I let us all down

[Bandit3]

Well, I appologize to all here, got beat by a, GULP C5. Went to commerce Friday PM. First run was only a 12.6. Last year on a hotter day, turned 12.4. Second run, asked to pair up with a z06. Well, overconfident me spun em through second with lots and lots of wheel hop. 13.0--oouch. Third run, now the z06 was looking for me and we ran again. Same results--13.0. 60' times were around 2.2. Bad-- really bad. Fortunatly, the zo6 pilot was a gracious winner. Told me another viper had the same results earlier in the season. I have a spare set of rear tires, does anyone have a suggestion for dot type slicks?? I'll try to get better, I promise. John

 

[agentf1]

Get used to it, if you are not at the top of your game, it will happen. ;-)

 

[Chuck 98 RT/10]

Yup. 13.0 won't beat a Z06.

 

[Bandit3]

Well mr agentf1-- I'll let this post stand for a bit before responding. John

 

[99 R/T 10]

Get some V700 Kumhos. My times with the old sport pilots were 1.9 at best, witht he Kumho's I cut a 1.7.

 

[agentf1]

Sorry John, I couldn't resist. I am sure you can take a little good natured ribbing amongst fellow race enthusiust. I probably shouldn't talk since my 60' times are > 2.0 also but am I still working on my driving technique. These high horsepower manual shift cars are not as easy to get the low ET's they are capable of as some may think.

What is a gulp C5 anyway?

 

[RAno Sports Car Company]

Just curious,

What did the ZO6 run??

 

[timz06]

Hey this is something I was wondering about, how do dot r tires do for drag racing? I was thinking as sticky as they are they should reduce the 60 ft times. Any experience:? I saw the post about the kuhmos, any others?

 

[timz06]

PS the z06 will run very high 11's to super low 13's depending on the driver. My first time out I ran 12.9 @ 112 . I expect I could run in the mid 12's now, but it's all in the launch!

 

[M. ROD]

PS the z06 will run very high 11's

Great! that makes the Viper a 10 sec. car!!!

ZO6, car.

 

[1TONY1]

You didn't let us down. At least you were out there trying. No substitute for practice.

 

[Chuck 98 RT/10]

PS the z06 will run very high 11's

Not without changing the tire setup or a few bolt-ons.

 

[Russ M]

Wow z06 will run high 11's???

Funny considering the I have personally seen over a dozen z06's at tracks around the country and the fastest to date is still a 12.6 and this one had mods on it. And over 1/2 of them were in the low 13 second range.

On the other hand when I first bought my viper back in 99 the first Viper club event I watched a bone stock Viper run 11.92. And at the same time a Gen 1 viper run 12.3's, and he was doing it all day long.

Not to mention the numerous low 11's and 10's from the moded snakes.

From what I understand there is 1 guy who has run an 11 sec pass on a supposedly stock z06. Given that there are about 50,000 of them out there I would call that one guy a liar.

 

[MichaelP]

PS the z06 will run very high 11's to super low 13's depending on the driver. My first time out I ran 12.9 @ 112 . I expect I could run in the mid 12's now, but it's all in the launch!

Tim, who has run an 11 in a stock Z06?

 

[Toby]

That's nothin...My ZO6 run's in the 10's 100% stock. My Viper runs in the 9's 100% stock and I own a F-16 that I use to commute to work with.

 

[BlueGTS]

I have seen a bone stock Z06 run 12.4 @ 113-114. I was very impressed with how well that car ran. I know the owner and he had just purchases his car at the time so it was without mods. I would have to say that shaving .5 off that very impressive time would be quite a trick. I would like to see it.

 

[BigCarrot]

I saw a bone stock one run a 12.4 also. I was very impressed! The funny thing is that he put heads/cam/headers/etc. on the car and ran a 12.40! 11's in a stocker is impossible unless he ran slicks and dumped the clutch at 6000 rpms, the clutch held and it hooked like mad on a 20 degree day! Riiiiight!

