ok got em on- from ground to lowest part of fender,measureing from middle of wheel(center) 26 and a quarter front and 28 rear- this is on a alighnment rack where it is level perfectly, car rides and drives excellent, its never driven like this- now i feel safe at a spirited speed- the stock shock piston is as big as your pinki, the kw2 is the size of your thumb or a little bigger- never again will i have a stock shock- measuring from center of wheel meaning yardstick running up through middle from ground to bottom of fenders