Is anybody buying Vipers?

[CFRA7]

Here is an example of what I'm saying. Here is a 2006 C6 Z06 with 10K miles that just sold for $55K. Why pay $55K for a gen II when you can get a Z06 with 10K miles for $55K? That's wahy I won't pay over $50K for a Gen II Viper.



http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chev...ategoryZ6168QQihZ013QQitemZ230143933759QQrdZ1

 

[Stray Cat]

I love Vipers. I'd take a viper any day over a Z06. I admire the Corvette and wany Chevy to do well, but there is nothing like a viper to me and I have and would pay a premium for the right car.

I'd buy this one before I would pick a Z06. You could probably pick this one up at a decent price add a SC and be in the same ball park. This is not my car, I do not know this person - I just am looking for another Viper and stubbled across this one which looks like a deal:

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp;?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=22&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&criteria=K-black%7CE-ALL%7CM-_12_%7CH-%7CD-_156_%7CN-N%7CR-10000%7CI-1%7CP-PRICE+descending%7CQ-descending%7CY-_2004_%7CX-popular%7CZ-45429&aff=national&paId=226081850&recnum=31&leadExists=true

I do not track cars etc. Just owning and driving a Viper is a thrill for me. And there is that one little consideration called a drop top. If I can only have one, make mine a viper please. To me, there is nothing like a night time drive with the top down in the Viper. Nothing.

John

 

[Venomiss]

I love Vipers. I'd take a viper any day over a Z06. I admire the Corvette and wany Chevy to do well, but there is nothing like a viper to me and I have and would pay a premium for the right car.

I'd buy this one before I would pick a Z06. You could probably pick this one up at a decent price add a SC and be in the same ball park. This is not my car, I do not know this person - I just am looking for another Viper and stubbled across this one which looks like a deal:

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detai...onal&paId=226081850&recnum=31&leadExists=true

I do not track cars etc. Just owning and driving a Viper is a thrill for me. And there is that one little consideration called a drop top. If I can only have one, make mine a viper please. To me, there is nothing like a night time drive with the top down in the Viper. Nothing.

John

Well put!
We feel the same way.

 

[AFL in NJ]

IMHO, Viper prices are gas independant and usually Viper owners are in an income bracket that gas is something they are writing off inside a business, so it is a deductible expense. That being said, I believe our economy has had a lot of the upper middle class in recent years assuming a higher debt load and I believe those people manage debt in much the same way....get a little uncomfortable and their discretionary spending on big items goes down to what they feel is a manageable level (their own personal levels). Our dollar has fallen against foreign currencies which should see exports rise and thus our GDP go up. Those trends should lead to lower unemployment and more dollars re-entering our free market economy...blah blah blah blah blah

That being said, I bought my Viper as a reward to myself for paying off my divorce....I haven't re-married yet, nor got divorced again, so I haven't bought another Viper.....but my next Viper will likely be either a 1999-2001 ACR or if I'm doing well enough, a 1998 GT2 as I'm particular to the ACR Vipers in near original condition. I think Viper owners in particular seek out certain cars as some of the other VCA members already posted and each of us has a very definite purpose for our rides. I don't believe Vette owners and owners of other exotic marques are quite the same when dealing with late-model used cars. We are definitely a special group with low production numbers, coupe or roadster choices, stock to wildly modified and everything in between. The Viper is a very personal car!

Regards,
Aaron

 

[CFRA7]

I love Vipers. I'd take a viper any day over a Z06. I admire the Corvette and wany Chevy to do well, but there is nothing like a viper to me and I have and would pay a premium for the right car.

I'd buy this one before I would pick a Z06. You could probably pick this one up at a decent price add a SC and be in the same ball park. This is not my car, I do not know this person - I just am looking for another Viper and stubbled across this one which looks like a deal:

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detai...onal&paId=226081850&recnum=31&leadExists=true

I do not track cars etc. Just owning and driving a Viper is a thrill for me. And there is that one little consideration called a drop top. If I can only have one, make mine a viper please. To me, there is nothing like a night time drive with the top down in the Viper. Nothing.

