gen2 verses GEN3 question

[Twister]

has anyone ever seen a video of a gen2 and gen3 viper both stock street raceing ect

Ive had both and 1/4 miled both and with me driving and my personal timing equipment at the same location my srt10 with intake/roller rockers was a bit faster than my intake/smooth tube/no cats 99 rt10 viper..

I was 119-121 mph in the two mods srt10 and 117-119 mph in the 3 mods 99 rt10//

both at 1000 feet elevation and both in 70 degree weather..maybe 75 passes in the 99 and 30 passes in the 2003..

also ran a buddies gts acr that had intake/exhaust/roller rockers/3.33 gears against my intake roller rocker srt10 and we were dead even..On multiple runs...

But I was over at the vette forum today and I saw someone post this in a viper verses vette thread..


"I guess you dont realize that Gen 3 Vipers have never produced the times that the gen 2 did, and actually lost a ton of low end grunt when they went with a single throttle body intake, gen 2's were only rated at 450/460hp, in actuality they were all 500hp cars, when stock I would sqaush me buddies 05, in my 99"



My gen 2 was a 500 HP car? Thing only dynoed 410 rwhp stock sae..I must have gotten a bad one??????


I know what I have seen with my own personal testing and raceing..But is my srt10 just a freak of nature because it was an arrow rebuild??? 459 rwhp with two mods dosent seem like anything special to me.


Tell me what you know about this???? Your personal experiance ect..


And where are the vids???

 

[96GTS]

First of all...don't take advice about a Viper from a Corvette forum. The Gen II was a 450 hp motor, the Gen III was a 500 hp motor and the Gen 4 is 600 hp. Some people don't have the experience racing as other, so a 400 hp car beating a 500 hp car is just a matter of seat time/ability. Just because you have a Viper doesn't mean you know how to drive it to its full potential.

 

[SquadX]

Just per hearsay, the Gen 2's had more low in grunt and got off the line quicker if you could launch. If thats true or not, i dont know as ive never driven a SRT. From the times Ive seen the SRT produces quicker 1/4 times as it should and that may be because the SRT pulls harder at high rpms and you can rev it higher. I honestly dont think the extra 50 hp makes a big difference but what do i know.
but as 96GTS stated, its all about driving to its fullest potential.

 

[Roy]

My gen 2 was a 500 HP car? Thing only dynoed 410 rwhp stock sae..I must have gotten a bad one??????

I think this difference is the lost between the crankshaft and wheels, I don't think the 500 factory horses are RW horses. I am pretty positive that those are crankshaft ponies...

 

[vpower01]

This thread is sweet.

owners of 08 or later vipers and zo6 - Page 2 - Corvette Forum

a Lot of viper lovers over there.

 

[AbsolutHank]

This thread is sweet.

owners of 08 or later vipers and zo6 - Page 2 - Corvette Forum

a Lot of viper lovers over there.

Yeah, I think it's fair to say well over half C6Z guys think the Viper is awesome. Maybe that's because C6Z guys aren't necessarily Vette guys, they're just car guys who got a great car for great money. Now alot of the other Corvette guys...they are the blind Viper haters, who argue with incorrect data and perpetuate myths

Cant we all just get along?

 

[NukedGTS]

This thread is sweet.

owners of 08 or later vipers and zo6 - Page 2 - Corvette Forum

a Lot of viper lovers over there.

Great post on the Vetter forum . . . . now if only the majority of Viper owners on this forum could show the same respect to the Vette and it's owners. Example: The first response to this Viper post was a comment of how you should not listen to Viper comments on a Vette forum, of course the Viper owner who made that statement has no idea of the experience level or knowledge of the Vette owner making the comments. Remember guys and gals, if there was one single PERFECT sports car out there, we'd all be driving the same thing.

 

[Twister]

am I the only one who's mind is completely blown away that the gen2 has been out since 1996 and the gen3 since 2003 and you cant find one head to head article or street race or anything after all these years...I really just dont get how their have never been any videos of these two raceing each other????????????????????????????????????????

