gen2 verses GEN3 question

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HELLO MR FOUNTAIN OF MISINFORMATION during private mag test sessions NHRA RULES DO NOT APPLY .On todays super cars i repeat todays super cars you have absolutely no personal experiance if so NAME in detail what you have owned or driven.

Tsk tsk, reduced to name calling?

I did italicize your spelling of 'experience' and spelled it correctly so you could learn it (in case you write a magazine test).

If you don't race or have any race experience because you only 'test' with no rules then why do you say you have any experience? What difference does it make what car I have race exoerience? Is a Honda easier to drive? Maybe an SLR is what I need to drive so that I can experience the Traction Control and full automatic? I know, all my classic stuff was a manual shift and takes way more skill than a newer computer doing all the driving, right? Is that your point? I should have experience driving something really easy?

Anyway, you can rant for another 20 years and I won't drive YOUR choice as I don't want YOUR choice and prefer the faster cars. I also don't drive other people's cars. I've owned over 500 cars and figure I know what I like ... don't care what YOU like (a vette you said is best). I will probably NEVER drive a vette unless it becomes the World kick ass car like the ACR has, for several years. Oh, they don't have vette track days? Too bad.

Ted

 

[ViperTony]

I didn't see any personal attacks in this thread. Unfortunately, as a moderator, I don't use my 'Ignore List' but it does work well if someone wants to tune somebody out. FYI.

 

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So I can ask him if he's ********? LOL.

Quote by baddie "On todays super cars i repeat todays super cars you have absolutely no personal experiance if so NAME in detail what you have owned or driven."

I don't understand who decided that YOU get to decide what's a "today's supercar"? I guess that you decided on a certain year? Honda's OK too, haha. I own 2 Vipers! Both are near comparable to a Veyron in power output. I've raced thousands of times at NHRA tracks. I've got road course experience. You "gave your car to someone else to magazine test"? That's it?

Why would I spend a day listing my experiences and cars? I've owned almost every muscle car built by Mopar and posted pics of cars that I've built and I'm sure driven faster than you've ever gone. I'm getting tired of trying to explain driving differences of fast cars to you and posting pics for you to ignore.

Since it's only you calling me names and you obviously don't have what it takes to try your stocker against a girl in a Gen 2 no more needs to be said. The mental picture of you riding passenger seat to Leslie just shows you screaming like a little girl.

Ted

 

[Twister]

he he he...lol

 

[Leslie]

1BADGTS..I will be running Mid OH for 3 days this weekend, you are more than welcome to come out and get a ride. Even if you aren't signed up with the group, the porsche club has what's called 'taste of the track', it's $25 and you get to sit in on the driving classes and you get 2 sessions with an instructor out on the track.

Another guy on here is running too (Shandon), so it would be kewl to have another Viper hanging out, we need to take those porsches DOWN! We will be in garage #24

 

[1BADGTS]

So I can ask him if he's ********? LOL.

Quote by baddie "On todays super cars i repeat todays super cars you have absolutely no personal experiance if so NAME in detail what you have owned or driven."

I don't understand who decided that YOU get to decide what's a "today's supercar"? I guess that you decided on a certain year? Honda's OK too, haha. I own 2 Vipers! Both are near comparable to a Veyron in power output. I've raced thousands of times at NHRA tracks. I've got road course experience. You "gave your car to someone else to magazine test"? That's it?

Why would I spend a day listing my experiences and cars? I've owned almost every muscle car built by Mopar and posted pics of cars that I've built and I'm sure driven faster than you've ever gone. I'm getting tired of trying to explain driving differences of fast cars to you and posting pics for you to ignore.

Since it's only you calling me names and you obviously don't have what it takes to try your stocker against a girl in a Gen 2 no more needs to be said. The mental picture of you riding passenger seat to Leslie just shows you screaming like a little girl.

Ted

Ted you own two VIPERS ENGINEERED 20 years ago and have the nerve to try to compare them with a GEN 4.The MENTAL PICTURE (MENTAL IS THE OPERATIVE TERM )is you can not .This is a fact( MR FOUNTAIN OF MISINFORMATION) over the years i have had BOTH of the exact same systems ON YOUR CARS TESTED .These systems were installed by some of the best Viper tuners out there (out of respect to these tuners i will not reveal their names publicly BUT certain local VCA MEMBERS are aware of the results ).The net result was -is always the same ,CATOSTROPHIC ENGINE FAILURE after multiple hotlapped runs.Ted a professional driver (DEFINATELY NOT YOU )CAN TAKE A Gen 4 OUT ALL DAY LONG ON A 90 DEGREE DAY AND BEAT THE SNOT OUT OF IT AND IT WILL LIVE you can not due that with your cars.

