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Hey Guys,

I'd like to get some points of view regarding the following situation:

I've been saving to buy a viper for some time now. I have my mind set on a 2008 venom red SRT10 vert :drive:, which as of today will cost me anything between 57000 and 65000, and I'd like to pay cash for it, I don't like financing, owing money or paying interest.

Two months ago I had about 36k saved for the car so I still had a good 6-9 months of waiting and saving money in my future. This is money I'm specifically saving to get the car (more money is there for other important things in life). I kind of got desperate and though I could make some fast money in the stock market, had bad luck, made some bad investments and set my self back a couple months since I lost about 8000 (slowly recovering money now). This means that unless I can turn my luck around it will now take me anywhere between 9-12 months to save enough to buy the car.

A couple days ago I found a very nice c5 2002 corvette convertible for sale locally that will cost me 1/3th of what my dream car is... I know the car don't even come close to compare to the viper. This is not a viper vs corvette thread. Viper wins hands down even if we were talking of a c6 ZR1... However I've been very tempted to buy the vette and drive it until I save enough money for the SRT10. Currently I have a good low power daily driver but not a fun car (my DD is not as nice as the c5 which could be my new a daily driver) so I'm wondering if I should be strong, wait and save to get the SRT10 I really want or just get the vette (which I really like) for now and buy the SRT10 later (maybe one or two years from now).

My greatest fear though is that if I get the corvette I could potentially deviate from my path and never get the viper, for several reasons: too many cars..., may be I'll fell in love with the gen5 in april and decide it's worth to wait until I can afford one instead of going with the gen4, heck maybe the corvette c7 would be so nice that I'd think that's the way to go (unlikely but you never know).

I guess I could also get the 08 in a few months and finance the rest to reduce the wait... Or may be robe a bank...:headbang::nono:

I know I'll be the one taking the decision at the end and I don't really need of anyone to tell me what to do but I'd certainly appreciate reading through different points of view from any viper owner or enthusiast. :eater:
 

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You'll regret it every day if you buy the Vette. Especially just a C5 model.

I'm like you are as far as not financing anything that I consider a "toy", but if I had known about PenFed credit union before I plunked down the cash for my car, I would have financed it. They were (maybe still are) offer used car loans for something like 2% interest up to 60 or 72 months. As much as I hate payments, for paying 2% interest, I probably would have gone that route and kept my cash for other opportunities could come along. Depending on where their rates are when I buy something new, I will probably go with them in the future.

For that "cheap" of money and the amount you seem to be able to set aside each month to go towards your "Viper fund", I would put what you've got down on your dream car. I'm not sure where you live, but if your driving season is already coming to close anyway, hold off until Jan or so and prices will probably be at the lowest point of the year.
 
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I'd like to know what you do for a living where you can accumulate $21,000 in 6 to 9 months. Man, I am so outclassed on this forum.
 

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If you are only 1 year away from your "dream car" ... stay the course

Yes, the vette would probably be fun, but it isn't what you really want ... if you can't show some discipline for this short range goal, you're going to have problems down the road.
 

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Quit playing the stock market. Find your Viper. Put downpayment that you have left and finance the rest. Enjoy!
 

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Wasn't there a red 08' with stripes that had pretty low miles in the classifieds a week or two ago, & from the pics it looked really nice (I think the owner had some health issues). Cause I couldn't believe the price.
 

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Save up and pay it all off at once. It took me over a year but I am so happy to have it paid for.
 

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Agreed, DON'T deviate from your original plan. You will enjoy it even more, knowing the extra sacrifice it took. Financing a toy is foolish.
 

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what camfab said and i'll add, a C5 vette is going to be a big disappointment if you had your heart set on a viper. wait, save, buy.

and if you buy the C5, you will lose more money, making it harder to pay for the viper.
 

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Tony,

As some have pointed out, there are 08s out there for less than you are suggesting is your target price. The true value of VCA "brotherhood" may help you reach your goals earlier than you expect. Keep an eye on our classifieds, autotrader, cars.com, ebay, etc.. and when you see something that looks interesting (be alert, as there are many scams... if it's too good to be true.....), find a local VCA member that is willing to give it a thorough inspection.