Ive been searching for a vid of them for months now..and nothing

 

[Twister]

Great post on the Vetter forum . . . . now if only the majority of Viper owners on this forum could show the same respect to the Vette and it's owners. Example: The first response to this Viper post was a comment of how you should not listen to Viper comments on a Vette forum, of course the Viper owner who made that statement has no idea of the experience level or knowledge of the Vette owner making the comments. Remember guys and gals, if there was one single PERFECT sports car out there, we'd all be driving the same thing.

I paid more for my used 2003 Viper in 2007 then I did for my brand new 2004 vette..

The point Im trying to make with that statement is that most of us have had a vette before we got our snakes and can comment about how the car goes unoticed and never seemed special despite the performance..

On the other hand most vette guys have never experianced viper ownership..

Atleaste half of vette owners get their vettes used for 15-25K...the (minimum) for a 1992 viper is 25K..Most used Vipers are in the 30-60K range..

Therefore atleaste half of the vette owners could simply just not afford snake ownership. Not trying to be a ***** as Im far from a high roller myself..

but honestly we have much more right to point out the negatives of their car verses them about ours..

 

[99 R/T 10]

Yeah, that is a funny read, see post #10. Apparently the Viper has a solid rear axle....................

 

[BlackSnake99]

My brother has an 01 GTS and I drove that car several times. For me, I much rather prefer my 06Z. I like the creature comforts, and if I just want to cruise and relax and not be annoyed by the exhaust, I just flip the switch to the mild setting.

This pretty much sums up the difference between your typical Vette guy and Viper guy to me.

I am a Viper guy.

 

[1BADGTS]

I paid more for my used 2003 Viper in 2007 then I did for my brand new 2004 vette..

The point Im trying to make with that statement is that most of us have had a vette before we got our snakes and can comment about how the car goes unoticed and never seemed special despite the performance..

On the other hand most vette guys have never experianced viper ownership..

Atleaste half of vette owners get their vettes used for 15-25K...the (minimum) for a 1992 viper is 25K..Most used Vipers are in the 30-60K range..

Therefore atleaste half of the vette owners could simply just not afford snake ownership. Not trying to be a ***** as Im far from a high roller myself..

but honestly we have much more right to point out the negatives of their car verses them about ours..

TWISTER ,how old are you.MANY MANY on this forum owned MANY MANY VETTS BEFORE there ever were Vipers.AS far as one on one betwwen Gen 2-Gen 3 for the uptenth times the cars are so damn close (as with many supercars today )ITS ALL ABOUT THE DRIVER.A great driver in a Gen 2 can take out an average driver in a Gen 4 .

 

[1BADGTS]

Ps ONE TIME,JUST ONE TIME i would let to get you and that guy from the sticks of Canada to a MAJOR LEAGUE NHRA RACETRACK and HAVE A pro show you thats its more driver than brand loyality.

 

[AZTVR]

its more driver than brand loyality.

Don't mess with those guys ! They are fun to listen to ! I am always amused at the posts about how one company's managers make better decisions than another company's managers, and which company spends their money better !

I know that the engineers are probably equal; so, its all about what constraints are put on them. Its not really about the engineering; its just about how the money and time are apportioned by management and the sales & marketing department.

 

[RTTTTed]

Ps ONE TIME,JUST ONE TIME i would let to get you and that guy from the sticks of Canada to a MAJOR LEAGUE NHRA RACETRACK and HAVE A pro show you thats its more driver than brand loyality.

I believe that Twister has a 600rwhp Z06 in his garage, don't tink you can tell him anything about anything. He actually owns both. I was told that you don't won a Viper.

I'm over 50 and WON money at International competitions at NHRA tracks so it's not very likely that YOU could ever show me anything. I alsow own 2 Gen 2s that are 800rwhp and up so your vette baloney isn't likely to impress me either. The old owner of the Edmonton track ran an F1 team and was a friend of mine. That would be the track used in "Fast Company" movie made while I was there racing. Eagle Motorplex, Mission Raceway, Seattle Int. Raceway, Bremerton, Woodbine, Firebird Raceway, Edm Int. is most of the NHRA tracks I raced at. I also built dozens of race cars that ran NHRA tech rules. I built my own tube chassis extended/altered wheelbase '80 Arrow that ran low 9s in street trim. Now that car that is the same chassis goes 6 sec in the quarter mile -all steel and glass. Guess you can't tell me anything about NHRA rules, cars, chassis's or anything else "big city 'boy'. You just sit back on the computer and dream this garbage up? don't you actually go to these race tracks when they're open ... and take pictures?

