SteveBCloud9
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Do you think the prices for used vehicles will go up. I remember when the Ford GT was discontinued. Prices went from $125k to $150K within 2-3 months....
If the Viper is no longer made....
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GBS
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I hope they go up and we're still able to get parts.
The reason the Ford GT basically has maintained its value is the EXTREMELY LIMITED numbers of them out there (probably less than 1200 total produced EVER )there are just too many Vipers out there to compare them not too mention the Ford GT is mid engined alum frame ect more exotic ect.
albinonile
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wow-per year thatis more production than the viper
Parts...that's it! Whether prices go up or down I don't really care....the Viper is not an investment for me. It's a depreciating asset with the only appreciation being my enjoyment of it. If it ever becomes worth more than what I paid for it then it may happen LONG after I die. In the meantime, **** value...I want to enjoy it. The way I see it, the only thing coming between me and my enjoyment of my Viper is the availability of parts...what good is highly valued Viper if there are no parts for it.
Newport Viper
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I will be driving this one for a long time so, it's all about the parts for me.
Stripe delete cars are very rare. My all black stripe delete with options is one of only 3 built. GT40s should hold their value long term. But you never know, i just drive mine and enjoy. I buy cars to enjoy not for investment.
GBS
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For some reason I like the Ford GT better without stripes. Black without stripes looks great!
adamlotus
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ford gt is in a diffrent class but i think viper prices willincrease in 5-10 years if 09 is last year
Popularity, rarity and even the economy are all part of any car's value.
I do plan to wear mine out, then wear out another one exactly the same as this one I hope.
Yah, parts would go up in costs. The avaiabilty will ebb and flow, just like it does now. Aftermarket parts are around but I don't think the factory has much of anything for Gen 1 and 2s. When I needed a headgasket Chrysler had 1 in Toronto and 1 in Montreal, but Jonb sent a pair plus gaskets to me the same day I called him. Can't imgaine parts being harder to find than only 2 headgaskets for over 1,000 cars in the entire country.
Ted
I do plan to wear mine out, then wear out another one exactly the same as this one I hope.
Yah, parts would go up in costs. The avaiabilty will ebb and flow, just like it does now. Aftermarket parts are around but I don't think the factory has much of anything for Gen 1 and 2s. When I needed a headgasket Chrysler had 1 in Toronto and 1 in Montreal, but Jonb sent a pair plus gaskets to me the same day I called him. Can't imgaine parts being harder to find than only 2 headgaskets for over 1,000 cars in the entire country.
Ted
I like the Ford GT better without stripes as well.
As far as the Viper and future value, I'm in the I don't care I just want to drive and enjoy the car for a very long time to come department. Part availability is really my only worry.
If you don't already have an old car you don't have any idea what you're in for. I mean it's not the obvious parts like motor, pistons, transmissions, etc. that will drive you crazy.That stuff is easy. It will be the little trim parts, or a particular bracket or retaining pin or bolt. The things nobody thinks of. Or the things that usually don't need replacing, so nobody ever makes them, then you find yourself in need of this critical piece and you , my friend, are f&%ked. That's real life with a collector car.
As far as the Viper and future value, I'm in the I don't care I just want to drive and enjoy the car for a very long time to come department. Part availability is really my only worry.
If you don't already have an old car you don't have any idea what you're in for. I mean it's not the obvious parts like motor, pistons, transmissions, etc. that will drive you crazy.That stuff is easy. It will be the little trim parts, or a particular bracket or retaining pin or bolt. The things nobody thinks of. Or the things that usually don't need replacing, so nobody ever makes them, then you find yourself in need of this critical piece and you , my friend, are f&%ked. That's real life with a collector car.
My guess would be less than typical depreciation % than other cars but likely to drop. Cars are a horrible investment if your soley banking on holding onto it and plan on selling it later at a mark up.
parts will be around for a long time
parts will be around for a long time
Chuck 98 RT/10
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Gawd, I wish Ford would have continued building those cars, except with a non-supercharged huge CID motor. What a terrific car they built. FORD.
FORD.No; that was total production and includes all International shipments.
Then subtract from this number greater than 500 that have gone the hard way and then from that those folks that own more than one which is many; in fact some have one of every color and then available units becomes truly very small.
Takes care
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Gawd, I wish Ford would have continued building those cars, except with a non-supercharged huge CID motor. What a terrific car they built.
Chuck...I will keep my comments to myself....Have a great day.
