was equally impressive. It was also really neat to see many of the other new models... the Durango, Charger, Mini(man)van, and Avenger(?).
This VOI reminded me more of VOI.1, it was great. The VCA should be very proud of all that made it happen. There is no doubt in my mind that the mere fact it occurred had an impact on the Gen V car happening.
ViperGeorge
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When Ralph said, "Please do not take any pictures, I'm asking for your respect." (I paraphrase) It was one of the most impressssssive things I have ever seen an executive do.
Trust and respect are something that is harder and harder to find these days. It is quite a statement that with all the cameras that all of us had in our hands, literally hundreds of them, not one picture is out there (yes, the presentation had several pictures of the car before we saw it in person which easily could have been photographed).
We should be very proud of all that attended who are respecting the request of a very impressive leader, one that no doubt is respected by Sergio enough to let his Division continue the Viper Legacy.
As for the Gen V car, I am sure many comments will be heading to Ralph, which is what he wants..... the good and the bad. All of those that did not take a particular liking ot the Gen III/IV car, you will like this one. To me it was more of a logical step to the Gen II legacy then something radical (as I personally viewed the Gen II to III change). It is the return of the curves and it once again has plan view curves as well. Is it my "perfect Viper"? No, but it is close enough that my list to Ralph will be a short one
Side note, the 470 hp 470 b-ft Challenger was equally impressive. It was also really neat to see many of the other new models... the Durango, Charger, Mini(man)van, and Avenger(?).
This VOI reminded me more of VOI.1, it was great. The VCA should be very proud of all that made it happen. There is no doubt in my mind that the mere fact it occurred had an impact on the Gen V car happening.
All I can say is +1.
PatentLaw
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The average member has access to the "inner workings"? How? They will not even show a picture. VOI was a marketing event, among other things. They marketed a new vehicle they wish to sell to members who wish to buy. Without the buyers, there is no reason to make the vehicle. Until recently, they would not even say if they would make a replacement. Remember those days a few months ago?
I did not say anything about taking a picture on the sly would be acceptable. What I did comment on was that I did not see the reason for the secrecy, as they already protected (or should have) the intellectual property. Since they did that, there is no legal harm in showing it. Zero.
Everything should be above board. Open and honest. Are you implying that I did not want to be legit?
People will buy the cars without the information coming out from those in the know? Take a look at the sales figures. I would be willing to bet that a pretty fair amount of the recent purchases were by people on this board. Don't underestimate the members of the board and their purchasing power. I don't see Vipers flying off the shelves. You yourself bought one. Bet you are the only one in your neighborhood who has one.
It is great that Dodge asks the owners of the cars for their opinions. Ford does that for the Mustang crowd and Chevy for its products. It is smart to keep everyone up to date and the owners interested. It is not just a "Dodge" thing.
Not trying to pick a fight either. The deal is that the buying public on this board controls what goes on, pure and simple. Many members wanted to see the vehicle.
Why is that so bad? Why would anybody NOT want to see the vehicle? What "don't I get"?
Lee00blacksilverGTS
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It's really very, very simple, no car manufacturer in history has ever allowed a picture of a car that is two years away from production to be seen by the public.
THIS manufacturer allowed 800 people to view not only that car but 5 or 6 others, which also included cars that have not been seen by even the spy photo motoring press. On the way home I was reading the current issue of of one of the car mags and they had a spy photo of the new Charger with a cover pulled off the front of the car back to the windshield. They thought that view was a big deal.
We walked around and SAT in the same car 18 hours prior. Red car with a full on red leather interior that looked like a new Lexus....STUNNING.
THAT is what we mean when we say we have a special relationship with Dodge and that they are willing to share with us in a way no other manufacturer does.
I repeat, no manufacturer in history has shown a car 2 years away from production to their enthusiast group. We do have the best relationship in the industry with our manufacturer. There were many indications that this was going to happen, Ralph even mentioned it in his editorial in Viper magazine, those that chose to go got to see it. Showing up in person and going through strict security was the only way to prevent pictures. And pictures can't just be thrown up on the internet for the club, there is NO way to protect a picture like that and no one should expect Dodge NOT to want to protect the view of a project two years out.
THIS manufacturer allowed 800 people to view not only that car but 5 or 6 others, which also included cars that have not been seen by even the spy photo motoring press. On the way home I was reading the current issue of of one of the car mags and they had a spy photo of the new Charger with a cover pulled off the front of the car back to the windshield. They thought that view was a big deal.
We walked around and SAT in the same car 18 hours prior. Red car with a full on red leather interior that looked like a new Lexus....STUNNING.