Brand loyatly? Have you got any idea of how long it took until GM got embarrassed into building rear axles and engines that didn't self destruct? Because 400 H. balancers blew apart so often all brands of cars were forced to buy SFI (that's the NHRA Safety Foundation Institute 'cause you probably don't know that either) approved harmonic balancers. $400 worth of parts that weren't needed on any dodge ever built. Dana 60 is the choice rear axle of dragsters and it only came stock with Dodge cars. 727s had the rep for the strongest trans in the business. Hemis ... well I sure don't have to explain a Hemi to anyone - even a girl. That's what brand loyalty is all about.

Anytime a vette came to the race track (much heavier than a Nova) we all had a good laugh and I never saw a vette win anything until recently.

I am glad that GM finally built a Z06 and a ZR1, but I would buy a Shelby GT500 or supersnake if I didn't have 2 sc'd Vipers.

 

[RTTTTed]

As far as Gen 2 vs Gen 3s the big probelm with the Gen 3s were the runcraps. The heavier sidewalls compromised the perfromance. Although there was a few that could heat up the ZPs and get equal traction, it was usual for the ZPs to manage to keep up to the PS1s.

Now the Gen 3s are starting to come into their own. Modifications wise, the Gen 3 actually has a better engine controller design that the Gen2s. Finally the modifications are available for the Gen 3s. Still difficult to get a supertorque TS blower for your Gen 3 right now and that means that many of us (TS)Roe blower guys still won't go Gen 3.

Keeping in mind that a Roe blower car with 8-10# is easy to get into the 10s. Gen 3s (except the few 06 coupes) come in the "Slower than 13 sec. only" class at the NHRA and IHRA dragstrips. Coupes and GTSs are good to 11.5 before requiring a 6 point cage.

Now that the ZPs and SP1s are obsolete and upgraded to the Gen 4s PS2s all Gens are running equal tires. Although the vettes still run ZP Goodyears of a smaller than Viper size the ZR1 did get an upgrade to PS2s!!!

Althought the Viper designed transmissions are also in the big hp vettes and Shelby Mustangs I think that US VIPER GUYS managed to save a few dollars because vettes and Mustangs got to pay some of OUR research and development costs. I also like the idea of all top rides getting the better designed for Dodge trans, and tires.

Ted

 

[1BADGTS]

I believe that Twister has a 600rwhp Z06 in his garage, don't tink you can tell him anything about anything. He actually owns both. I was told that you don't won a Viper.

I'm over 50 and WON money at International competitions at NHRA tracks so it's not very likely that YOU could ever show me anything. I alsow own 2 Gen 2s that are 800rwhp and up so your vette baloney isn't likely to impress me either. The old owner of the Edmonton track ran an F1 team and was a friend of mine. That would be the track used in "Fast Company" movie made while I was there racing. Eagle Motorplex, Mission Raceway, Seattle Int. Raceway, Bremerton, Woodbine, Firebird Raceway, Edm Int. is most of the NHRA tracks I raced at. I also built dozens of race cars that ran NHRA tech rules. I built my own tube chassis extended/altered wheelbase '80 Arrow that ran low 9s in street trim. Now that car that is the same chassis goes 6 sec in the quarter mile -all steel and glass. Guess you can't tell me anything about NHRA rules, cars, chassis's or anything else "big city 'boy'. You just sit back on the computer and dream this garbage up? don't you actually go to these race tracks when they're open ... and take pictures?