 

[1BADGTS]

1BADGTS..I will be running Mid OH for 3 days this weekend, you are more than welcome to come out and get a ride. Even if you aren't signed up with the group, the porsche club has what's called 'taste of the track', it's $25 and you get to sit in on the driving classes and you get 2 sessions with an instructor out on the track.

Another guy on here is running too (Shandon), so it would be kewl to have another Viper hanging out, we need to take those porsches DOWN! We will be in garage #24

Leslie for the life of me i do not know how or why the Fountain of MISINFORMATION (TED )brought you into this or your gender into this (he keeps ranting and raving about me racing a girl ) .If you look back over my posts many times a drag racing challenge was issued to TED (which he clearly backed down from-MANY MANY TIMES ).The throw down was TED in any STOCK Gen Viper of his choice against my driver of choice in a stock Vette of my choice at Englishtown. I would supply everything .The loser of the race would pay ALL EXPENSES.What the above has to do with you or racing you i do not know (my guess is TED is so EMBARRASSED that he constantly has to back down to me that he is trying to covilute the issue by bring you and you gender into this )

 

[1BADGTS]

Ted still waiting for your list of TODAYS SUPERCARS you have owned or driven .Todays TED that means not engineered in the 80s.

 

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Guess you'll get old waiting because I don't answer to you, what a joke. You're asking me for a list of new cars I own? Well I do, but it's none of your business. What new cars do you own? Seems to be none? Do you have a driver's license? With all the deal with police and ticket info you posted you seem to have vast ticket and court experience (notice the correct spelling please).

My cars have never failed and catastophic engine failure, just like 99% of the other tuner cars on the VCA. Sorry to show the lie of your intended misinformation, but you should read more and make guess less about everyone elses cars.

Before you supplied a car for magazine testing and now the story has changed to you testing???

Most people buy superchargers because they have proven so reliable. GM (even with their millions of recalls) has been supercharging cars since the 80s. All Fords fast cars and pickup are supercharged since the 90s. I guess you just don't get out much? Live in a cave or something? Very few supercars are normally aspirated (90s and new) and trying to keep up to the KING of production supercars even GM has gone with FI. I was going to offer a lsit of supercharged supercars, but if you type "supercharger" into your web browser, you should have enough information that you could learn for decades. You could watch some GT racing and if you would have been at VOI X in Detroit the Grand PRix had some real proffessional race car drivers, driving real race cars around Belle Isle and you could have told those drivers that their supercharged Astin Martin, Caddy and Mustang race cars were going to fail? None of them did. Neither did the Twin turbo Prosches or the Ferrari. The Comp coupe Vipers were equal to keeping up. Learn. I don't think any car there was n/a except the Vipers. What pro drivers were you referring to? A magazine driver, lol?

You wouldn't even have to take engines apart and build your own (to talk about it) you could read a lot and then talk, talk, talk. Maybe even talk good information if you can forget everything you pretend to know and study instead. Go study forced induction cars - Google Search over 6 million sites for you.

 

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Getting away from posters subject which wasn't Gen 4s it was Gen 2 comparison to Gen 3. At the time of production there were about equal. With the new PS2s the Gen 3 is slightly faster stock, but with the prices of a Gen 3 being slightly higher now a Gen 2 can be bought with a few tasteful mods that really increase the enjoyment of the car.

ACRs were only built in the Gen2 GTS models and came with custom designed racing shocks. GTSRs were the factory race cars of the GEn 2s and the compcoupe (hardtop for racing) was the factory race car of the Gen 3. The CC were not the same cars and not street legal.

The Gen 2 were easy to modify and there are many reliable modifications available for them. The Gen 3s are starting to come into their own as the new SCRT technology now utilizes the better Gen 3 ECU. Some states are limited because of emissions and state parts approvals which limit the Gen 3s. The new Roe Racing Twin Turbo system is amazing and the most reasonably price TT kit available. And ... it seems to add huge hp to the Gen 3 Vipers.

All technology is available for all cars. I liked the Tire Pressure Monitor System after I had a low profile tire go flat and get destroyed before I noticed it - so I bought a TPMS and installed it into my Gen 2. I also updated my stereo system to a Blue Tooth "hands free" cellphone because of new provincial laws. My Gen 2 has better brakes than the Gen 3 came with. My VR1 Billet wheels on my Gen 2 are amazingly light, although they are no longer available (probably because of the cost prohibitive price of building Billet wheels?).