THAT is what we mean when we say we have a special relationship with Dodge and that they are willing to share with us in a way no other manufacturer does.
I repeat, no manufacturer in history has shown a car 2 years away from production to their enthusiast group. We do have the best relationship in the industry with our manufacturer. There were many indications that this was going to happen, Ralph even mentioned it in his editorial in Viper magazine, those that chose to go got to see it. Showing up in person and going through strict security was the only way to prevent pictures. And pictures can't just be thrown up on the internet for the club, there is NO way to protect a picture like that and no one should expect Dodge NOT to want to protect the view of a project two years out.
No.
I keep hoping for a new design that will blow me away like the GTS did. The Gen3, Gen4 and now the GenV didn't do it. I realize it's in the very early stages and things may change along the way. So I'm going to keep my fingers crossed.
kcobean
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VOI was a 'marketing event' for the other vehicles, but I think it was intended as
more of a market research/focus group event for the Viper. The car is still so far away that they can use something like VOI to measure the response to the initial design, gather feedback and make changes that will improve the look and make it more appealing to a larger audience. Remember that there were only 600 or 700 people in attendance. That's not a huge sales event, but it is a priceless data opportunity.
What if the first response to the car by those in attendance was "Yuck!" Many people will assume that what we saw is what will hit the showroom floor, in which case you'd have folks writing the car off as a loser before it ever came out. With a low volume car like this, you gotta get it right the first time or low sales will cause the death of the car. I would rather they be secretive while they see if they 'got it right' than release something to the public with no research and have the public at large pick it apart.
Not at all. I just think it would be a shame if someone violated Ralph's trust. Dodge will release photos when they have the "go to market" version of the car, they just aren't there yet.
I have no idea what the "repeat buyer" percentage is for the Viper. I'm sure you're right that a sizable portion of the buyers will be repeat buyers. Who better to provide 'tuning feedback' than current owners who've spent hours and hours absorbing the curves and lines of the existing model. The only way to contain the feedback to current owners is to do what they did.
The only logical reason not to show the car to the world is that it's not the final product. This was a research session. I know many people were asked by Ralph and other SRT folks what they thought about specific things or the car in general. There was a display there to help select the most comfortable seat, etc. They were 'learning', not marketing (though some marketing effect was inevitable).
When they finalize on the design that will go to the showroom, we'll all see it.
it amazez me how it seems 80 percent of you guys think it should look like the gen 11... i think the gen 11 is ugly,but differant..thats what makes the car kool... but would never own a gen11 cause its ugly
oh boy here comes the strorm
oh boy here comes the strormBS, you better layoff the koolaid... It's not a good day to die...it amazez me how it seems 80 percent of you guys think it should look like the gen 11... i think the gen 11 is ugly,but differant..thats what makes the car kool... but would never own a gen11 cause its ugly
hou99gts
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If Ralph really wants all of our opinions on the Gen V Viper, I would think he would poll all of the members of the Viper Club of America, not just the people who were able to attend VOI. I personally decided to use the thousands of dollars it would have cost my wife and I to attend VOI toward the car payment I am making on my 09 ACR, as I spend all my "play money" on my Vipers and nothing else. I have owned 3 Vipers (still have 2 of them) and my opinion could help Dodge in the development of the Gen V car, but since I did not attend VOI Dodge will never know my opinions since everything is being kept secret. I'm sure others that did not attend VOI would have many good opinions to offer as well, it is Dodge's loss we will not get to express them until sometime in the future. I hope everyone that attended VOI gave Ralph the same feedback I would have!!!!
Boxer12
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Don't worry, there will no doubt be a 'spy shot' in the next Motor Trend. Someone will leak one, and that is just how the auto world works. You don't see the PCA guys or FCA getting advance releases of new products, why would Dodge? Marketing is all about timing, and they gotta have the order sheets in place with dealers to take those checks. Why let the air out of the balloon? Personally, I enjoy the anticipation. Just my 2c.
trojewski
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+1 to Lee: The new car is beautiful (a perfect evolution) and most of the "faithful" will agree. This vehicle is NOT done and showing it now to the masses would be a major error.
On a side note, I've been to each VOI and this one was right at the top, for many reasons...the reveal on the Gen V just one.
On a side note, I've been to each VOI and this one was right at the top, for many reasons...the reveal on the Gen V just one.
big-n-italian
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am i the only one who doesnt like the new viper? i think wrapping the whole car in that tarp thing is quite goofy, and visibilty is going to be awful!
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?