Brand loyatly? Have you got any idea of how long it took until GM got embarrassed into building rear axles and engines that didn't self destruct? Because 400 H. balancers blew apart so often all brands of cars were forced to buy SFI (that's the NHRA Safety Foundation Institute 'cause you probably don't know that either) approved harmonic balancers. $400 worth of parts that weren't needed on any dodge ever built. Dana 60 is the choice rear axle of dragsters and it only came stock with Dodge cars. 727s had the rep for the strongest trans in the business. Hemis ... well I sure don't have to explain a Hemi to anyone - even a girl. That's what brand loyalty is all about.

Anytime a vette came to the race track (much heavier than a Nova) we all had a good laugh and I never saw a vette win anything until recently.

I am glad that GM finally built a Z06 and a ZR1, but I would buy a Shelby GT500 or supersnake if I didn't have 2 sc'd Vipers.

Ted ,THE FOUNTAIN OF misinformation.You have never OWNED driven any modern day supercars.(HELL a prototype to you is something newer than 10 years old.)so in all actuality you dont have the experiance to comment on this topic.If iam wrong LIST THE NAMES OF EVER CURRENT GEN CAR YOU HAVE DRIVEN OR OWNED.Also we dont want to hear about your old STEALTH (Junkyards filled with them in NJ ) or about how you dont need to buy a MODERN DAY Viper since your bolt on application is just as fast.

 

[1BADGTS]

Ps as far as SUPERSNAKES they tested MY GEN 4 against one brought to Englishtown by GARY PATTERSON himself(Carrol Shelbys right hand man ).WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME you personally SAW ,DROVE OR RACED AGAINST ONE.Also whether you like it or not MY Gen 4 was easilly beaten by it same day same track same driver.

 

[1BADGTS]

As far as Gen 2 vs Gen 3s the big probelm with the Gen 3s were the runcraps. The heavier sidewalls compromised the perfromance. Although there was a few that could heat up the ZPs and get equal traction, it was usual for the ZPs to manage to keep up to the PS1s.

Now the Gen 3s are starting to come into their own. Modifications wise, the Gen 3 actually has a better engine controller design that the Gen2s. Finally the modifications are available for the Gen 3s. Still difficult to get a supertorque TS blower for your Gen 3 right now and that means that many of us (TS)Roe blower guys still won't go Gen 3.

Keeping in mind that a Roe blower car with 8-10# is easy to get into the 10s. Gen 3s (except the few 06 coupes) come in the "Slower than 13 sec. only" class at the NHRA and IHRA dragstrips. Coupes and GTSs are good to 11.5 before requiring a 6 point cage.

Now that the ZPs and SP1s are obsolete and upgraded to the Gen 4s PS2s all Gens are running equal tires. Although the vettes still run ZP Goodyears of a smaller than Viper size the ZR1 did get an upgrade to PS2s!!!

Althought the Viper designed transmissions are also in the big hp vettes and Shelby Mustangs I think that US VIPER GUYS managed to save a few dollars because vettes and Mustangs got to pay some of OUR research and development costs. I also like the idea of all top rides getting the better designed for Dodge trans, and tires.

Ted

Ted also when you are invited to a private test at a NHRA TRACK (not that you have ever been invited )the roolbar issues DO NOT APPLY AS YOU CAN RUN ALL DAY LONG .PS YOU KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT GEN 3S when was the last time you owned or drove one.

 

[NukedGTS]

As far as Gen 2 vs Gen 3s the big probelm with the Gen 3s were the runcraps. The heavier sidewalls compromised the perfromance. Although there was a few that could heat up the ZPs and get equal traction, it was usual for the ZPs to manage to keep up to the PS1s.

Now the Gen 3s are starting to come into their own. Modifications wise, the Gen 3 actually has a better engine controller design that the Gen2s. Finally the modifications are available for the Gen 3s. Still difficult to get a supertorque TS blower for your Gen 3 right now and that means that many of us (TS)Roe blower guys still won't go Gen 3.

Keeping in mind that a Roe blower car with 8-10# is easy to get into the 10s. Gen 3s (except the few 06 coupes) come in the "Slower than 13 sec. only" class at the NHRA and IHRA dragstrips. Coupes and GTSs are good to 11.5 before requiring a 6 point cage.