GBS
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I have a black Z06 and it's definitely a PITA to keep looking good. It's a good thing I like detailing my cars. One of my neighbors has a dark blue Ford GT with stripes. When he first got the car I use to see his youngest son walking on top of it.
albinonile
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I have a black Z06 and it's definitely a PITA to keep looking good. It's a good thing I like detailing my cars. One of my neighbors has a dark blue Ford GT with stripes. When he first got the car I use to see his youngest son walking on top of it.
walking on top of it ---???- they would have been calling child protective services on me
Canyon707
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I thought if a car was discontinued it was law to provide parts for 10 years.
06blueviper
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I know the Gen I/II share parts with other Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep cars, so some parts should be easy to come by...
1. Power steering pump
- 97-02 Viper part# 4642153
- 93-96 Jeep part# 52088139AC
2. idler pulley for serp belt is off of a jeep
3. wiper motors are off of rear caravan
4. glove compartment door latch for Gen 1 Vipers(RT/10's). The part is the same as '91 - '95 Dodge Caravan, Plymouth Voyger, and Chrysler T/C
5. Viper A/C Vents are the exact same as the Jeep Liberty
6. Air box clips for gen 1 at least, are chevy part nr. 25043286 $2 each
7. RT/10 Outside mirrors are the same as a Dodge Stealth
8. The Viper inner tie rod ends (not talking about outer tie rod ends) are the same as a Dakota
9. Rear caliper piston dust boots are from an Eagle Premier
10. Lower pressed-in ball joints are part number 4848 174. Upper ball joints are the common Ram van/pickup piece
11. Whole steering rack assembly and tie-rods/ends are the same from the 97-99' 2wd dakotas
12. The $80 Viper skip shift eliminator plug is the same as the $29 Chevy "version."
13. Headlight switch is European Ford.
14. the electric switch for the mirrors(gen I II) are the same as '97 grand cheerokee.
15. clutch pedal bushings: in inventory since 1979. The part number is 2-2467770
16. Steering column is a Dynasty part.
17. Foglamps are Audi.
18. HVAC controls, Ford. Same as '03 Mustang, '05 Excursion.
1. Power steering pump
- 97-02 Viper part# 4642153
- 93-96 Jeep part# 52088139AC
2. idler pulley for serp belt is off of a jeep
3. wiper motors are off of rear caravan
4. glove compartment door latch for Gen 1 Vipers(RT/10's). The part is the same as '91 - '95 Dodge Caravan, Plymouth Voyger, and Chrysler T/C
5. Viper A/C Vents are the exact same as the Jeep Liberty
6. Air box clips for gen 1 at least, are chevy part nr. 25043286 $2 each
7. RT/10 Outside mirrors are the same as a Dodge Stealth
8. The Viper inner tie rod ends (not talking about outer tie rod ends) are the same as a Dakota
9. Rear caliper piston dust boots are from an Eagle Premier
10. Lower pressed-in ball joints are part number 4848 174. Upper ball joints are the common Ram van/pickup piece
11. Whole steering rack assembly and tie-rods/ends are the same from the 97-99' 2wd dakotas
12. The $80 Viper skip shift eliminator plug is the same as the $29 Chevy "version."
13. Headlight switch is European Ford.
14. the electric switch for the mirrors(gen I II) are the same as '97 grand cheerokee.
15. clutch pedal bushings: in inventory since 1979. The part number is 2-2467770
16. Steering column is a Dynasty part.
17. Foglamps are Audi.
18. HVAC controls, Ford. Same as '03 Mustang, '05 Excursion.
GBS
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It's a 2008. I also have a 2004 yellow Gallardo. I have been thinking about getting a 997 Turbo. Looks like we like a lot of the same cars. You have a great collection.
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GBS
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Nice list! I would hope there are enough Vipers out there to make it profitable for some companies to keep manufacturing parts.
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How many total Vipers all Gens were produced (over 20000 PLUS )Any way you slice it theres approx 5-6 TIMES the amount of Vipers out there.Actually 4038:
GBS
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For getting swirls out I perfer Menzerna polishes. The one of choice depends how bad the swirls are. I always finish it up with one of their micro polishes. All use either my Flex random orbital polisher or my Metabo Rotary Polisher. The rotary polsiher gets the job done faster but you must be careful not to burn the paint. The picture of the Z06 was taken a couple of weeks after I applied Pinnacle Souveran Paste Wax. I use Souveran Paste Wax a lot. Looks very good and black, red and deep yellow paint. I also like Swissvax Concorso paste wax. I enjoy detailing my cars. It's a nice change of pass from my line of work. Here's a link to a detail I posted on my Viper a while back:
http://forums.viperclub.org/viper-detailing-tips-tricks/611963-detail-2002-acr.html