John

Anyone would be thrilled to own a Viper. The defiative 1990s auto....

 

[gringoray]

I`m a car guy most of my adult life and owned numerous American muscle cars over the years. 79 Z28, 80´Camaro, 77`El Camino, 01 Camaro SS, 94 LT1 Corvette and numerous Ninja-style sportbikes. I feel the Viper and Vette are the machines to own right now. The Viper, not yet an owner but hope to be soon, is the ultimate American sports car. I think Vipers are a good investment, maybe not now, but 10, 15 years in the future. Check out the car auctions on the Speed channel. Amazing what the old skool muscle cars priced at these days.

 

[PatentLaw]

CFRA7 - I guess you just don't get it. Never over 50k for a Gen II. Ha Ha Ha. Good one.

 

[Boxer12]

Corvettes lack one commodity that Viper has in abundance, exclusivity...that is why Vettes depreciate like a rock in water. There are literally millions of them on the streets.

 

[PhoenixGTS]

I got a deal on a Viper

In 4 days I will have my 3rd anniversary of buying my 1998 GTS. I was looking for a silver car without stripes, found one, and paid $40k for it. It was only 300 miles away so I flew there and drove it home - so no transport charges. And of course, with a private party-to-private party sale in the State of Arizona there is no sales tax so I saved over $3k right there. I have a lot of love and about $10k more into the car now, and it is probably about as fast as a new Zo6. But my car is magic - when I pull up next to a new Z06, the Corvette disappears! Now I call that a value.

 

[CFRA7]

We all attach differnt values to cars. Unfortunatly for me, performance has a bigger value than looks when it comes to a Viper vs. a C6 Z06. No one here can argue that a Gen II Viper can match the performance of a C6 Z06. If it could (both can receive mods), It would be an easy choice. The Z06 is the best performing car in the world for under $90K. Used ones can be bought for under $60K. The Viper is best for under $50K. By next year, it will be the Z06 for under $55K and then under $50K. I don't know if I can handle being passed by Z06s on the track in exchange for being "cooler" on the street. Perhaps I'll just buy a 1990s Gen II for under $40K. For a $20K difference in price, I don't mind being passed...

Once again, I think the Viper is wonderful car. Very cool. However, REAL performance is a big issue with me if I sell my Formula Mazda. I don't want to spend $55K on a Viper to be passed by a $55K Z06. Doesn't work for me. Those who don't line up next to Z06s probally don't care.

The Viper is my favorite car for under $50K. The Z06 for under $75K. The 2008 Viper for under $100K. The Ferrari 360 or Audi R8 for under $125K. For under $150K, I'll take the Ford GT.

As you can see, I'm willing to trade performance for some models such as a 360, Audi R8 and Ford GT.

 

[agentf1]

I was just faced with this decision of C6 Z06 or GTS and, well, look at my avatar. I also have a C5 Z06 and have always loved it. I thought about buying a GTS back in 01 when I picked up my 02 Z06 and went with the Z. I thought I made the right decision for about 2 or 3 years and then I started to notice that my Z was not worth 52 any more but the GTS's were still worth close to what I would have payed back in 01. I also noticed that at every Cruise Night there were 3 other guys there with the same great Z06 that I had. I too think performance is high on my list of priorities but feel that the C5 and C6 Z06's and most Vipers are close enough that it really is a drivers race. Sure, all things being equal the new Z is a little quicker but then there will ALWAYS be somebody quicker so where do you draw the line. Anyway, I went with the GTS this time and do not regret it for one second. I will probably upgrade my C5 Z06 to a C6 Z06 next but have to say that the GTS is a keeper. If it is a daily driver, definitely get the vette but if it is just a weekend car that you use to go to Cruise Nights etc the Viper is the only way to go.