Also, keep in mind that if your anxiousness gets the best of you (and your wallet hasn't hit the mark yet), there are plenty of gen3 SRT-10 verts available with very low mileage, and obviously a significantly lower selling price (with all the uniqueness of a Viper... and with performance that will clearly outshine a C5... and even most C6 Corvettes).
 

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I've got an 08 Venom Red Convertible. Trust me. You will not regret waiting to get what you really want. Prices will likely come down in the next year as the new Gen V is introduced. Resist the temptation to settle.

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Those pangs of regret will hit big the first time you pull into a local car show and there are ten of your exact same Vette already there.
Part of the fun of having a Viper is the unique-ness. Doesn't exist with vettes. They are everywhere.
 

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I'm like you in that I don't go into debt for items like cars, but if you can find cheap money out there, like a very low percentage loan that can be paid off early without penalty...then put what you have down and finance the rest.
 

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I assume your are either making pretty good money, or living for free. I would suggest financing the car, or buying a GTS :D.

So you played the stock market and lost a bit. You now know what your money is worth correct? Would you tie up your money for 3-5 years at 3 1/2% interestest? My guess is NO. I understand you don't like making payments, owing money, or paying interest but it just make sense in your case. If you finance the car and pay it off in a year like your set to do you will only end up paying around 1-3K in interest and finance fees anyways???? Your willing to loose by putting into the stock market with is almost a sure bet most do lose.

Just buy the dang car!!!
 

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buy it now, you'll enjoy it enough you dont care about writing that check every month.
 

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tony the cool man has to be selling drugs! i could never save 36 k in 10 years let alone in 10 months$$$$
 

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bite the bullet and buy the Viper. If you can save so much money for a hobby, you can do the same thing with a car note, just pay it off in 9 months like you planned.
 
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You'll regret it every day if you buy the Vette. Especially just a C5 model.

I'm like you are as far as not financing anything that I consider a "toy", but if I had known about PenFed credit union before I plunked down the cash for my car, I would have financed it. They were (maybe still are) offer used car loans for something like 2% interest up to 60 or 72 months. As much as I hate payments, for paying 2% interest, I probably would have gone that route and kept my cash for other opportunities could come along. Depending on where their rates are when I buy something new, I will probably go with them in the future.

For that "cheap" of money and the amount you seem to be able to set aside each month to go towards your "Viper fund", I would put what you've got down on your dream car. I'm not sure where you live, but if your driving season is already coming to close anyway, hold off until Jan or so and prices will probably be at the lowest point of the year.

It's good to know about penfed, I might resort to them if I get desperate while trying to save the money. Ideally though I'd rather not owe anyone, you just never know when things are going to change, if I were to lose my job it would be terrible to be in debt. I guess I can wait a little longer...

I'd like to know what you do for a living where you can accumulate $21,000 in 6 to 9 months. Man, I am so outclassed on this forum.

I'm a software developer. I do make very good money but I don't think more than other professionals. I think that what allows me to save money this quickly is that I was born on a family with very very limited financial resources. I had really though times when growing up in Mexico. Somedays there would be money for food some days not. I have always being of the saving type when it comes to getting what I want. I once spend two years saving the few pesos I got here and there to buy a sony walkman I really wanted, three or four years to get my first set of weights, even walk 12 miles to highschool twice a day for months instead of taking the bus to be able to take my girlfriend out to the movies...

I gave all I had to my education got me a internships in the states for a company located in Austin, Texas and finally a job offer for my current job a couple of years later. So after all those hard times you give someone like me a very decent salary and we can do wonders with it. But it's because I don't mind not having things that other people dim necessary. My collegues for example say they never have enough money to do this or that and we most likely make the same amount of money. The trick is that I limit my self a lot and prioritize my expenses... and right now viper is very very high in my list. But I could live on a nicer place, I don't have a nice TV, have crapy cell phone with the cheapest plan, I don't even have a phone at home, I almost never go to restaurants, etc, etc...

Sorry for the long answer here but I felt just telling what I do for a living would not explain how's that I'm able to save money...

If you are only 1 year away from your "dream car" ... stay the course

Yes, the vette would probably be fun, but it isn't what you really want ... if you can't show some discipline for this short range goal, you're going to have problems down the road.

