SnakeEye
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The Beast has come alive...****** dyno, tuning to come.
A BIG thanks to Bill @VOS, Andy @GPD, and Bryan @BP!
Paxton SuperCharger Euphoria - ****** Dyno Results!
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The Beast has come alive...****** dyno, tuning to come.
A BIG thanks to Bill @VOS, Andy @GPD, and Bryan @BP!
Kelly06
Viper Owner
Wow---especially with kit only 
I gotta get one.
I gotta get one.SnakeEye
Viper Owner
... and a Corsa Track System too!
VIPER D
Viper Owner
Ah yes. Forgot about that one. I'm sure that helped make more HP.
I feel like bill is cheating on me. I thought that he was all mine.... Bill we need to talk.
also congrats to those great #'s paxton brother
vd..
We just got done installing a Paxton System for stock sale in a 05 Black SRT-10 and we got very similar numbers. I will try and get the figures on Monday, and post, but they are seem to be getting nice numbers with the unit only - we did have the pieces chromed though.
Bill Pemberton
Woodhouse Viper
Bill Pemberton
Woodhouse Viper
Y2K5SRT
Enthusiast
Sounds like you need to post numbers AND pictures! Feel free to send them to me and I will get them on here for you...
VIPER D
Viper Owner
what pieces did you get cromed?
vd..
Just the supercharger and the intake. We had seen the unpolished versions, and just figured it was worth the extra expense to dress it up under the hood. I will get some pictures and post them on Monday.
Larry Macedo
Enthusiast
Looking at the midrange A/F and how fat it looks to be, a small spark plug gap change can make that portion of the graph lean out. Unless of course the gap has already been addressed. The red line in the A/F graph shows no A/F sample was taken during that particular run. Thought I'd throw that in for those that have never witnessed a graph before.
Larry Macedo
Enthusiast
After observing the graph again, it appears to be a bit lean toward the 6K rpm mark. We have not installed a new SRT kit yet, although I would imagine the fuel system is close to that of the Gen2 kit?
Wow, Larry you have an eye. Course, guess that's why yous a mechanic and I jest sells da stuff --- good call!!!
Larry Macedo
Enthusiast
Hello Bill,
Apologies for the delay in getting back with you, Sir, and thanks again for taking care of my friends!
Apologies for the delay in getting back with you, Sir, and thanks again for taking care of my friends!
Larry Macedo
Enthusiast
Does the Corsa Track System utilize the stock catalyst or a higher flowing catalyst? I have a client interested in this system and he won't purchase a system that resonates, so I would need to know that info to.
The sound of the Corsa system that utilizes the factory crossover is good, but does it exhibit interior heating like the stock system?
Apologies for all the questions!
The sound of the Corsa system that utilizes the factory crossover is good, but does it exhibit interior heating like the stock system?
Apologies for all the questions!
VIPER D
Viper Owner
so are they chrome or pohished?
thanks
vd..
SnakeEye
Viper Owner
Thanks for the well wishes folks!
Here's a pic of how things look under the hood.
Driving the SRT-10 has now become an extreme sport.
Here's a pic of how things look under the hood.
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Driving the SRT-10 has now become an extreme sport.
Franko
Enthusiast
Why did West Coast viper and DC Performance get between 600-625rwhp on a stock set up as well? Whats the difference?
Paul Hawker
Enthusiast
Depends on your definition of stock. The Corsa track exhaust is good for about 50 extra HP. The different dyno's have different results also.
I have my car in to DC Performance now. Very excited to see how she runs after the mods.
"In thrust....We Trust!"
I have my car in to DC Performance now. Very excited to see how she runs after the mods.
"In thrust....We Trust!"
VIPER D
Viper Owner
50 extra HP ???????????
headers don't give that on a gen 3
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Hi Paul,
I'm currently considering the Paxton kit as well. FYI, on my car I have installed both the Corsa Track and headers, and promptly removed the Corsa Track due to the VOLUME. If the Corsa Track gives 5 rwhp, that's about it.
Viper D,
The B&B step headers give at least 40 rwhp on a Gen III. With cats and exhaust, it's 50 rwhp on my car.