 

[timz06]

There are a couple of what I would call reliable posters on the covetteforum. Not many at all. One guy who I had in mind was actually at 12.1 on stock tires. Here are his times and a link where lot's of different people chimed in.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zerothread?id=357696
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'02 Z06 Black on black
Bone Stock
Best Run (stock tires): 12.168 sec @ 116.47 mph at 1700' DA, 540 miles, paper tags
Best ET (drag radials): 11.931 at 1905' DA
Best trap (drag radials): 118.2 mph at 1800' DA
Dynojet #: (SAE) 353 rwhp, 347 rwtq

With only Mod: Halltech Tric cold-air intake
Best Runs (drag radials): 11.556 @ 117.69 mph at 1200' DA
.................................................11.568 @ 117.94 mph at 400' DA
.................................................11.612 @ 120.54 mph at 62' DA
.................................................11.640 @ 118.57 mph at 300' DA
.................................................11.640 @ 118.16 mph at 400' DA
.................................................11.651 @ 118.44 mph at 450' DA
.................................................11.654 @ 117.87 mph at 500' DA
.................................................11.662 @ 118.46 mph at 500' DA
.................................................11.681 @ 120.21 mph at 100' DA
.................................................11.682 @ 117.72 mph at 450' DA

Best 60' (drag Radials): 1.647 [BFG 315.35.17 on 12" wide CCW wheels]
Dynojet #: (SAE) 363 rwhp, 350 rwtq [Tric rw: peak +10hp, +3tq; +9tq @ 4500]

Last Car
'01 Z06 Torch red on black Only mod: Halltech Tric cold air intake
Best ET (drag radials): 11.948 sec @ (est) 116.65 mph; -615' DA
Best ET (stock tires): 12.145 sec @ 115.85 mph at 1703' DA
Best trap: 118.1 mph

 

[Chuck 98 RT/10]

There are a couple of what I would call reliable posters on the covetteforum. Not many at all. One guy who I had in mind was actually at 12.1 on stock tires. Here are his times and a link where lot's of different people chimed in.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zerothread?id=357696

Looks like they have some good tracks in Maryland.

 

[BigCarrot]

That's that downhill track isn't it?

 

[Snakester]

I for one believe that very high 11s are possible with a '02 Z06, just like mid 11s are possible with a stock GenII Viper.

However, I believe that it is not reasonable to expect anyone but a skilled drag racer to be able to duplicate those times, and even then only under prime weather and track conditions.

Evan Smith ran an 11.77 1/4 mile with a stock 2000 R/T10,
And other skilled drag racers have done even better (or so I've read) but I'll be happy if I can break into the high 11s with light mods (and a great deal of practice) on stock tires. Very happy.

More likely, with skill and practice, I'll be able to see low 12s.

It never ceases to amaze me what people are comfortable in rationalizing as "stock". From pulling the spare, icing the intake (not on C5s), lowering tire pressure, and doing MANY other tweaks that are unrepresentative of how the cars would be driven on the street. Also some tracks do significant track prep essentially converting the track to a gummy equalivalent of slicks, while others do nothing.

Some racers claim to be stock with amazing track times, and then revise their claims to having a stock bottom end?!?! revealing that they deem anything short of a built race motor with blower and nitrous, "stock"!?! And many feel comfortable calling ET Streets and other DOT legal slicks as "stock". Others don't count modded intakes, K&Ns, and cat backs in their differentiation from stock, or running race gas.

With all of the extra torque that Vipers have down low, I'd say that it is easier to launch the Z06 to hit "average" times for someone unfamiliar with their car (mid 12s for Z06, low 12s for GenII Viper).
But when I owned a Corvette, I did run against a new driver of a stock Z06 that ran a 14.0 1/4 as well, so it's not a given to get them into the 12s, let alone 11s.
But I do believe that it's possible, if not likely stock.

As for spinning and getting 13.0 a couple times, that's part of drag racing. And it's good that you are out there running the car. It is practice that makes low 12s (and maybe) better times possible.

It's exciting to read about some people getting startlingly quick times with their "stock" cars, but it can be disappointing when you actually run the car yourself, falling short of the expert drivers.

-Dean.

 

[OutThere]

Sell your car and kill yourself......






Kidding.

 

[Bandit3]

Mr agentf1-- yeh, i got a lil pissy when i saw your response, only due to your avatar. Whos's this z06 guy, picking on me when i'm down. Few frosty's later, and your repost, all in good fun, thanks. Yes, in my haste to appologize to all, I forgot the comma (GULP,z06). Thanks to Tony and all who supported my losing effort. Never one to give up, I'm now looking for a set of tires that can hook up with all this torque, get it Mr agentf1----extra torque. Seems it would be easier to drive, race, a lower torque car, aka z06, than these monsters. Did I just say that?? Oh yeh, no excuses here, but someone did advise me at the track this fella has a supercharger. Nope, I don;t know if it's true, since he never opened his hood. I'll find out and post again. A loss is a loss, but I'll be back. John