Actually when I decided that I would get my self a nice car as a reward for my hard work all I wanted was a C5 corvette convertible... I always liked the viper better and I could only imagine what it would be like to drive a car with a huge menazing V10 with enough torque to make most of his drivers get in trouble real fast... but it seemed like a nearly impossible and very impractical dream so I convinced my self the corvette was the way to go. Then one day I saw a viper in person and I was hook (pictures/video don't make the car justice). It makes any vette look ugly and common. And although I know it will most likely take the rest of my natural life to even come close to learn how to drive the car near to its limits, the idea of the power is still for some unexplicable reason very, very apealing.

I do see your point on having the discipline but there are things you probably don't know. I've been postponing getting what I want for a long time... I first needed to pay my scholarship credit for colleged off and make sure my mom would not miss a meal ever again. Make most of my wife dreams come true, etc. I think it's time for me to get something for my self after more than ten years of working hard, it was me who work his ass off (+ a huge amount of luck) to be where I'm today and I'm just getting desperate near the goal. All I'm saying is this hasn't really been a short term goal I just happen to be a year or two closer to the goal at this point.

Quit playing the stock market. Find your Viper. Put downpayment that you have left and finance the rest. Enjoy!

Yeah I wish I'd have not gotten desperate and try to make fast money. I guess I learned my lesson the hard way. I think I will stick to not doing financing though... the value of the car will keep decreasing while I make the rest of the money and I'm still young. It's not like I one year or two would make a huge difference when looking back to my life as an old man. It's just hard...

Save up and pay it all off at once. It took me over a year but I am so happy to have it paid for.

Will do and congrats... I hope one day not so far in the future I will be able to give someone else the same advice.

Agreed, DON'T deviate from your original plan. You will enjoy it even more, knowing the extra sacrifice it took. Financing a toy is foolish.

OK I just hope it's all worth it at the end.

what camfab said and i'll add, a C5 vette is going to be a big disappointment if you had your heart set on a viper. wait, save, buy.

and if you buy the C5, you will lose more money, making it harder to pay for the viper.

I'm not sure if I would say the C5 would be such a big disappointment. It's a nice car at a much cheaper price that has already depreciated as much as it will probably will in the short term. I think it will be worth almost as much two years from now. The corvette would make a very nice daily driver and has it's advantages (doesn't attract as much attention so I can leave unattended, better for DD, easier to drive, nice exhaust note, etc). However after reading all of the comments in here and not seeing a single one in favor of going with the corvette temporarily I'm leaning towards waiting just because I don't want to skip on the chance of having the oportunity to own what I think it's the most amazing car in the face of the earth. Some people would rather have a Ford GT, a Ferrari, or a lambo but for me the SRT10 is it, if priced equally I would still chose the viper and if you are like me, you know there are very few occasions in life where you can get what you really consider to be the best thing out there.

Tony,

As some have pointed out, there are 08s out there for less than you are suggesting is your target price. The true value of VCA "brotherhood" may help you reach your goals earlier than you expect. Keep an eye on our classifieds, autotrader, cars.com, ebay, etc.. and when you see something that looks interesting (be alert, as there are many scams... if it's too good to be true.....), find a local VCA member that is willing to give it a thorough inspection.

Also, keep in mind that if your anxiousness gets the best of you (and your wallet hasn't hit the mark yet), there are plenty of gen3 SRT-10 verts available with very low mileage, and obviously a significantly lower selling price (with all the uniqueness of a Viper... and with performance that will clearly outshine a C5... and even most C6 Corvettes).

I'm all for getting a good deal. Hopefully that will be the case but we'll see. Even though I'm still far away of getting my viper I do check all the sites you mentioned plus a few other almost daily. I've consider going with a gen 3 but my favorite color "venom red" was not available. My second favorite color didn't go to production until 2005 so they are very closely priced to gen4's so there is no point of getting it instead of the gen4 I would get a better transmission, bigger displacement and handful of extra horsepower. So unfortunately it doesn't really seem gen3s are an option.

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I've got an 08 Venom Red Convertible. Trust me. You will not regret waiting to get what you really want. Prices will likely come down in the next year as the new Gen V is introduced. Resist the temptation to settle.

Cincy

What a beautiful piece of art you got there. I get exited just from seeing that picture. I haven't feel that way about anything for a long long time. One day...hopefully sooner than later.

Those pangs of regret will hit big the first time you pull into a local car show and there are ten of your exact same Vette already there.
Part of the fun of having a Viper is the unique-ness. Doesn't exist with vettes. They are everywhere.

I know... That's not the main reason I want the viper. Although I have to agree the fact they are so uncommon give a certain degree of extra coolness. Their rarity sometimes will work against you though.

I'm like you in that I don't go into debt for items like cars, but if you can find cheap money out there, like a very low percentage loan that can be paid off early without penalty...then put what you have down and finance the rest.

I'd think about that possibility if I later decide I don't want to wait any longer or if an amazing deal presents before I save enough.

I assume your are either making pretty good money, or living for free. I would suggest financing the car, or buying a GTS :D.

So you played the stock market and lost a bit. You now know what your money is worth correct? Would you tie up your money for 3-5 years at 3 1/2% interestest? My guess is NO. I understand you don't like making payments, owing money, or paying interest but it just make sense in your case. If you finance the car and pay it off in a year like your set to do you will only end up paying around 1-3K in interest and finance fees anyways???? Your willing to loose by putting into the stock market with is almost a sure bet most do lose.

Just buy the dang car!!!


Funny... Unfortunately not living for free. I really never thought I would loss so much money in the stock market but this was my first time playing wall street... Ohh well at least I learned a few things...

buy it now, you'll enjoy it enough you dont care about writing that check every month.

It's not about writing the checks I've no problems with that. It's about security and piece of mind really. But I might consider going that route depending on the circumstances.

tony the cool man has to be selling drugs! i could never save 36 k in 10 years let alone in 10 months$$$$

:lmao: no not selling drugs at all... Just think if you can pay monthly to pay your debt plus interest you could be able to save the money as well. Saving is just not as easy for everyone.

bite the bullet and buy the Viper. If you can save so much money for a hobby, you can do the same thing with a car note, just pay it off in 9 months like you planned.

Right just there is the unknown future factor when you go that route. But who knows I might do it under certain circumstances.




Wow I really got tired of replying, I guess English not being my primary language makes it harder. Thanks to everyone for your points of view. Honestly I'm surprised there was not a single comment of favor of getting the corvette while I make enough money I didn't thought it was such a bad idea. I was also surprised so many people in here were amazed by my confidence in my ability to save money I mean people in here own vipers. I'm pretty sure many people in here make a lot more money than I do. But I really appreciate everyone for taking the time to tell me their opinions, as in any situation third party perspective does help make better decisions. I've decided to wait and continue saving. Hopefully it will all be worth at the end.
 

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The cost of money is cheap right now. If you keep playing the Wall Street Casino you may wind up driving a Yugo. Depending on where you live the good weather is running out so waiting may not be a bad idea. It seems like a lot of folks including myself are waiting for the new car thinking that Gen4 prices will drop but that tells me that demand will still be pretty high and the price drop may not be significant. If you can accumulate money as fast as you say then you have a high disposable income and a small car payment with $30k down shouldn't be a big deal. You'll have your dream car for the same monthly payment that some folks pay to drive an Altima. Seems like 2008's that have daily driver type mileage are selling just over $50k now. Forget the Vette.
 

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OK...I'll play Devil's Advocate...
Tony Cool, you make a good point, the C5 vert won't depreciate as much anymore, especially if you get it for just 12 months, drive it as your DD, then upgrade to the Gen IV once the Gen V's come out....at that point, the Gen IV's should drop in price even more. The prices should be cheaper and what you have saved in the meantime along with your C5's residual value at the end of the next 12 months, you could get into your Gen IV...basically having your cake and eating it too as opposed to being toyless till you get enough cash scraped together.
 

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You have the sense to save your money and not have payments yet you are indecisive. In contrast, I spend money as soon as I get it and know exactly what I want. Strange how life is.

I know that doesn't help much.
 

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Plunking down only 10% to 20% cash on a car, then financing the rest is not where most would want to be. If you are putting down $36K or $37K and financing only $20K, your payments over say 5 years are going to be very small. Those that express, just write a check for this or that, 100% cash for everything are very fortunate. That is not the real world of most people's situations, but to each their own. The finance charges are not going to be large by any stretch. Most Credit Unions, etc. are in the 2.99% range for a 60 month loan like that. 2.99% is nothing.

I say stop denying yourself any further and finance the rest, thus enjoying your dream now. If you settle for the car you really don't want, you will regret it. My motto is that you never have regrets in life. Some financing is a part of life and there are rules you can follow to keep you out of trouble or getting in too deep, even when having to finance things. Be smart and you will be fine. If you have the self control to save that kind of money in that period, then you will have the self control to simply pay off your small loan. Calculations can be run all over the map and numbers be manipulated to make any scenerio work out to your desired situation.

Good luck in your search, and stop denying yourself your dream already. Wall Street is just not a way a safe way to make money. In fact, this 401K fraud we have thrown on us is about as criminal as it gets. Yes I contribute to it, but the true profits are going in someone elses pockets. Historical BS numbers they have been trying to cram down our throat and long term stability of growth, etc. are complete BS. Work hard and make money the old fashion way, through hard work and blood, sweat and tears. Work hard and play hard. Now go grab life by the horns. Sorry that is the best pep talk I could come up with on short notice.
 

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If you really want the car now then buy the Viper with a loan and just prepay the principal as opposed to saving while waiting to get a car. Interests rates are so low that the cost for the privilege of using the bank's money is negligible with your income. If interest rates were 9% or even 5% this would be a different discussion. Start looking for the car you really want and don't hesitate when you see it. The only way you could lose is gambling in the market. If you buy the vette then put some Prozac money aside for the first time you see the Viper you could have had.
 

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Those that express, just write a check for this or that, 100% cash for everything are very fortunate. That is not the real world of most people's situations, but to each their own.

+1. The income of Viper owners is all over the map. Some can afford to buy small countries, some live paycheck to paycheck. I'd say put down a nice down payment and finance the rest. You never know what tomorrow holds, enjoy life while you can! I bought my car when I was 23. Put down 25% IIRC and financed the rest. Did I pay some interest? Yes. Was it worth it? Yes. Paid the car off early and have enjoyed every mile of the ride! I'm not married, no kids, don't smoke and no drugs. I decided I owed myself for having such a boring life :D
 

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Below is my post in another thread, just to put some numbers together. I commend you on not wanting to go into debt for a toy. Like I said earlier, I'm the same way and paid cash for my Viper, but something you said above not wanting to be in debt if you lost your job, brings this point in more in favor to some extent. If you lost your job, would you rather have a lot of cash on hand with a car payment to take care of, or much less cash on hand and a car you HAD to sell right away? Again, I am NOT questioning your thoughts on saving and buying outright, but money is just so damn cheap right now, it's unbelievable.

PedFed has something like 2% finiancing for 60 or 72 months.
Let's say you financed $40k over 60 months at 2%. Your payment would be around $700/month and even if you didn't pay the car off early, your total interest charges over the whole 60 months is less than $2,100.
If you bought the C5, even though it's had most of it's depreciation, you would still lose more than $2,100 by the time you count your sales tax paid and any loss you would take on re-selling it. Not to mention fixing something or replacing the tires, clutch, etc.

Just my $.02
 

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Here's the scenario....say you've just detailed the vette and driving down the road on a nice weekend. Your're feeling good and looking smooth. All of a sudden a Viper comes slithering down the road and the driver gives you as much attention as a Ford Focus. Like most vette drivers, you'll pretend you're fixated on driving but secretly regretting not being the other driver.

Whatever you decide, buy the Viper. It's truly an amazing machine and you can have fun making vette owners tremble.
 

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Here you go:
Pen Fed- (who I use for car/boat) 60 months, used car, 2.49%- borrow $25,000- payment of $443 a month-
you have $30K cash plus $25K borrowed: $55K- = 2008 Viper- Car now -enjoy now.
You say you pull in $1800 a month in money for a car (that you save each month) Apply all $1800 towards payment
and you should be paid off in a litttle over a year- 15 or so months - and very little interest costs
why not enjoy now ?
 
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