Just wait like a year... 10-15k off is a little dream like, in the short term. There are confirmed people with cash in hand 20k premiums on the car (won't name names).
I've been waiting for the price of an H2 to come down, this is a car with 30k being made the first year, it's been 3 months, people are still getting premiums (not much admittedly), used ones are going for list and above (due to no wait, presumably)...
If you want one, get one through the cert process, if you don't, don't but certainly don't count on getting a bargain anytime soon.