Ted

 

[1BADGTS]

Guess you'll get old waiting because I don't answer to you, what a joke. You're asking me for a list of new cars I own? Well I do, but it's none of your business. What new cars do you own? Seems to be none? Do you have a driver's license? With all the deal with police and ticket info you posted you seem to have vast ticket and court experience (notice the correct spelling please).

My cars have never failed and catastophic engine failure, just like 99% of the other tuner cars on the VCA. Sorry to show the lie of your intended misinformation, but you should read more and make guess less about everyone elses cars.

Before you supplied a car for magazine testing and now the story has changed to you testing???

Most people buy superchargers because they have proven so reliable. GM (even with their millions of recalls) has been supercharging cars since the 80s. All Fords fast cars and pickup are supercharged since the 90s. I guess you just don't get out much? Live in a cave or something? Very few supercars are normally aspirated (90s and new) and trying to keep up to the KING of production supercars even GM has gone with FI. I was going to offer a lsit of supercharged supercars, but if you type "supercharger" into your web browser, you should have enough information that you could learn for decades. You could watch some GT racing and if you would have been at VOI X in Detroit the Grand PRix had some real proffessional race car drivers, driving real race cars around Belle Isle and you could have told those drivers that their supercharged Astin Martin, Caddy and Mustang race cars were going to fail? None of them did. Neither did the Twin turbo Prosches or the Ferrari. The Comp coupe Vipers were equal to keeping up. Learn. I don't think any car there was n/a except the Vipers. What pro drivers were you referring to? A magazine driver, lol?

You wouldn't even have to take engines apart and build your own (to talk about it) you could read a lot and then talk, talk, talk. Maybe even talk good information if you can forget everything you pretend to know and study instead. Go study forced induction cars - Google Search over 6 million sites for you.

TED,ARE YOU FOR REAL .Over the years i have set up, supplied ,attended MORE MAG TESTS THAN I CAN REMEMBER.Off the top of my head .Attended test Mopar Perf SET STOCK Gen 2 Recorded.Attended test Muscle Mustang and Fast Ford of PROTOTYPE FORD GT (was one of the first civilian ever to test drive it allowed to do so by John Coletti. )Set up Muscle Mustang Fast Ford test of Dan Blacks DLM SUPERCHARGED Viper.Set up Shootout of VCA PRES Joe Houss Gen 2 Viper against Z06 for Gm High Tech Mag.Invited to participate in Muscle Mustang -Fast Ford shootout of the fastest true streetcars in the tri state area (thats my Gen 2 on the cover of the mag ).Attended Super Chevy Test of the first Z06 Vett. Name it ,i have owned it (VIPER OR VETTE WISE )or driven it (Lambo Diablo ,Ford GT ,Ford Shelby Supersnake ,MB SLR McClarren ,Ferrarri 360 Stradile ).Ted i was setting you hope praying YOU WOULD ASK ME TO LIST THE ABOVE .Now you have my PARTIAL list WHERE IS YOURS WITH THE UP TO DATE SUPERCARS (.Hint TED Dusters worth 15 GRAND from the 70s are not considered Supercars either are front wheel drive Daytonas as BOTH are readily available in any NJ Junkyard).As far as PRO DRIVERS PLEASE TED.

 

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Well, good for you. You're really boring though. After all your saying that my 800rwhp Gen 2s are slow and you know pro drivers that couldn't drive them without "catastrophic engine failure" you're only talking about Gen 2s and FGTs? If you even drove those cars then you know that 11 seconds (your fastest?) is a dog. There are many many VCA members that own all the cars you mentioned and several that own Vipers as fast as 7 and 8 seconds. My old cars were good for 8s but now I drive only street cars and they're 9 sec cars. Even my 440 Duster is a 10 second car. They all beat your 11 sec. "world's fastest Gen 2.

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That's my Kevlar fire jacket and my firepants. You'll notice that although the pants are 1, the funnycar/Pro jacket is a 5. I went out to the garage and took a pic. Of course if all I drove was newer stocker cars I wouldn't need the 9 sec and faster kevlar jacket.

You've tired me with all your Ford this and mustang that. As much as I like the new supercars they're too slow for me and they're still stuck only getting 600rwhp and although you obviously can't handle that much, it's really too slow for me as that's the hp we all used to run Bracket Racing back in the 80s.

