Looking for some 3D wheel designs.

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This thread is very cool. Please keep up the good work.

That's cool, thanks. Hey if anyone wants to prompt a challenge for entertainment, anything.. even some twisted 3D complex shape (more than the 2D profiles previously), toss the idea out, I'll try to model it.

Here's some more variants tonight.. last I call the "12 finger claw". Funny how if the profiles are manipulated, what shapes evolve from the intersections..

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That's cool, ok.. double them up tonight..

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Hey Mike, amazing work you're doing with this! Amazing detail and design too. Is it possible to see the bottom wheel in your "double them up" post on a Viper? Say a 2000 black RT/10 photoshopped or something? Hope to see your car at the events this summer!

-Steve
 

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Thanks Steve. I could probably do that, you know that last wheel is becoming a personal favorite, it has a BBS theme to it, the Y spokes blended into it. Unfortunately I don't hit many of the VCO events (actually never been to one other than our summer Wednesday Haugens cruise nights).. call me a hermit (actually work too much).

Here's an example of an extreme 3D challenge I suggested, ala 6 Viper heads! :omg:

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Is there a way to then mock these up onto the car pics somehow?

Some of these designs (most in fact) look great, it would be cool to them on the cars...
 

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Ok 488civ10, now that you peaked my interest tonight, here's a modification I just made to to the 2000 wheel, a personal design.. keeping the concave shape, but tossing the conventional 5 spokes for 6, to match the wheel stud pattern. I tend to think 5 spoke Cragars, Slots etc.. and 5 bolt patterns are becoming obsolete, is it the 5 point Pentastar that maintains the 5 spoke theme.. hmmm.. Anyway, here's the new design in different color schemes too, no bling bling gold this time. :2tu:

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I really liked that 6-spoke wheel but could you changed it with more depth in it ? ( very deep )
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Jorgen / Sweden
 

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I really liked that 6-spoke wheel but could you changed it with more depth in it ? ( very deep )
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Jorgen / Sweden

Here you go Jorgen, btw I have relatives in Goteborg, been there many years ago.. most
relatives are in Finland..
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I had a local wheel manufacturer in the bay area test the rear wheel that was a damaged one donated to me, and they put 2,000 pounds on the end of a 6 foot pole and mounted it to the wheel, and cycled it 100,000 times, to look for cracking, and there was no cracking. But I still decided to only have it on my car because of potential liability problems. I did not want my manufacturing company to go up in smoke from making 100 sets of wheels, and possibly making $50,000 in profit only to see it disappear, when one lawsuit for millions would wipe me out. You see all of the crashes talked about on this site, and if one happens, and they can not figure out why, and then they see the wheels were modified from OEM, and they decide to blame them, even thought that was not the reason, well you get my drift. So I stuck to machining valve covers, and third brake light covers, and jewelry and trivets for the women. Not much liability there???

It's an interesting result Dennis. I ran a quick analysis tonight (took about 10 minutes to complete with a coarse mesh) on stress on both designs, general aluminum material, well over 1500 lbs of a lateral load around the rim (noting the tire patch contact moment is applied on the tire diameter), but for a rudimentary test.. here are the 3D graphical stress mapped results.

The original wheel has very rigid spokes, so the wheel does not flex around the spokes, therefore flexing mostly around the hub section, the region in red is exposed to the most stress.

In your cutout design, the spokes are now more flexible, soaking up more of the stress from the hub section, and the peak stresses are in the corners of the dog bone cutouts. This material stress is much higher than the stock wheel, compare the values. I predict this is where the rim would crack. Don't compare the colors by color quantity, compare the values associated to the colors and distribution of the stress. Peak stress is 4.65 on the stock wheel and 7.88 on the modified wheel, which is almost double. Therefore, the immediate conclusion is that this cutout wheel is much weaker regarding this dirty analysis. Obviously yield strength of material is unknown, but these values are going way beyond typical yield strength of typical untreated forged aluminum material.

For others not familiar with design / engineering.. the goal is to distribute stress throughout the part. The solution is not always to stiffen a region that is under high stress, the solution may be to remove material in other areas to help relieve stress in weaker areas. Stress is internal / surface material pressure / compression or tension. Yet, in this case, removing material is this location of the spokes has negative effects.

I would definitely not recommend cutting your wheels. This is just a quick illustrated analysis on a random CAD model that does not represent the real part or material properties & thickness, the stress is very high and may crack, and there are many other tests and dynamic situations (i.e. turning while hitting a *** hole) required to determine & validate strength of a part.


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Here's some results on the previous quick designs.. as you can see the peak concentrated stress is 6.80 for the Y multi spoke, 6.45 for the 6 spoke and 6.25 for the 12 spoke wheel, so they all still need some work to be as strong as the stock 2000 wheel design that had a low stress value of 4.65

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IT'S A CRAZY WORK !!!! LOVE IT !!!!

SPECIALY ABOUT THE 6 VIPERS HEADS !!!GGGGrRRRAAAOOOWWWW!!!!

Thanks forthe pics '2000 Black RT10'
 

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Thanks le66.:2tu:

Ok, here's the new style I sketched up tonight with the ol' sneaky pete..

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Nice lesson in strenght/construction technology.