Now that the ZPs and SP1s are obsolete and upgraded to the Gen 4s PS2s all Gens are running equal tires. Although the vettes still run ZP Goodyears of a smaller than Viper size the ZR1 did get an upgrade to PS2s!!!

Althought the Viper designed transmissions are also in the big hp vettes and Shelby Mustangs I think that US VIPER GUYS managed to save a few dollars because vettes and Mustangs got to pay some of OUR research and development costs. I also like the idea of all top rides getting the better designed for Dodge trans, and tires.

Ted

This is getting good . . . . .

 

[RTTTTed]

1bad no nothing, we are sooo impressed that you say you drove a newer viper. According to you, that's all that's required to be an expert on every car built?

So, the tuners that don't own a new STOCK Viper are idiots too? Only you and a could other guys know anything about cars - because you drove a Gen4 Viper? LOL.

I'd post pics of engines while I'm in the middle of them blueprinting them, but since that wouldn't have anything to do with knowledge? I should have stayed at a Holiday Inn last night?

My buddy down the road owned a Gen 3, but his son drove it and crashed, oops guess he didn't learn anything driving a Gen 3 because I hear that last month (less than a year later) the kid just wrote off the Gen 4 - in a parking lot! He was a genius, just like you. Guess he should have taken some HP Driving courses? I lucked out and got JonB for my instructor, who was yours?

By the way, duh. My cars aren't as fast as a Gen 4 they're both MUCH faster by well over a hundred hp and NO, you can't drive them. Have you ever driven an 8 sec 1/4 mile car? Too bad. VCA member, Leslie is a driving instructor and I'd probably let her drive my car (no, I don't think she drove a stock Gen4). Oh, but she is a VCA MEMBER and owns a slightly modified Sapphire/silver GTS. Her 450bhp would easily spank your non-existant Gen 3 and 4 I'm sure. She runs mid-Ohio with some other VCA MEMBERS in case you could borrow a Viper of any year and demostrate your driving skills to a girl. I'd put a couple bucks on Leslie showing up YOU in her old Gen 2.

Drag racing doesn't take huge amounts of skill, unless you're just a beginner. Consistency does take a lot of skill if the car isn't set up properly.

Any and every stock car owner knows that even a slight modification on any other similar car makes them faster. How come you've never figured that out yet? You WROTE that you had "highly modified" Gen 2 that went high 11s. Think that you thought it was the fastest, right? LOL

 

[1BADGTS]

1bad no nothing, we are sooo impressed that you say you drove a newer viper. According to you, that's all that's required to be an expert on every car built?

So, the tuners that don't own a new STOCK Viper are idiots too? Only you and a could other guys know anything about cars - because you drove a Gen4 Viper? LOL.

I'd post pics of engines while I'm in the middle of them blueprinting them, but since that wouldn't have anything to do with knowledge? I should have stayed at a Holiday Inn last night?

My buddy down the road owned a Gen 3, but his son drove it and crashed, oops guess he didn't learn anything driving a Gen 3 because I hear that last month (less than a year later) the kid just wrote off the Gen 4 - in a parking lot! He was a genius, just like you. Guess he should have taken some HP Driving courses? I lucked out and got JonB for my instructor, who was yours?

By the way, duh. My cars aren't as fast as a Gen 4 they're both MUCH faster by well over a hundred hp and NO, you can't drive them. Have you ever driven an 8 sec 1/4 mile car? Too bad. VCA member, Leslie is a driving instructor and I'd probably let her drive my car (no, I don't think she drove a stock Gen4). Oh, but she is a VCA MEMBER and owns a slightly modified Sapphire/silver GTS. Her 450bhp would easily spank your non-existant Gen 3 and 4 I'm sure. She runs mid-Ohio with some other VCA MEMBERS in case you could borrow a Viper of any year and demostrate your driving skills to a girl. I'd put a couple bucks on Leslie showing up YOU in her old Gen 2.

Drag racing doesn't take huge amounts of skill, unless you're just a beginner. Consistency does take a lot of skill if the car isn't set up properly.