The dyno sheet I got from DC Performance (sales material) showed 650 peak rwhp at 6000 rpm on a Gen III, very close to the 665 shown above and on different dynos with different conditions will give you, yes, slightly different results.
These cars all seem to be a bit different from the factory, and different in the way that they respond to mods. I'm told that most new Gen III's dyno at 430 rwhp, stock. Mine dynoed at 445 rwhp with 3.55's. Add 10 or 15 for the gears and 455 or 460 stock. I have heard of others that dynoed 450 rwhp and up, stock. Interestingly, my car with the minor mods in my signature, dynos right with the paxton equipped car shown above up to 4000 rpm, both rwhp and rwtq, then the superhcharged car pulls away. Heads, cam and valve train work would help this engine a bunch.
I look forward to installing the new Paxton kit, but I'm short on traction now, as most of us are. Any suggestions? This will be our next challenge. The new BFG street slicks aren't made in 19 inches yet, but I'd like to stick with 19's or even go to 20's. Any wheel / tire ideas for the cars adding Paxtons?
I'm currently considering the Paxton kit as well. FYI, on my car I have installed both the Corsa Track and headers, and promptly removed the Corsa Track due to the VOLUME. If the Corsa Track gives 5 rwhp, that's about it.
Viper D,
The B&B step headers give at least 40 rwhp on a Gen III. With cats and exhaust, it's 50 rwhp on my car.
The dyno sheet I got from DC Performance (sales material) showed 650 peak rwhp at 6000 rpm on a Gen III, very close to the 665 shown above and on different dynos with different conditions will give you, yes, slightly different results.
These cars all seem to be a bit different from the factory, and different in the way that they respond to mods. I'm told that most new Gen III's dyno at 430 rwhp, stock. Mine dynoed at 445 rwhp with 3.55's. Add 10 or 15 for the gears and 455 or 460 stock. I have heard of others that dynoed 450 rwhp and up, stock. Interestingly, my car with the minor mods in my signature, dynos right with the paxton equipped car shown above up to 4000 rpm, both rwhp and rwtq, then the superhcharged car pulls away. Heads, cam and valve train work would help this engine a bunch.
I look forward to installing the new Paxton kit, but I'm short on traction now, as most of us are. Any suggestions? This will be our next challenge. The new BFG street slicks aren't made in 19 inches yet, but I'd like to stick with 19's or even go to 20's. Any wheel / tire ideas for the cars adding Paxtons?
Heh, SnakeEye, thanks for the pics, it looks just like ours, and now I don't have to post our photos. Polished does look great, and though it bumps the cost just a little, I personally, really like the look!
SnakeEye
Viper Owner
If you had contacted Corsa and mentioned that you were considering their Track system with headers they would have informed you that it wasn't sound engineered or optimized for running with headers. It was specifically tuned using the stock manifolds. As a side note, Corsa did the sound engineering for comp coupe as well.
If you've got a Paxton installed it's more like 35-40 rwhp. FI does make a difference in the gains as the factory crossover is rather restrictive for the application. Another benefit to installing a Track system is the significant in-cabin heat reduction and sills that can actually be touched after the car has reached operating temps.
That's wonderful but what's your $$$ investment for this gain and what about the issue of passing emissions without the cats. Who wants that hassle.
And???
Please stipulate your sources that indicate that a small gear change would have this effect--Thx.
Let's see the dyno as this seems somewhat improbable.
Well sure it would and with your other bolt-ons you'd probably have spent more $$$ than for a what you would have for a Paxton and Corsa set-up and yet still probably come up short on the rwhp.
Try modulating your right foot.
Maybe non-runflats might work better for you.
Oh, and thanks for your attempted hijacking of my thread. Ever think of starting your own...nah, it doesn't appear so.
Cheers.
SnakeEye
Viper Owner
Glad I could be of assitance.
And yes, the polished does look great...even better in person.
VIPER D
Viper Owner
I really don't buy that for 1 min. as far as the cars go i don't think it the car that have different hp's #s i think its the way the dyno's are twaeked. (also brands) so far to date there has not been 1 proven dyno sheet to support those types of gains. for headers on gen 3 not 2 or 1.
vd..
Mamba man steve
Enthusiast
i agree that no headers make 40 or 50 hp. gains in 3 vipers the best i have made in a gen III was 25 hp. and 20lbs. torque. i am waiting to see dan's # before i put on a supercharger. it is moot i can't hold the power i have now to the ground, maybe someone will come out with drag radials.
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Hey Snake Eye,
Feeling particularly feisty last night, eh?
1) No, I did not contact Corsa, but trusted a local tuner with many years of experience. Next time ......
2) Don't have the Paxton installed yet, so 5 rwhp it is for the Corsa Track on a stocker. Still don't believe it's 50 rwhp with a Paxton, or is it just 50 hp? Wonder what the B & B's will make if the Corsa's make 50?
3) Adding the B & B's, dollars aren't the issue, and if you'd checked my signature before you popped off, you would have seen that I kept two cats and have no smog issues.
4) Small gear change? 3.07 to 3.55? Sean Roe's post several months ago. Sean stated that the gear change produces a "dyno only" 10 to 15 rwhp decline on paper. Check the archives, 3.07 vs 3.55. I started that post. But starting a thread never occured to me.
5) Just a comment, heads and cam would help. Do you disagree? Didn't say anything about money.
6) I try to "modulate my right foot", but occasionally I fail.
7) I'm working on the non runflat idea.
8) Not trying to hijack "your thread". A bit sensitive are we?
Viper D,
Call John Horton at West Coast Viper about the B & B header gains. He should have records of my dyno runs and others. These gains are real. And yeah, not are dyno's are created equal.
Good thing none of us are passionate about our Vipers!
Feeling particularly feisty last night, eh?
1) No, I did not contact Corsa, but trusted a local tuner with many years of experience. Next time ......
2) Don't have the Paxton installed yet, so 5 rwhp it is for the Corsa Track on a stocker. Still don't believe it's 50 rwhp with a Paxton, or is it just 50 hp? Wonder what the B & B's will make if the Corsa's make 50?
3) Adding the B & B's, dollars aren't the issue, and if you'd checked my signature before you popped off, you would have seen that I kept two cats and have no smog issues.
4) Small gear change? 3.07 to 3.55? Sean Roe's post several months ago. Sean stated that the gear change produces a "dyno only" 10 to 15 rwhp decline on paper. Check the archives, 3.07 vs 3.55. I started that post. But starting a thread never occured to me.
5) Just a comment, heads and cam would help. Do you disagree? Didn't say anything about money.
6) I try to "modulate my right foot", but occasionally I fail.
7) I'm working on the non runflat idea.
8) Not trying to hijack "your thread". A bit sensitive are we?
Viper D,
Call John Horton at West Coast Viper about the B & B header gains. He should have records of my dyno runs and others. These gains are real. And yeah, not are dyno's are created equal.
Good thing none of us are passionate about our Vipers!
SnakeEye
Viper Owner
Nah...don't know whatever gave you that crazy idea.
Why not check a source or two and find out and/or verify the facts--first.
According to Corsa, it's more like 15rwhp and 20lbs/tq on a stocker.
No one suggested an extra 50rwhp with a Paxton, only a measly 35-40rwhp.
If you're curious on how B&B's would do, why not pick-up the phone and call 'em.
Great...so you felt the need to make it known that dollars aren't an issue for you...well for most, value is always in favor.
3.55 gearing is a great torque multiplier even at the slight risk of a small parastatic hp loss. Maybe you should have considered starting another thread on this rather than attempting to hijack someone else’s. I think this has already been pointed out to you.
Better breathing usually does help to produce more horsepower...whether it's on the intake or the exhaust side, so why not.
Don't we all, but then most understand the consequences of not doing so as well. You asked on how to hook better and modulation and non-runflats are a good start.
Yeah...good idea.
So be in denial...it's got nothing to do with sensitivity and much to do with showing a little respect/courtesy to the person who started the thread. Btw now that we have things straightened out, it's okay, we can move on. No hard feelings this way man.
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