Just to give you an example. I usually go to this Cruise night every 3rd Friday night and I was always in my Z06 or my old Stingray Show Car that I sold for the Viper. I always had to fend for myself and ended up parked on the side or back. I went with the Viper for the first time a few weeks ago and they parked me front and center right in front of the showroom and before I could even get out of the car a crowd had gathered with everybody asking questions and making me open the hood. That never happened with any of the vettes. And it doesn't happen to any of my buddies with new Z06's anymore. At 7000+ a year the C6 Z06 is already yesterdays news. Its still a great and quick car but no Viper.

 

[androbud]

I happen to think the Gen II's will always command a premium no matter what the current price and performance of corvettes. It's just a car that some people happen to love. Just look at how much an all original TT supra is going for these days. Everyone knows there are faster/better handling cars out there. Some might even deliver more bang for the buck, but similar to a Viper, people will ALWAYS pay a premium for one.

Besides, at the age of 24 I don't think I'm "old enough" to own a corvette. My buddy hates it when I tell him that

 

[gringoray]

We all attach differnt values to cars. Unfortunatly for me, performance has a bigger value than looks when it comes to a Viper vs. a C6 Z06. No one here can argue that a Gen II Viper can match the performance of a C6 Z06. If it could (both can receive mods), It would be an easy choice. The Z06 is the best performing car in the world for under $90K. Used ones can be bought for under $60K. The Viper is best for under $50K. By next year, it will be the Z06 for under $55K and then under $50K. I don't know if I can handle being passed by Z06s on the track in exchange for being "cooler" on the street. Perhaps I'll just buy a 1990s Gen II for under $40K. For a $20K difference in price, I don't mind being passed... Once again, I think the Viper is wonderful car. Very cool. However, REAL performance is a big issue with me if I sell my Formula Mazda. I don't want to spend $55K on a Viper to be passed by a $55K Z06. Doesn't work for me. Those who don't line up next to Z06s probally don't care. The Viper is my favorite car for under $50K. The Z06 for under $75K. The 2008 Viper for under $100K. The Ferrari 360 or Audi R8 for under $125K. For under $150K, I'll take the Ford GT. As you can see, I'm willing to trade performance for some models such as a 360, Audi R8 and Ford GT.

CFRA7 - great analogy and you seem to really put it all into perspective. A guy who knows what he´s talking about. Thanks for the common sense viewpoint.

 

[PhoenixGTS]

Unfortunatly for me, performance has a bigger value than looks when it comes to a Viper vs. a C6 Z06. No one here can argue that a Gen II Viper can match the performance of a C6 Z06.

1) I think the performance difference you speak of is vapor. Many posts here, vids on youtube etc that show for track events any Viper is SO close to performance of C6 Zo6 as to not really be an issue. Difference is really the tires and driver in a track situation. Given the WAY lower cost of a Gen II Viper over a C6 Zo6 (I've never heard of a Zo6 under $60k - where are these secret deals) which would allow you to spend some $$$ to put monster brakes on the Viper and correct the one real gen II weakness, I see this as a non issue. Your thinking like a guy who reads magazine articles, not the driver you really are.

2) Given your ********* track use goal, you are leaving out a huge concern - robustness. No way the C6 Zo6 is sturdier overall than any Viper. One of the reasons a Viper weighs more than the Vette is it is built tougher. How many rear-end failures etc have there been in the Zo6s compared to Vipers.

 

[hou99gts]

Well, this is my first post, as I just bought a Silver 99 GTS on Sunday.....

I agree the Corvette is a better car performance wise, however the Viper wins in every other catagory IMO.

So "Yes", people are buying Vipers.....

 

[Venomiss]

Well, this is my first post, as I just bought a Silver 99 GTS on Sunday.....

I agree the Corvette is a better car performance wise, however the Viper wins in every other catagory IMO.

So "Yes", people are buying Vipers.....

Awesome! Welcome and nice wheels! Glad you bought a Viper!!! http://forums.viperclub.org/showthread.php?t=603453
This thread might answer some questions for you.

 

[PatentLaw]

Ok,
The common sense approach says that faster is better. I think that you (all Viper owners) are all a bunch of woosies. I am going out and selling the ACR now.
My world has just fallen in around me.


I just called my local Kawasaki dealer and am getting the ZX14.....in blue.


Faster is better. Riding a bike is more difficult as well. I am MUCH more manly now that I have made this decision. Thank God I have been shown the error of my ways. Ah, the male hormones are flowing now!

9.7 seconds in the quarter mile. And I am getting the BLUE one. Remember, blue is faster. No stripes. Eat my Ninja DUST slowpokes.

I also expect to have the name of this website changed immediately to.....guys/gals who can't hack it and who drive really slow.....dot com. Perhaps dinosaur.com. Maybe Fogey.org......your collective input would be appreciated.

I will also officially go over to the Mazda Miata forum (or what ever it is) and dip the official Viper Club of America banner down to those who are better. Thats it. We lost. Game over.

I need a group hug from the Vette guys as next year, I will be sooooo inferior to them.

All in jest, of course.

I am not a "*********" Viper guy. I am just surprised there has not been more people taking a stand here.

Oh, thats right.....you are all hiding under the bed right now...look out, the big bad Z06 will get you!

 

[PhoenixGTS]

Well, this is my first post, as I just bought a Silver 99 GTS on Sunday.....

Don't tempt me with those black wheels you tease!

 

[AFL in NJ]

First off Congrats Hou99GTS, nice car and welcome aboard!

I dreamt of owning Vettes all my youth, I actually tried to buy three separate ones before I found my Viper for comparable money (a '64 fuelie convertible, a '70 454 convertible, and a '66 427 (came with a 454 installed while the 427 was being rebuilt).....and that decision to buy the Viper is one I haven't regretted at all. If I chipped in an extra $3000 - $5000 dollars, I would have completed the deal for any of those cars, and sacrificed a lot of style, exclusivity and performance for years to come.

The Vette will always have a place in helping set performance goals and standards with the car buying public as a mass produced value and at times (ZR1, Z06) produce a niche performance car to take on the big guns. Sadly, the Vette will also be common (in exotic car standards) as you drive the streets of our nation. Give yourself a test, think of an obscure Vette and search for it to buy or at shows or even driving down the street....you'll always find one, or 10 or 25....now think of an obscure Viper, try to find one, for sale, and you'll find a completely different story.

Nothing I've ever seen draws crowds like the Viper. If I actually had an Enzo, it would draw more crowds, but realistically, few people own them, fewer take them to shows, and even fewer drive them. Our Vipers are pure performance cars, borderline race cars that are street legal, some have ABS and A/C, the Viper styling is either Love it or hate it and the public by and large LOVE IT! We own a Viper for many reasons, but the main one in all our minds intentionally or not is that pure performance and the Viper has always delivered.

I hope Chevy continues to push the limits of horsepower and performance with the Vette, and I expect Dodge to match Chevy in our limited production (read: exclusive) dreamcar....the Viper!

If you look to history, the few production cars that were built as a street legal race cars are reverred today and fetch incredible money......someday when our children (or children's children) get into their personal transportation pod that is wired to a computer grid to get them from one place to another in the most efficient way possible, they'll talk at lunch over soy-based steaks about the Viper their ol' Dad owns and how he still drives it and how the grid can only monitor what Dad does from an isolated computer room far away and they'll save their salaries to get one to be free!

Regards,
Aaron

 

[hou99gts]

Awesome! Welcome and nice wheels! Glad you bought a Viper!!! http://forums.viperclub.org/showthread.php?t=603453
This thread might answer some questions for you.

I'll be joining up very soon!!!

Thanks everyone for the replies! Car has 17,000 miles, clear history, basically 1 owner, 19" iForged wheels, and some other goodies. When I become a member I can post more pics....

 

[hou99gts]

Ok,
The common sense approach says that faster is better. I think that you (all Viper owners) are all a bunch of woosies. I am going out and selling the ACR now.
My world has just fallen in around me.


I just called my local Kawasaki dealer and am getting the ZX14.....in blue.


Faster is better. Riding a bike is more difficult as well. I am MUCH more manly now that I have made this decision. Thank God I have been shown the error of my ways. Ah, the male hormones are flowing now!

9.7 seconds in the quarter mile. And I am getting the BLUE one. Remember, blue is faster. No stripes. Eat my Ninja DUST slowpokes.

I also expect to have the name of this website changed immediately to.....guys/gals who can't hack it and who drive really slow.....dot com. Perhaps dinosaur.com. Maybe Fogey.org......your collective input would be appreciated.

I will also officially go over to the Mazda Miata forum (or what ever it is) and dip the official Viper Club of America banner down to those who are better. Thats it. We lost. Game over.

I need a group hug from the Vette guys as next year, I will be sooooo inferior to them.

All in jest, of course.

I am not a "*********" Viper guy. I am just surprised there has not been more people taking a stand here.

Oh, thats right.....you are all hiding under the bed right now...look out, the big bad Z06 will get you!

I'll race you on my V-rod, but it only runs an 11.3 quarter...

 

[Stray Cat]

2) Given your ********* track use goal, you are leaving out a huge concern - robustness. No way the C6 Zo6 is sturdier overall than any Viper. One of the reasons a Viper weighs more than the Vette is it is built tougher. How many rear-end failures etc have there been in the Zo6s compared to Vipers.

The only time I saw a Z06 race at the track, it was a brand new 06 in Columbus OH, and off the line the rear axle bled everywhere - they had to push the car off the track and shut it down to clean it up. Never even launched. Broke warming the tires up.

I think people are not chiming in because this issue (Z06 vs Viper) has been beat to death and the original question is are people buying Vipers. I will be buying another soon when I find the right one. So again, yep, they are getting purchased.

My two cents again.....

John

 

[PDCjonny]

No matter what motor is put in a Vette, no matter how fast it goes and no matter how much the car rags **** up to it, the Vette will always play second fiddle to the Viper and has since 1992. 99% of the public can't tell one Vette from another, and I'll be damned if I'm going to be driving the same car that 68 year old real estate agent is driving down the block.
Many many Viper owners used to own Vettes, I had two of them. Funny, former Vette owners very often move to Vipers, but how many Viper owners go to Vettes? Practically none. Why is that? Because once you taste the power, torque and the "rock star" feel of the Viper, NO Vette can replace it at any price. You can't know till you have one. I call it the Vette eraser. Park your Vette near a Viper, and your Vette disappears. Might as well have driven a bicycle.

 

[gringoray]

Jon, great analogy and as a current 93 Vette LT1 owner, I´d say your right on target. Great post - made me laugh.

The Rookie is learning about Dodge Vipers.

Carry on.....

 

[Venomiss]

Ok,
The common sense approach says that faster is better. I think that you (all Viper owners) are all a bunch of woosies. I am going out and selling the ACR now.
My world has just fallen in around me.


I just called my local Kawasaki dealer and am getting the ZX14.....in blue.


Faster is better. Riding a bike is more difficult as well. I am MUCH more manly now that I have made this decision. Thank God I have been shown the error of my ways. Ah, the male hormones are flowing now!

9.7 seconds in the quarter mile. And I am getting the BLUE one. Remember, blue is faster. No stripes. Eat my Ninja DUST slowpokes.

I also expect to have the name of this website changed immediately to.....guys/gals who can't hack it and who drive really slow.....dot com. Perhaps dinosaur.com. Maybe Fogey.org......your collective input would be appreciated.

I will also officially go over to the Mazda Miata forum (or what ever it is) and dip the official Viper Club of America banner down to those who are better. Thats it. We lost. Game over.

I need a group hug from the Vette guys as next year, I will be sooooo inferior to them.

All in jest, of course.

I am not a "*********" Viper guy. I am just surprised there has not been more people taking a stand here.

Oh, thats right.....you are all hiding under the bed right now...look out, the big bad Z06 will get you!

I laughed so hard I choked on my water... Cynical yes, but gets the point home.

 

[CFRA7]

1) I think the performance difference you speak of is vapor. Many posts here, vids on youtube etc that show for track events any Viper is SO close to performance of C6 Zo6 as to not really be an issue. Difference is really the tires and driver in a track situation. Given the WAY lower cost of a Gen II Viper over a C6 Zo6 (I've never heard of a Zo6 under $60k - where are these secret deals) which would allow you to spend some $$$ to put monster brakes on the Viper and correct the one real gen II weakness, I see this as a non issue. Your thinking like a guy who reads magazine articles, not the driver you really are.

2) Given your ********* track use goal, you are leaving out a huge concern - robustness. No way the C6 Zo6 is sturdier overall than any Viper. One of the reasons a Viper weighs more than the Vette is it is built tougher. How many rear-end failures etc have there been in the Zo6s compared to Vipers.

Hi,

Please note I’m note here to upset Viper owners. The problem with car discussion is that some people treat it like religion or their kids. However I must make the following statement:

You don’t have a clue about the performance of cars in the real world if you are quoting youtube and various posts where some owners are more often sharing their success as opposed to their failures.

A C6 Z6 in a stock to stock race would be at around 4 seconds a lap faster around a track than a Gen II viper. It’s faster than the Gen III unless your point is that a Gen III is slower than a Gen II. Of course, this assumes that same driver with equal experience in both cars. In point of fact, the Corvette is easier to driver faster than a Gen II Viper because of all the technical stuff. A beginning driver would go a lot faster in a C6 Z06 than a Gen II Viper.

The link below may be of value. The 2006 Viper can do the course in 3:03 or 3:04. The 2007 Z06 in 2:58. The 2007 Base Corvette if as fast as the 2006 Viper……..

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/13173/the-lightning-lap-2007.html


I will certainly state that Corvette drivers on average are the worst drivers I’ve ever seen as a group and I’ve been racing for 13 years. The 911 drivers are the best. Of course the average Viper driver is much better than the average Corvette driver. Please note the key word is average.

Above you state that you have never heard of a Z06 sell for under $60K. Perhaps less time on you tube and more time doing research will be of value. Any C6 Z06 with over 15K miles should sell for under $60K. Corvettes drop rapidly in price as the miles roll on. Many Corvettes are actually driven unlike Vipers and there are more made and thus rapid depreciation. They have made 14,000 C6 Z06s. In general they have sold for more than MSRP. Supply and demand are starting to become equal as they will make at least another 7000 units in 2008. Why so many? Because there is 10x the demand for the Corvette than the Viper. That’s also why the average 2006 Viper sold for way under MSRP. This isn’t an attack on the Viper. It’s reality.

Here’s some data - ZO6's sold at auction in June - You can see in your area what the cars are really worth.

2006 ZO6's

Atlanta GA Yellow 839 Miles $64,500
Manheim PA Black 2918 $62,500
Manheim PA Black 906 Miles $63,200
Orlando FL Yellow 12,367 Miles $58,700
West Palm FL Yellow 10,681 Miles $62,600
Manheim PA Red 883 Miles $62,500
Manheim PA Black 3,081 Miles $61,800
Orlando FL Blue 12,881 Miles $60,800
Denver CO Blue 758 Miles $62,000
West Palm FL Black 3424 Miles $58,000
Riverside CA Yellow 4319 Miles $67,500

Run the math and see if I'm that far off. Next year they will all have depreciated by $1K for each 1K miles driven up-to 15K miles. Each 1K miles you put on a Z06 reduces the resale value. Most cars are fully loaded and that helps prop up the price. No 2006 Z06 with over 5K miles is worth over $70K. No 2006 Z06 with 15K miles is worth over $60K. When they hit 30K miles (like many early Gen IIs) they will sell for under $50K.

Your comment about breaks is interesting. First, both the Gen II and the Z06 have weak brakes. Both need an upgrade before being really track worthy. However, I spoke with John Archer yesterday and he feels that you need at least a 2001 Gen II for a track car. Even though the 2001 is $8K more valuable than a 2007 (with same miles), he feels that the ABS option will save you that much money in flat spotted tires over the life of the car. It will also help reduce the stopping distance in track driving. Due to his comments, I’m no longer even considering a pre-2001 GTS.

No high performance car today would dream of not having ABS. Non-ABS cars take longer to stop and as long as I can afford an ABS car, that’s the direction I’ll go. You could get by with that in the 1990’s but welcome to a new decade. Once again, I think that the Viper is worth every penny you want to spend for car shows and profiling. However, let’s not try and pretend that you could take a 10 year old Gen II GTS to the road course and line up next to a C6 Z06 and not get ***** slapped. Technology marches on. The Gen I can’t even compete with a 2007 base Corvette.

I can’t comment on your statement about robustness. I’m open to data being posted if you have any. I know the Corvette won’t win any prize for reliability. Is there a comparison somewhere? JD Power?

I’m not sure data is of any value in most car discussions. I have no axe to grind. I started with a Miata, then went to an NSX. My next car will be a Boxster S, Viper or Z06. The car after that will probably be something different. The only car I’ve ever seen that I would consider keeping for over 10 years is the Ford GT and I don’t have $150K. Even the stock Ford GT will be considered obsolete in 10 years as the performance wars continue into the 600hp and then 700hp area. Some cars you want to drive just because you love the look and don’t mind paying more for the look. I feel that way about a Ford GT or Ferrari 360. The 360 couldn’t beat a Viper but I like the look so much that I don’t mind paying more for a slower car. When it comes to a Viper vs. a Corvette, I only like the Viper look a few thousand more. At that point I’ll go with performance.

 

[CFRA7]

No matter what motor is put in a Vette, no matter how fast it goes and no matter how much the car rags **** up to it, the Vette will always play second fiddle to the Viper and has since 1992. 99% of the public can't tell one Vette from another, and I'll be damned if I'm going to be driving the same car that 68 year old real estate agent is driving down the block.
Many many Viper owners used to own Vettes, I had two of them. Funny, former Vette owners very often move to Vipers, but how many Viper owners go to Vettes? Practically none. Why is that? Because once you taste the power, torque and the "rock star" feel of the Viper, NO Vette can replace it at any price. You can't know till you have one. I call it the Vette eraser. Park your Vette near a Viper, and your Vette disappears. Might as well have driven a bicycle.

Line up on a road course with a Z06 and and it disapperars and the Viper owner may as well been driving a bicycle.

I guess Vipers are so cool, that's why they sell 10x the Z6s at the same price as the Viper. I couldn't resit that comment. I think Vipers are more cool also. I just don't think the average performace car owner agreees.

 

[agentf1]

What do you want the car for?

I had a friend that used to track Gen II Vipers and then went to a C6 Z06. He has since switched back to a Gen II Viper as he said they are better/cheaper for tracking. Didn't mention anything about which was faster but did prefer the Gen II for financial reasons.

Make a list of pro's and cons. They both have their strong points. I guess it depends on your priorities. Sound to me like you already have your mind made up and want the Z06. Go for it, you really can't go wrong either way.

 

[PDCjonny]

Line up on a road course with a Z06 and and it disapperars and the Viper owner may as well been driving a bicycle.

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[gringoray]

Where does a Lamborghini Diablo fit into this equation ....as compared to the Viper and C6? Can a Viper out run today´s latest Lamborghini Diablo?