Any and every stock car owner knows that even a slight modification on any other similar car makes them faster. How come you've never figured that out yet? You WROTE that you had "highly modified" Gen 2 that went high 11s. Think that you thought it was the fastest, right? LOL

Wrong as usual MR FOUINTAIN OF MISINFORMATION in ALL ASPECTS .First of all my Gen 2 ran low 11s on stock tires all engine and pump gas.Your bolt on applications may be faster than a Gen 4 FOR A FEW MINUTES BUT could not take one quarter of the ABUSE a Gen 4 could take in the hands of a Pro without blowing apart and thats a FACT Mr FOUNTAIN of MISINFORMATION.(Your TRYING to compare a bolt on application thats done on an EXTREMELY limited budget with an SRT Enginnered Product )You see Ted unlike you i speak from experiance with these MODERN CARS.Over the years i have had NUMERIOUS Superchsrged cars ( done by SOME OF THE BEST TUNER OUT THERE )tested by the mags.The result is the same almost every time.Since your an authority on MODERN DAY CARS you completely forgot to list the MODERN DAY CARS you have owned and driven .You Ted not you neighbor 500 miles down the road.

 

[1BADGTS]

PS TED i also didnt just DRIVE A GEN 4 I owned one of the first sold. AS USUAL YOUR info is wrong.

 

[Paul Hawker]

Gentlemen.

First issue is that Gen II's that were rebuilt by Arrow were consistantly making more HP after they returned than before. In addition to more peak HP they had smoother and more powerful delivery with fewer peaks and valleys.

Most comparisons between various generation Vipers were at different tracks, conditions and times. Hard to compare a time at Englishtown with a run in Denver.

Easier way to sort this out is to compare the hundreds of runs at the various VOI's. They all run at the same quality prepared tracks, usually with very little VHT or track prep. All use the same starter, and all the different drivers will smooth out the variables.

As stated most Gen III's ran with run flats and those were slower.

See everybody that wants to prove a point in Utah.

 

[RTTTTed]

baddie only says he owns everyting and is a genius. Sounds like he knows nothing to me. His comments on boltons blowing apart is a perfect example of his anti Viper lack of knowledge. There are thousands of supercharged Vipers out there and just because baddie says he blew up so vettes - so?

That his "fastest Gen2" only went 11s shows that he really doesn't keep up with your tube at all. Even reading these threads he'd know better than to think that 11s was fast. He'd certainly know that there are a lot of 9 sec Roe blower cars and some equal Paxton cars as well as with the PS2s many cars easily go 10s and the 10.5 street tire record was broken long ago. I don't think 'baddie' would make references to Macedo's quality engine building to his face, he's just making up all of his 'facts' like usual.

I think he's just jealous that I have 2 Gen 2s that are both tons faster than any stocker built, and they're both faster than his "fastest Gen2". Any Gen 1 Viper with a nitrous kit and tires could go faster than 11 sec. I was going 11 sec with my 1968 Dart and cudas, with a n/a 440 and old technology. My Arrow went 10.4 n/ without the Nitrous turned on, in street trim. My 440 Duster got 18 mpg and went 12.2 street tires and a 4 speed with 3.23s at 118mph. Family car. Although baddie thinks that wasn't possible that was back in 1980s before there was a viper.

LOL,

Ted

 

[1BADGTS]

baddie only says he owns everyting and is a genius. Sounds like he knows nothing to me. His comments on boltons blowing apart is a perfect example of his anti Viper lack of knowledge. There are thousands of supercharged Vipers out there and just because baddie says he blew up so vettes - so?

That his "fastest Gen2" only went 11s shows that he really doesn't keep up with your tube at all. Even reading these threads he'd know better than to think that 11s was fast. He'd certainly know that there are a lot of 9 sec Roe blower cars and some equal Paxton cars as well as with the PS2s many cars easily go 10s and the 10.5 street tire record was broken long ago. I don't think 'baddie' would make references to Macedo's quality engine building to his face, he's just making up all of his 'facts' like usual.

I think he's just jealous that I have 2 Gen 2s that are both tons faster than any stocker built, and they're both faster than his "fastest Gen2". Any Gen 1 Viper with a nitrous kit and tires could go faster than 11 sec. I was going 11 sec with my 1968 Dart and cudas, with a n/a 440 and old technology. My Arrow went 10.4 n/ without the Nitrous turned on, in street trim. My 440 Duster got 18 mpg and went 12.2 street tires and a 4 speed with 3.23s at 118mph. Family car. Although baddie thinks that wasn't possible that was back in 1980s before there was a viper.

LOL,

Ted

Ted ,as usual i speak from experiance .Racing experiance you do not have with these cars as your GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION makes it impossible for you to experiance the latest and greatest.As far as speaking from experiance the very car your questioning won 4 straight VCA MOPAR ATLANTIC TITLES (beating hundreds of Vipers over the years doing so ).IT WAS LATER SOLD TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE VCA-who could have had any NA VIPER out there.As far as blowing up supercharged cars, the cars i had tested by the mags were not VETTS TED THEY WERE VIPERS that were supercharged by some of the best tuners .Your total lack of experiance in this matter is evident .In the hands of a pro on a hot day none i repeat none of YOUR CARS could last 15 minutes while a stock 08 could last all day.You think you run your cars hard ,you dont.Once again for someone who claims to be so experianced you forgot to list the modern day supercars you have driven or owned.Are you embarrassed because there are none.

 

[RTTTTed]

You have experiance?

Anyway, I have been invited to pit on a Promod and a 300mph slat flats car. - so much for your geographical comments. No, we don't have salt flats here, they're SLC. It's called DRIVING.

I don't understand why you make so many comments about racing experiance when the spelling is experience and you don't even seem to know that a 6 point roll cage is required for verts at 13.0 sec and GTS/coupes at 11.5 sec. Havn't you ever been to a race track before? So, even you should be able to figure out that my car is way too fast for any NHRA competition.

You really do think that if I drove one of my friends new Vipers my life would change? LOL. The SRT engineers said that they would sell an intake insulation kit (was supposed to come in the later 09 cars) that would save 18rwhp of heat soak. Any of your buddies got this or know about it? Oh yah, you're just an enthusiast and can't acess the SRT engineers forum - you'll just have to trust my wisdom because I actually spoke with the guys that designed those new car improvements. Lol

You're welcome.

 

[Paul Hawker]

About time for the mods to step in and quelch the personal attacks.

 

[RTTTTed]

Not a personal attack. baddie - what's your answer to the Challenge?

Think you have any chance of keeping up to a girl in her stock engined Gen 2 GTS??? Mid Ohio is a reasonable distance for you to travel to show your experiance against a girl and the old cars that you don't seem to think have any perfromance?

You offer me to cross-continent for a drag race in your cars. You offered the same to another member. This is a reasonable Challenge and Leslie said that she'd love for you to visit her track.

Ted

 

[1BADGTS]

You have experiance?

Anyway, I have been invited to pit on a Promod and a 300mph slat flats car. - so much for your geographical comments. No, we don't have salt flats here, they're SLC. It's called DRIVING.

I don't understand why you make so many comments about racing experiance when the spelling is experience and you don't even seem to know that a 6 point roll cage is required for verts at 13.0 sec and GTS/coupes at 11.5 sec. Havn't you ever been to a race track before? So, even you should be able to figure out that my car is way too fast for any NHRA competition.

You really do think that if I drove one of my friends new Vipers my life would change? LOL. The SRT engineers said that they would sell an intake insulation kit (was supposed to come in the later 09 cars) that would save 18rwhp of heat soak. Any of your buddies got this or know about it? Oh yah, you're just an enthusiast and can't acess the SRT engineers forum - you'll just have to trust my wisdom because I actually spoke with the guys that designed those new car improvements. Lol

You're welcome.

HELLO MR FOUNTAIN OF MISINFORMATION during private mag test sessions NHRA RULES DO NOT APPLY .On todays super cars i repeat todays super cars you have absolutely no personal experiance if so NAME in detail what you have owned or driven.