ElDiablo Viper
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It looks like it by reading corvetteforum. Do we have any data to show Viper's race track power.
Is Z06 faster on the track than GTS?
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SapphireGTS
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Whos driving them? A Hundai probably has better track time than a viper with Stevie Wonder driving it.
ElDiablo Viper
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SapphireGTS:
Whos driving them? A Hundai probably has better track time than a viper with Stevie Wonder driving it.
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Same good driver driving both.
Whos driving them? A Hundai probably has better track time than a viper with Stevie Wonder driving it.
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Same good driver driving both.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SapphireGTS:
Whos driving them? A Hundai probably has better track time than a viper with Stevie Wonder driving it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Stevie Wonder in a Viper???
Whos driving them? A Hundai probably has better track time than a viper with Stevie Wonder driving it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Stevie Wonder in a Viper???
2tall
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What about experience in each car?
Probably a buncha Corvette owning chuckle-heads who haven't had much seat time in the Viper.
People on the board who own both say their Viper is faster....
Probably a buncha Corvette owning chuckle-heads who haven't had much seat time in the Viper.
People on the board who own both say their Viper is faster....
SoCal Rebell
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Stock for stock it's too close, it comes down to what track and who's driving. Drivers being equal the Viper would be faster at Willow Springs but the Z06 would be faster on the tighter Streets of Willow.
toddt
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by No Mercy:
I think the issue is, which car is easier to go fast in. I believe that if you take "Joe the Guy", and drop him in each car for a lap or two he will do better in the Z06. The Viper, while faster, needs more driver skill/experience to go fast in.
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Just to show that I'm not just a viper ****, and that I have a brain, I agree with No Mercy 1000%.
The Viper is hard to drive fast in the beginning.
I think Ron (SoCalRebell) is one of the most qualified to answer this question since he just edged a Z06 in a seven day race, but No Mercy speaks truth.
With the TCS and the probably-better ABS and the lower torque (still very high for a new driver, but the TCS takes care of him) you are not going to spin your Corvette, even on your first day.
On the other hand, if you start to push your viper hard for the first time, eventually you WILL spin. Then you'll be scared, and drive slower. Most of the viper owners I've spoken to directly on this board have spun at least once.
Like in the sport of motorcycling, I've found personally that Vipers come down to throttle control to keep the car on the road.
I think the issue is, which car is easier to go fast in. I believe that if you take "Joe the Guy", and drop him in each car for a lap or two he will do better in the Z06. The Viper, while faster, needs more driver skill/experience to go fast in.
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Just to show that I'm not just a viper ****, and that I have a brain, I agree with No Mercy 1000%.
The Viper is hard to drive fast in the beginning.
I think Ron (SoCalRebell) is one of the most qualified to answer this question since he just edged a Z06 in a seven day race, but No Mercy speaks truth.
With the TCS and the probably-better ABS and the lower torque (still very high for a new driver, but the TCS takes care of him) you are not going to spin your Corvette, even on your first day.
On the other hand, if you start to push your viper hard for the first time, eventually you WILL spin. Then you'll be scared, and drive slower. Most of the viper owners I've spoken to directly on this board have spun at least once.
Like in the sport of motorcycling, I've found personally that Vipers come down to throttle control to keep the car on the road.
SapphireGTS
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The Z06 is one H3LL of a car. I would say its up in the air and would be a close race on a tight track. I think the Z06 can consistently pull over 1 lateral G.
In the 1/4 mile id put my money on the Viper.
In the 1/4 mile id put my money on the Viper.
Easy answer! Stock VS Stock:
Drag Strip = VIPER
Road Course = VIPER
Proof? Absolutely, our NJ region has had plenty of drag times and our stock Vipers can run 11.8 - 11.9 out of the showroom!
...and at Pocono, during our open track days, there NEVER was a Z06 that could last competitively for more than a lap!
Drag Strip = VIPER
Road Course = VIPER
Proof? Absolutely, our NJ region has had plenty of drag times and our stock Vipers can run 11.8 - 11.9 out of the showroom!
...and at Pocono, during our open track days, there NEVER was a Z06 that could last competitively for more than a lap!
Adam,
Remember the red ZO6 at Watkins Glen that if not for the active handling would have lost it in turn one as I was on his tail and I did not lose it and then proceeded to pass him a lap later it was very close but it has to come down to the driver in the end.
Remember the red ZO6 at Watkins Glen that if not for the active handling would have lost it in turn one as I was on his tail and I did not lose it and then proceeded to pass him a lap later it was very close but it has to come down to the driver in the end.
ElDiablo Viper
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GONABITE:
Adam,
Remember the red ZO6 at Watkins Glen that if not for the active handling would have lost it in turn one as I was on his tail and I did not lose it and then proceeded to pass him a lap later it was very close but it has to come down to the driver in the end.
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yeah, he was angry because he could not stay with me too
Adam,
Remember the red ZO6 at Watkins Glen that if not for the active handling would have lost it in turn one as I was on his tail and I did not lose it and then proceeded to pass him a lap later it was very close but it has to come down to the driver in the end.
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yeah, he was angry because he could not stay with me too
PartsRack is a proud sponsor of CARDIAC RACING's 1998 Viper GTS in SCCA T-1.
T-1 is a "virtually stock" class that pits Vipers vs Corvettes.
Driver/Owner Roger Stark was regional champ last year, and won every race he entered save one. Sears?
2 Z-06s and some C-5s were nipping all year, but not too close.
This year, a 405-HP Z06 entered the field, with a GOOD driver. 3 races so far, Viper won. Two T-1 National races this weekend at SIR Seattle, and we will report back.
T-1 is a "virtually stock" class that pits Vipers vs Corvettes.
Driver/Owner Roger Stark was regional champ last year, and won every race he entered save one. Sears?
2 Z-06s and some C-5s were nipping all year, but not too close.
This year, a 405-HP Z06 entered the field, with a GOOD driver. 3 races so far, Viper won. Two T-1 National races this weekend at SIR Seattle, and we will report back.
Hoosier Daddy
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Check the Mid Ohio Viper Days Super Stock results. When I first started driving my Viper on the track. Kevin Preston was my instructor for some events. I was able to post a one lap time better than him there with his Z06. Throughout the two days we had very similar times within .5 seconds. I consider him a far better driver than me but the Viper torque and HP made up for my short comings.
Chuck 98 RT/10
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JonB - PartsRack:
T-1 is a "virtually stock" class that pits Vipers vs Corvettes.
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Well, not exactly. Vipers have restrictor plates.
T-1 is a "virtually stock" class that pits Vipers vs Corvettes.
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Well, not exactly. Vipers have restrictor plates.
Performin Norman
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I would say that on a very very tight track, that Z06 would get the nod. On any road course where there are slightly longer straights or sweepers, the Viper would run away from the Z06. In a straight line the Viper is quicker.
Now, if you put a novice driver in each one, the Z06 is much easier to drive. Put an experienced driver in each and the Viper will pull pretty ******* the Z06.
Both are wonderful cars. Each has its own great characteristics. I would hate to have to give one up.
Now, if you put a novice driver in each one, the Z06 is much easier to drive. Put an experienced driver in each and the Viper will pull pretty ******* the Z06.
Both are wonderful cars. Each has its own great characteristics. I would hate to have to give one up.
V10 MOJO
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i think viper has potential to take either type of race; 1/4 mile or road course. although i think driver experinece would be more factor in roadcourse to beat vette. and i agree w/toddt; ive spun like a ballerina; several times. cant let it scare you, just hopefully it teaches you to repsect the car
Performin Norman
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I got a chance to see quite a few Vipers in action at last weeks Viper days. I also saw a Z06 and a Mallet 435 (or whatever it was called) run. One particular note. The Vipers and the Corvettes handled great and were flat as a pancake thru the turns. There was a modded 4th Generation mustang running also. When he went to brake, the front end would dive and the back wheel would come way up yielding to lots of tire squeal. Just thought I would add that info.
Jerry Dobson
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Norman knows....not sure if you guys caught it....he owns both a new Z06 and a Viper.
toddt
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Motor City Mad Man
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NO!!!! Raced a Z06 at the track last year twice and both times I beat him by .5 seconds in the 1/4. That seems to be the concensus, .5 seconds, plus my GTS looks better than a Vette any day.
Craig 201 MPH
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hmm, I'd say NO!
Chuck 98 RT/10
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ElDiablo Viper
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Jim Hodel
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I was able to pass a Z06 at last weeks Laguna Seca Ferrari Club day (driving our 99 GTS), but so much depends on how hard the driver is willing to push that I can't draw specific conclusions. His car had GM 'T1' suspension and I have Stoptech front brakes. I was running in the Intermediate group so it is probable that I was simply willing to drive harder.
I was also able to pass a number of Ferraris, but won't draw conclusions about that either, for the same reasons.
My wife and I also have an 01 Z06. I suppose I should do a back to back test sometime. I have been running PIR (Portland) a lot in my Z28 on racing tires and the best times I have seen for Vipers and Z06s in the advanced groups are quite close.
Jim
I was also able to pass a number of Ferraris, but won't draw conclusions about that either, for the same reasons.
My wife and I also have an 01 Z06. I suppose I should do a back to back test sometime. I have been running PIR (Portland) a lot in my Z28 on racing tires and the best times I have seen for Vipers and Z06s in the advanced groups are quite close.
Jim