This is exactly why I posted my concerns earlier.
When you make a hole in something, it weakens the strength because of the hole.... there is a bolt pattern check because of this in the Netherlands.
But..... I wasn't good in Maths so I decided to not continue on that path and become a general engineer instead.
 

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AAAAARRRRRGHHH !!!! YOU'RE KILLED MY EYES !!!! STOP PLEASED STOP !!!!! :crazy2:

No of corse,let's going on this crazy work,like in a moment if I can built something with these exercices :D

Thanks 2"'B-RT-10 :headbang:
 

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If I could only follow what you're doing and explaining, Mike!! LOL...but I'm loving your creations~~keep 'em coming!!! (LOVE the black deep-well design--ANY of the black wheels here are great to look at!)
~juli
 

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This doesnt totally apply to this thread, but im drawing a Gen 1 Viper in Autodesk Inventor 11 in my spare time (Im a student), thought id share:

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Aaaaaarrrrrrg!! this thread killed me :crazy2: definitively....

That's INCREDIBLE who you can do with this process!!!!!

Chris. :headbang:
 

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Maybe we should rename this thread "CAD gone MAD"! Great work guys! You can really appreciate this if you have ever tried to create a 3D model.

Keep it going!
 

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Here you go Jorgen, btw I have relatives in Goteborg, been there many years ago.. most
relatives are in Finland..
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Hi Mike !
That looks awesome !!
To bad that this wheel doesent exist.
Perhaps you should start a business as a wheel designer.:rolleyes:

/ Jorgen, Sweden
 

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Glad you enjoyed the CAD stuff for what it's worth. :2tu: Here's a new design tonight I was tinkering around with.. yet it's uni-directional.

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.. and here is the weakest part of the spokes (red is the highest stress), same quick analysis as before (over 1500 lbs pushing and pulling on edge of rim).

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Hey Mike, I remember reading that the '96 wheels from the RT/10 and GTS are made of cast aluminum or something along that line. Can you possibly show us how the forged aluminum is higher strength vs the cast material with CAD?

-Steve

PS: The new wheel design you made reminds me of the C4 Vette rim offered.
 

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This doesnt totally apply to this thread, but im drawing a Gen 1 Viper in Autodesk Inventor 11 in my spare time (Im a student), thought id share:

That is cool, good job! :2tu:

If I could only tell you about the latest stuff I work on (cars) Jorgen, my exp is in body design / surfacing. GTSRboy2000 - If you enjoy the work, you will do well (mind you the work is not as plentiful in NA due to offshore outsourcing), take some CATIA classes, over 80% of the automotive industry use it such as Chrysler, Ford, Ferrari, Honda, Porsche, BMW, VW, Volvo, Toyota, as well as Boeing and many others. The other popular CAD system is NX (IDEAS & Unigraphics merged) which is used at GM, also popular in military, aerospace, submarines, applications.

If you are interested in the CAD / design / engineering career and wish to seek any advice, feel free to let me know.
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2000-Black-RT-10,when I have time,I try to built one wheel with Snake'heads in slow scale....I think in 1/12 scale....for the moment I'm busy of work and at next week,I'm going in hospital for a little problem,but when I will be with my eyes OPEN,I make some scketchs of the Snakes heads to do them in the good scale for my minis Viper"s.....:2tu:

News as possible for me....

Chris. :headbang:
 

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Merci Chris and I hope you have a very short trip, unlike a vacation. I could do a better snake head rim, thinking of whipping a tail into it. Steve, I could try to show the different stress distribution for forged vs cast, in a general sense. I wasn't too keen on the last wheel so I made a new one today. Thanks Ratical2 & A99SilverACR.

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For those that like black (i.e. Juli), a medieval type of display..

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These are so cool!!!:2tu:but would be bear to clean.one would have to wear gloves to keep from being bitten.:D
Thanks Steve. I could probably do that, you know that last wheel is becoming a personal favorite, it has a BBS theme to it, the Y spokes blended into it. Unfortunately I don't hit many of the VCO events (actually never been to one other than our summer Wednesday Haugens cruise nights).. call me a hermit (actually work too much).

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Yes fangs would be entertaining to clean.

Ok, here's a new one tonight. For anyone interested in the stress stuff.. check out the GIF Stress / Video below, it demonstrates the forces and deflection under load creating the stress (this is an exaggerated animation to illustrate how the deformation is acting). I added the raised star shape pads intentionally to strengthen the this spokes, note the stress is nearly distributed throughout the spoke, so with a bit of optimization this would be a nice strong wheel design.

4.6 MEG GIF video
http://www.wincom.net/mnllehti/Deep_Star_Stress_GIF_03_02_2008.gif

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The "medieval" is awesome !!! Hard look for "a bad SRT-10 girl" with mat or satin body paint.... gggrrrr!!

Chris.
 

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Bonjour Chris, I just added some "fangs" to the last design to add some more ggrrrr.. attitude.. :omg:

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The dark cave where these designs come from..

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Better rez images of above..
http://www.wincom.net/mnllehti/Deep_Star_Teeth_11.jpg
http://www.wincom.net/mnllehti/Deep_Star_Teeth_12.jpg
http://www.wincom.net/mnllehti/Deep_Star_Teeth_13.jpg
http://www.wincom.net/mnllehti/Deep_Star_Teeth_14.jpg
http://www.wincom.net/mnllehti/Deep_Star_Teeth_15.jpg
 
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