Ted

 

[1BADGTS]

pS Ted allow me to EDUCATE you some more. Supercharger APPLICATIONS FROM THE FACTORY( Ford ,Gm ect ) where MILLIONS of dollars are spent in R&D are vastly different than the BOLT ON APPLICATION DEVELOPED BY PAXTON OR IN SOME GUYS GARAGE.Only you would try to compare them .Ted its kind of like saying Burger King and Peter Lugars BOTH SERVE PARTS OF A Cow.Now Ted i realize you have absolutely no clue in the world what PETER LUGARS is but GOOGLE IT.

 

[1BADGTS]

Well, good for you. You're really boring though. After all your saying that my 800rwhp Gen 2s are slow and you know pro drivers that couldn't drive them without "catastrophic engine failure" you're only talking about Gen 2s and FGTs? If you even drove those cars then you know that 11 seconds (your fastest?) is a dog. There are many many VCA members that own all the cars you mentioned and several that own Vipers as fast as 7 and 8 seconds. My old cars were good for 8s but now I drive only street cars and they're 9 sec cars. Even my 440 Duster is a 10 second car. They all beat your 11 sec. "world's fastest Gen 2.

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That's my Kevlar fire jacket and my firepants. You'll notice that although the pants are 1, the funnycar/Pro jacket is a 5. I went out to the garage and took a pic. Of course if all I drove was newer stocker cars I wouldn't need the 9 sec and faster kevlar jacket.

You've tired me with all your Ford this and mustang that. As much as I like the new supercars they're too slow for me and they're still stuck only getting 600rwhp and although you obviously can't handle that much, it's really too slow for me as that's the hp we all used to run Bracket Racing back in the 80s.

Ted

WOW TED thats a nice fire suit ONLY SEEN ABOUT 1000 of them hanging out at Englishtown.For all your BS talk though you always seem to forget to NAME supercars you have owned or driven Ted i realize your embarrassed because we all know your answer is ZERO.If you truely owned or had driven any MODERN DAY SUPERCARS you would list them(LIKE I DID )Instead you TRY to get off the subject with your BS and other nonsense about storys from the 80s involving Dusters ,Lawnmowers (SAME THING )ECT.

 

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pS Ted allow me to EDUCATE you some more. Supercharger APPLICATIONS FROM THE FACTORY( Ford ,Gm ect ) where MILLIONS of dollars are spent in R&D are vastly different than the BOLT ON APPLICATION DEVELOPED BY PAXTON OR IN SOME GUYS GARAGE.Only you would try to compare them .Ted its kind of like saying Burger King and Peter Lugars BOTH SERVE PARTS OF A Cow.Now Ted i realize you have absolutely no clue in the world what PETER LUGARS is but GOOGLE IT.

You're going to teach me about superchargers Bad logic trying to compare superchargers to a cow?

Anyway, you didn't know the Ford use a Whipple type? Mitusbishi is the company that makes IHI? Paxton type superchargers were factory installed in the early 1900s? My buddy had a Hudson with a Paxton on it (they didn't even make Hudsons by the 60s). Twin screws like the one on my 01 GTS are the preferred supercharger upgrade for the Mustangs. 2.4L are upgrades!

Old tech, new tech, make up your mind. It's all good.

One of your old threads you said that all Mustangs go 8 seconds for under $9,000. Go read your Mustang magazines. You can leave the fast stuff for Viper Magazine that you don't get as an enthusiast. You should join, you could argue with the engineers that built these cars instead of just argueing through me about what they said in the members only forum and at the VOIs that the VCA members go to.

 

[1BADGTS]

Ted time to educate you some more .Go to a VCA Data base and resarch NJ VCA MEMBER NUMBER 07236.HELLO TED thats MY VCA Number dating back to the mid 90s (DECADES BEFORE YOU OWNED OR KNEW WHAT A Viper was).I used to hold VCA EVENTS AT MY RESTAURANT again decades before you owned or knew what a Viper was.As far as street driven Mustags going 8s AGAIN YOU SHOW YOU IGNORANCE and lack of experiance in Modern day supercars no doubt brought about from your geograhpic location in the middle of no where.Englishtown is one of the top drag racing facilitys in the world (LIGHT YEARS OVER ANYTHING YOU RUN AT )On any Wend test and tune night THOUSANDS SHOW UP TO RUN.AMOUNG THESE THOUSANDS ARE STREET DRIVEN 8 SECONDS MUSTANGS.YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT .