The seller is obviously stuck in NADA/KBB top-gear . . . . walk unless $10K is meaningless to you. You really want a red one anyway.These clowns still aren't budging and as your said, don't seem to know much about Vipers. Beyond tires and the exhaust (not that I don't like it but I feel I can use it as an issue of negotiation), is there anything else you guys can think of as bargaining points? Thanks again, it's much appreciated.