Melted plug boots - opinions?

[dave6666]

Jon at Parts Rack told me when I was installing my wires I did not need the stock shields, nor the aftermarket ceramic sleeves. Well 3 months and 3K miles later, ta-da!

Engine is basically stock, and it had stock headers/shields during this time.

Are the ceramic sleeves needed to prevent this?

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[2snakes4us]

Dave, do those have a life time warrenty like AB Wires?

 

[Viper Specialty]

you really need some protection. Slip-On boots or stock heat sheilds will work fine.... running without either, I would not recomend.

 

[ILLSMOQ]

Jon at Parts Rack told me when I was installing my wires I did not need the stock shields, nor the aftermarket ceramic sleeves. Well 3 months and 3K miles later, ta-da!

Engine is basically stock, and it had stock headers/shields during this time.

Are the ceramic sleeves needed to prevent this?

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***** that you got bad info.

I've been using the factory heat shields with the short sleeves that came with my wires...I've noticed they seem to be affected a bit still by the heat.

I just bought these and I'll swap them in this weekend

Design Engineering, Inc. (DEI) 010511 - DEI Protect-A-Boots - summitracing.com

and these

Design Engineering, Inc. (DEI) 010512 - DEI Protect-A-Boots - summitracing.com

 

[Steve-Indy]

I have certainly seen that with headers (with and without track time)...though only occasionally have I personally seen similar problems with stock cars.

Have you been pushing it hard in the Texas heat ?

Seriously, you may want to give a call to "ab" and get a set of his wires for your next (and last??) set.

NOW would be a good time to jump in here, Adam !!

 

[dave6666]

I knew this would turn into an ab thread, as well as some feedback on my problem.

First off, no hard feelings toward Jon B if it was a bad idea. I still consider his opinions valuable.

Yes, it is hot in Texas, and yes I drive like an idiot at all opportunities.

The Magnecor wires have a lifetime warranty, and I spoke to them today. I'm gonna send them back, and I'm guessing they'll put new boots on. They said they could. We'll see.

If ab would have replied to the emails I sent to his business via ebay, I would have bought his wires. But after 3 no answers, Quality Wires was put on the list of businesses that I don't buy from. It is real simple... You ignore me, I ignore you.

 

[grcforce327]

These will help.

Spark plug boot heat protectors,thermal boots,plug wire sleeve,wire sleeving, 8mm,9mm,10mm,auto,truck,car,marine,race,wire protector sleeve,

 

[ViperTony]

It ***** you toasted your wires. I think you'll find that the Belanger headers run much cooler compared to stock. I've been running AB's wires, no heat shields, no spark plug shields without issue. Although, I just installed AB's spark plug protectors for extra measure.

 

[plumcrazy]

this wouldn't have happened with AB's wires and if i did, he'd take care of it......

 

[DrumrBoy]

I run the DEI boots from summit and they work fine to protect the wires. A tad poser and annoyingly long....tough to route them in the loom on some plugs but it can be done. I went with the red, if I had it to do over I'd get the black or gray to lessen the poser effect.

 

[cudavip]

Jon at Parts Rack told me when I was installing my wires I did not need the stock shields, nor the aftermarket ceramic sleeves. Well 3 months and 3K miles later, ta-da!

Engine is basically stock, and it had stock headers/shields during this time.

Are the ceramic sleeves needed to prevent this?

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Wait a minute, you were told you do not need any heat protection for your plug wires on a stock car, then why does 1) the car have it on there in the first place
2) with headers its a no brainer, (not that you have em)
3) hood vents and side vents are not for show they are functional
added protection is a must with the kinda heat the V10 gives off.
Get a free replacement set or buy elsewhere. (you don't need heat protection on the plug wires its a street car its gonna sit there and cook )

 

[Qualitywires.com]

Dave,

I don't remembering seeing any emails from you at all. I answer all my emails. Sorry I am on your ignore list. Never would ignore you. If you had a set of my wires that had that issue I would have replaced them all with no questions asked and not put you through the hassle of having to send your wires back to have the boots put back on. To me that is asking too much of the customer and a hassle. I try to make all experience with me a good one. Let me know if I can help you out.

personal email: [email protected]

 

[dave6666]

Wait a minute, you were told you do not need any heat protection for your plug wires on a stock car, then why does 1) the car have it on there in the first place
2) with headers its a no brainer, (not that you have em)
3) hood vents and side vents are not for show they are functional
added protection is a must with the kinda heat the V10 gives off.
Get a free replacement set or buy elsewhere. (you don't need heat protection on the plug wires its a street car its gonna sit there and cook )

I do in principle agree with the concept that the OE wires came with the metal shields. But when I called Jon about those obnoxious little cylinders-O-metal, he said the Magnecor wires had superior boots and would be OK. I threw the OE heat shields away on the way to the fridge for a refill.

Once again, no hard feelings to Parts Rack at all for what might have been ill advise, but it's looking like heat shields are the way to go.

 

[Qualitywires.com]

Dave PM me your address and I will send you a free set of boot protectors for your magnacore wires which will be good upto 1200 degrees. No charge.

 

[dave6666]

Dave,

I don't remembering seeing any emails from you at all. I answer all my emails. Sorry I am on your ignore list. Never would ignore you. If you had a set of my wires that had that issue I would have replaced them all with no questions asked and not put you through the hassle of having to send your wires back to have the boots put back on. To me that is asking too much of the customer and a hassle. I try to make all experience with me a good one. Let me know if I can help you out.

personal email: [email protected]

Your business is through ebay. I used their "Contact Seller" feature. You should get an email from them, as well as a "Seller has questions" count next to your auction.

I had no idea who you were at the time, and certainly had no idea what your email address was.

Quite honestly, my question was, are these the same wires I see being oo'd and ah'd all the time over at the Alley. I was not a member or even a guest of this forum at that time.

 

[Qualitywires.com]

Yes, they are the same wires.

Many of the tuners have installed them on their customer cars.

DLM
SVS
Underground Racing
Viper Specialty
Tator Dodge
and many more.

Main thing about the wires is that I will back up my product and make sure everyone is happy with the experience. I just try to do everything in my power to have a happy customer.

 

[JonB]

..........The Magnecor wires have a lifetime warranty, and I spoke to them today. I'm gonna send them back, and I'm guessing they'll put new boots on. They said they could. We'll see.......

Within 30 minutes of Dave6666 inquiry we provided in writing warranty and contact info to him, and posted on line in the other thread about this.

I just checked our inventory records to see that we have sold 276 sets of MagnaCor Viper wires in the past 3 years, as well as use them ourselves. Dave (or anyone) can ask our MagnaCor contact for the warranty activity on this EXCELLENT wire. You will find we have had 2 single wires submitted ad replaced in past 3 years. and now DOUBLE that on ONE CAR!

In my opinion, sumthin weird happened with the boot-batch on this set, or with an "event" (like a fluid spill, or ?) in Dave's car. Despite the roasing, I suspect they still ran fine? In any case, not only the name-brand major Manufacturer as well as PartsRack will stand behind the wires, and LIFETIME WARRANTY of Magnacor is likely longer than mine....

I am sorry for your grief of waiting for a MagnaSwap, but I think that is handled......

 

[Steve-Indy]

Admittedly, with Magnacors on 3 of our Vipers...we have had NO problems...BUT, I'm old, and likely drive much less aggressively than some Texans.

JonB...I also wondered about "an event" playing a role. Do you suppose one of the Lone Star Brothers tried to roast a big under the hood at a track day to save a little time??

 

[plumcrazy]

i also bought a set 5 years ago from jonB and never had a problem. i just wanted a nice new set on my engine so i got AB's. but never had a problem with the magnecors

 

[chimazo]

I'm running Magnacores as well, but I shoved the boots back into the metal heat shields (but that was only because my shields have seemingly cooked themselves into the plug holes and I didn't want to mangle them attempting their removal).

 

[DAMN YANKEE]

Dave, looks like you have a lot of support out there. I use Abs wires and have the additional boots on them (from Ab) and then go as far as to cover those as well with the Summit covers (see the Illustrated Guide). Youll need Abs lower plug boots as the Summit units ride up on the wires and you will be right back where you were with stock wires and your heat.

 

[dave6666]

I'm running Magnacores as well, but I shoved the boots back into the metal heat shields (but that was only because my shields have seemingly cooked themselves into the plug holes and I didn't want to mangle them attempting their removal).

Then how in the world do you change your plugs?

Try some Liquid Wrench BTW.

 

[dave6666]

..........The Magnecor wires have a lifetime warranty, and I spoke to them today. I'm gonna send them back, and I'm guessing they'll put new boots on. They said they could. We'll see.......

Within 30 minutes of Dave6666 inquiry we provided in writing warranty and contact info to him, and posted on line in the other thread about this.

I just checked our inventory records to see that we have sold 276 sets of MagnaCor Viper wires in the past 3 years, as well as use them ourselves. Dave (or anyone) can ask our MagnaCor contact for the warranty activity on this EXCELLENT wire. You will find we have had 2 single wires submitted ad replaced in past 3 years. and now DOUBLE that on ONE CAR!

In my opinion, sumthin weird happened with the boot-batch on this set, or with an "event" (like a fluid spill, or ?) in Dave's car. Despite the roasing, I suspect they still ran fine? In any case, not only the name-brand major Manufacturer as well as PartsRack will stand behind the wires, and LIFETIME WARRANTY of Magnacor is likely longer than mine....

I am sorry for your grief of waiting for a MagnaSwap, but I think that is handled......

Jon is correct in the fact that Magnecor is responding to this. I do not anticipate them balking at repairing the wires with fresh boots, but I do not have the personal experience of 276 sets sold under the Parts Rack Viper Red Arches. So I'm assuming they'll fix them for now.

Jon is also correct that his response was fast to my inquiry about this happening.

As far as fluid leaks or other weirdness? Pics taken right before disassembly when I discovered problem. Actually putting on headers and always take pics before I start. The 1-9 side.

Not quite spotless full poser clean, but no leaks or weirdness.

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[grcforce327]

After many incidences,why take a chance with the PS cap???

 

[dave6666]

After many incidences,why take a chance with the PS cap???

I've had a Big Brakes puke can ($200.00!) setting on my to do shelf for a while now.

Some day...

 

[Steve 00RT/10]

The puke can won't fix the PS cap problem. You need this for that:
HipoEngineering.COM This can be bought from vendors on this site as well. Craig is a VCA member.

As a side note. I've never had an issue with any over heated wires from using the stock metal shields and no boots. I use stock wires from the Wizard on the hard running high miler car, and have Abs colored wires on the other pampered car. I easily go 20-30,000 miles between wire changes and the wires are still very pliable with no sign of heat degradation. ...And that's with no header heat shields on a Belanger headered, SC car.

Steve

 

[dave6666]

The puke can won't fix the PS cap problem. You need this for that:
HipoEngineering.COM This can be bought from vendors on this site as well. Craig is a VCA member.

As a side note. I've never had an issue with any over heated wires from using the stock metal shields and no boots. I use stock wires from the Wizard on the hard running high miler car, and have Abs colored wires on the other pampered car. I easily go 20-30,000 miles between wire changes and the wires are still very pliable with no sign of heat degradation. ...And that's with no header heat shields on a Belanger headered, SC car.

Steve

Oh yes the Big Brakes puke can does fix the cap from coming off. And does not puke the fluid on the engine if it does puke.

On your wires you do shield them if I understand you correctly, so that may be your success. The stock metal shields are indeed that, a heat shield. As I was told by Jon I needed neither the stock metal shield or ceramic sleeves, I went bare. I have no idea what Jon will tell the next guy, but I know he is aware of this issue that I had.

I'm just trying to get an answer now on the ceramic sleeves, as some have said they will ride up the wires contrary to gravity. All my answers at this point have been advertising plugs for ab.

I'm sure ab makes a great product and those that use it are happy to tell others, but technical problems do not get solved by advertising plugs. No pun intended.

 

[grcforce327]

technical problems do not get solved by advertising plugs. No pun intended.

You are right Dave! They are solved by others who create a far superior product!

 

[ViperTony]

[quoteI'm sure ab makes a great product and those that use it are happy to tell others, but technical problems do not get solved by advertising plugs. No pun intended.[/quote]

Rather than looking at the AB's wires responses as advertising (wasn't my intention at all) look at AB's wires for the technical solution. His was simple (though not really needed). He provides sleeves that slip over the plug boots. I have them on my set. The shield does not ride up the wire at all. They can be bonded on but I don't think its necessary:

I'm thinking the solution to you problem is a simple set of these heat shielding sleeves...

 

[dave6666]

I'm thinking the solution to you problem is a simple set of these heat shielding sleeves...

Right... I'm starting to get that. And since I have plug wires, all I need is the sleeves, that are available from where?